Imagine you are George Zimmerman

[EL PRESIDENTE]

George Zimmerman: registered democrat. there goes the NRA lovin, gun totin' cracka azz cracka inbred republican bible thumper theory out the window.

http://freebeacon.com/registered-dem-killed-trayvon/

The individual at the center of the controversial Trayvon Martin shooting is a registered Democrat.

George Michael Zimmerman, born Oct. 5, 1983, registered as a Democrat in Seminole County, Fla., in August 2002, according to state voter registration documents.

It is unclear whether he voted for President Barack Obama in 2008.

Some in the media have sought to blame Republican politicians and conservative activists for Martin’s death.

“[Republican politicians] reinforce and validate old stereotypes that associate the poor and welfare as criminal behavior with African-Americans and people of color, calling us lazy, undeserving recipients of public assistance. In the case of Trayvon, those festering stereotypes had lethal consequences,” said MSNBC political analyst and Democratic fundraiser Karen Finney.

According to the document, Zimmerman’s race is officially listed as Hispanic. The son of a white father and Peruvian mother, he has been described as a “white Hispanic” in most media reports.

 

[porkchopexpress]

George Zimmerman: registered democrat. there goes the NRA lovin, gun totin' cracka azz cracka inbred republican bible thumper theory out the window.

http://freebeacon.com/registered-dem-killed-trayvon/

It doesn't matter. It is the police's action, or lack there of, that is the real issue. They have facts that he is paranoid (something like 40 911 calls), that he was warned not to follow and that he killed an unarmed minor. Anything else is just his word, which shouldn't be taken as gospel since if guilty he has plenty of reason to lie. I can guarantee if the victim was white and the shooter was black, he would have been arrested, or at least taken to the police station for questioning. That is where the outrage is coming from.

 

[Masbee]

One would think that the fucking President would actually want to know what the police reports said before stoking the flames of a race riot before slinking off to South Korea for yet another "we're sorry that we've been successful as a nation" conference.

Moral of the story. Don't attack somebody, even if they're following you, because you never know if they may have a gun. Trayvon should have dialed 911 instead of attacking Zimmerman.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/03/26/MN0R1NQC9D.DTL

Yeah, lame idea.

Black men in American do not trust the police. And for good historical and continuing reasons.

Add in typical teenage rebellion to the mix of this punky kid, and your idea is worthless.

911 was already on the phone. 911 had already dispatched the police. 911 had already told Zimmerman to stop pursuit.

 

[PapaG]

Maybe Zimmerman is innocent, maybe he's guilty. The basic fact that the kid was shot and killed demands an arrest and it's the courts' place to determine guilt/innocence and any penalty.

It can't be any simpler or obvious than that.

He was questioned, and a photo was taken of him

Why bother with the legal system when we can just have the President of the USA advocated mob justice?

 

[TomBoerwinkle#1]

If you see suspicious behavior, you can call 911.

And there was no job. Apparently he was going to the store, according to his testimony, and happened to have his legal firearm on him.

The last 8 words in your last sentence make me give a face palm to The Constitution and the way the 2nd Amendment has been interpreted.

Don't get me wrong -- I am generally a fan of The Constitution but the 2nd Amendment was poorly drafted, inserted in The Bill of Rights with little, if any, debate and related to times when men were called to duty and expected to bring their own rifle -- a point really made moot by the adoption of a standing army, which the Founding Fathers opposed. To suggest that organized militias are to prevent US tyranny is in a way saying the 2nd Amendment encourages sedition. Clearly, that isn't the state of the law either.

Despite the current conservative's recent plurality decisions, there is by plain language (as plain as the gnarled syntax of the Amendment can be) that the right to bear arms wasn't meant to allow people to carry around guns "just in case" and shoot first, ask questions later (more applicable to the Home Castle firearm laws that Yee-Haw, although both share a great deal of similarity).

I firmly believe that given the domestic violence killings, gang killings, suicide by gun, armed robbery, accidental shooting by adults and children, "going postal" incidents like Columbine and so forth, that amendment has done far more harm than good. guns don't kill people. People with guns kill people (yeah, you can stab somebody or something but if you are carrying a gun its just quicker and easier and harder to defend against).

The Constitution is and always has been a work in progress. That same document allowed for slavery, counted slaves as 3/5 of a person for counting representatives, didn't allow women to vote, established and abolished prohibition, didn't apply the Bill of Rights to the States until the 14th Amendment Due Process clause,etc. I'm not a fan of the 2nd Amendment. I'd like to take Charlton Heston's gun out of his cold dead hands and ram it up his cold, dead ass.


Oh, and registering as a democrat doesn't necessarily exclude one from being a dumb-ass cracker.
Anyhoo -- that's what I think.

 

[PapaG]

Yeah, lame idea.

Black men in American do not trust the police. And for good historical and continuing reasons.

Add in typical teenage rebellion to the mix of this punky kid, and your idea is worthless.

911 was already on the phone. 911 had already dispatched the police. 911 had already told Zimmerman to stop pursuit.

Zimmerman did stop pursuit. According to witness, Martin punched Zimmerman in the face and started beating his head against he sidewalk.

Bad move. It sucks, but everything points to self-defense, and the President is a fucking moron for again inflaming racial tensions.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

It doesn't matter. It is the police's action, or lack there of, that is the real issue. They have facts that he is paranoid (something like 40 911 calls), that he was warned not to follow and that he killed an unarmed minor. Anything else is just his word, which shouldn't be taken as gospel since if guilty he has plenty of reason to lie. I can guarantee if the victim was white and the shooter was black, he would have been arrested, or at least taken to the police station for questioning. That is where the outrage is coming from.

What lack of police action are you referring to specifically? The entire incident likely took place in less than a few minutes. There was no real evidence to arrest Zimmerman, like I said, you can't arrest or detain someone without charges. The fact that he called 911 a bunch of times isn't relevant. The fact that a 911 operator suggested he not follow a suspicious person is irrelevant. All that is relevant is who initiated the physical confrontation as it is the incident in question in which Martin was shot, and according to Zimmerman, it was Treyvon Martin who attacked him after Martin had confronted him (Zimmerman claims to have lost Zimmerman and was walking back to his car).

The police can't just go around arresting people without evidence based on 911 records they don't have at that time.

They got a statement from him, they did not close their investigation. What else are you looking for here? You want the police to arrest Martin without any charges or evidence against him, just the fact that someone was killed during a confrontation?

 

[PapaG]

It doesn't matter. It is the police's action, or lack there of, that is the real issue. They have facts that he is paranoid (something like 40 911 calls), that he was warned not to follow and that he killed an unarmed minor. Anything else is just his word, which shouldn't be taken as gospel since if guilty he has plenty of reason to lie. I can guarantee if the victim was white and the shooter was black, he would have been arrested, or at least taken to the police station for questioning. That is where the outrage is coming from.

Zimmerman isn't white, and he was questioned by the police. Police even got statements from eyewitnesses.

I really wish people would actually read up on this case before giving ignorant opinions. It serves nothing but to further divide people, which I suppose was Barry Obama's plan, anyhow.

 

[Masbee]

According to Zimmerman's account, he had lost track of Martin, who then re-engaged him.

You need to realize something very important.

Zimmerman admitted to the police to shooting and killing an unarmed man.

That is possibly murder. In the U.S. we lock people up for a VERY VERY long time compared to other countries for the same crimes.

Zimmerman has every motivation in the world to claim he acted in self-defense.

He could be telling the truth. But, it is the job of the police in an investigation like this to assume every word that comes out of his mouth is a lie.

 

[Masbee]

George Zimmerman: registered democrat. there goes the NRA lovin, gun totin' cracka azz cracka inbred republican bible thumper theory out the window.

http://freebeacon.com/registered-dem-killed-trayvon/

Except no one in this thread was claiming any of this crap.

Strawman much?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

You need to realize something very important.

Zimmerman admitted to the police to shooting and killing an unarmed man.

That is possibly murder. In the U.S. we lock people up for a VERY VERY long time compared to other countries for the same crimes.

Zimmerman has every motivation in the world to claim he acted in self-defense.

He could be telling the truth. But, it is the job of the police in an investigation like this to assume every word that comes out of his mouth is a lie.

So in your America, you are guilty until proven innocent?

fantastic.

 

[Masbee]

Zimmerman did stop pursuit. According to witness, Martin punched Zimmerman in the face and started beating his head against he sidewalk.

Bad move. It sucks, but everything points to self-defense, and the President is a fucking moron for again inflaming racial tensions.

If Zimmerman stopped the pursuit how did they interact?

 

[PapaG]

You need to realize something very important.

Zimmerman admitted to the police to shooting and killing an unarmed man.

That is possibly murder. In the U.S. we lock people up for a VERY VERY long time compared to other countries for the same crimes.

Zimmerman has every motivation in the world to claim he acted in self-defense.

He could be telling the truth. But, it is the job of the police in an investigation like this to assume every word that comes out of his mouth is a lie.

What motivation do the eyewitness have to lie to the police?

The police questioned Zimmerman, they took witness statements, and thought they didn't have enough to charge him with anything at the time.

I guess a public hanging of the guy would satisfy the mob? I don't even really care about this case, other than the dipshit President making it a national issue in order to try and rally his own base. Problem is, it turns out Zimmerman is a member of his base as well.

 

[Masbee]

So in your America, you are guilty until proven innocent?

fantastic.

Do you even know what you are talking about?

The police don't need to throw him in jail to cooraborate his story.

 

[PapaG]

If Zimmerman stopped the pursuit how did they interact?

Zimmerman and a witness say Martin started following Zimmerman, and initiated a physical altercation.

It's all out there for public consumption. Read up on the police report.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Do you even know what you are talking about?

The police don't need to throw him in jail to cooraborate his story.

You said it yourself. The police have to assume everything he says is a lie? That is just absurd.

What evidence to the contrary was available? They took his statement, you can't arrest someone without any charges. You can't detain without probable cause. I see nothing, even with all this media coverage to provide this basis of probable cause. So what do you want then, an infinite detention until they are able to get charges available?

People are basically advocating a witch hunt, but rather than "she's a witch" its become "he's a racist".

 

[Masbee]

Zimmerman did stop pursuit. According to witness, Martin punched Zimmerman in the face and started beating his head against he sidewalk.

Bad move. It sucks, but everything points to self-defense, and the President is a fucking moron for again inflaming racial tensions.

The leaked police report says they cannot account for 1 minute of Zimmerman's activity just prior to the altercation.

 

[PapaG]

Do you even know what you are talking about?

The police don't need to throw him in jail to cooraborate his story.

His story has been corroborated by at least one other witness, plus someone else who was watching from their porch. Zimmerman's story matched what the witnesses told the police.

I'm not sure what else you want the cops to do. Sometimes, you get shot and killed when you try to beat the shit out of somebody, even if you felt they had it coming. It's a tragedy, but all information points to it being self-defense, regardless of Zimmerman walking around like King Shit because he was packing a gun.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

"hey george, how are ya, havent responded to one of your frantic calls for almost a week!"

"oh not too bad carl....about this dead guy..."

"self defense?"

"ummm yes!"

"slam dunk, lets grab a beer"

 

[PapaG]

The leaked police report says they cannot account for 1 minute of Zimmerman's activity just prior to the altercation.

OK. So what? What does that mean to you? Should they assume that Zimmerman did something bad in that minute, and charge him based on a guess?

 

[Masbee]

You said it yourself. The police have to assume everything he says is a lie? That is just absurd.

What evidence to the contrary was available? They took his statement, you can't arrest someone without any charges. You can't detain without probable cause. I see nothing, even with all this media coverage to provide this basis of probable cause.

People are basically advocating a witch hunt, but rather than "she's a witch" its become "he's a racist".

This post is so absurd, I refuse to respond. Get a grip.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

This post is so absurd, I refuse to respond. Get a grip.

Of course, because you can't respond. You are advocating infinite detention without any charges filed or evidence to contradict Zimmerman's statements. I don't know what kind of society you want, but you clearly don't seem to want one based on law and order, but rather on conjecture and rush to judgement.

 

[Masbee]

His story has been corroborated by at least one other witness, plus someone else who was watching from their porch. Zimmerman's story matched what the witnesses told the police.

I'm not sure what else you want the cops to do. Sometimes, you get shot and killed when you try to beat the shit out of somebody, even if you felt they had it coming. It's a tragedy, but all information points to it being self-defense, regardless of Zimmerman walking around like King Shit because he was packing a gun.

It is not the job of the police to be a JURY.

Fuck people. Someone died.

Police perform a full and complete investigation. (they did not).

DA reviews and sends to grand jury. (they did not - and DA of that county said, they don't use Grand Juries, they decide on their own)

Grand Jury decides if to indict or not.

Process.

It is called Law and Order.

If you don't follow process. If you shortcut the process because you want power or are lazy or racist or whatever reason, don't be surprised if people flip out once in a while.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

i mean best case scenario for zimmerman, is that he got his ass beat by a 17 year old? what a fucking pussy

 

[PapaG]

Of course, because you can't respond. You are advocating infinite detention without any charges filed or evidence to contradict Zimmerman's statements. I don't know what kind of society you want, but you clearly don't seem to want one based on law and order, but rather on conjecture and rush to judgement.

Yes, your well-reasoned post, based on available information, is absurd!!!

There is a minute where the cops don't know exactly what Zimmerman was doing! That's when the Hispanic dude put on his KKK hood and started beating poor young Trayvon!

 

[Masbee]

Of course, because you can't respond. You are advocating infinite detention without any charges filed or evidence to contradict Zimmerman's statements. I don't know what kind of society you want, but you clearly don't seem to want one based on law and order, but rather on conjecture and rush to judgement.

The rush to judgement had already occured by the police.

You are just spouting words without any understanding of what they really mean.

 

[PapaG]

It is not the job of the police to be a JURY.

Fuck people. Someone died.

Police perform a full and complete investigation. (they did not).

DA reviews and sends to grand jury. (they did not - and DA of that county said, they don't use Grand Juries, they decide on their own)

Grand Jury decides if to indict or not.

Process.

It is called Law and Order.

If you don't follow process. If you shortcut the process because you want power or are lazy or racist or whatever reason, don't be surprised if people flip out once in a while.

An absurd post, and completely naive as to how the legal process works. Have you heard of probable cause? What are you going to charge Zimmerman with, based on the available statements and witness testimony? What is the DA going to tell a grand jury, based on the available police reports?

 

[PapaG]

The rush to judgement had already occured by the police.

You are just spouting words without any understanding of what they really mean.

LOL

Look in a mirror.

 

[Masbee]

OK. So what? What does that mean to you? Should they assume that Zimmerman did something bad in that minute, and charge him based on a guess?

I don't give a shit about the minute.

You are the one who claimed perfect knowledge of Zimmerman's actions - when in reality - you don't know shit.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

The rush to judgement had already occured by the police.

You are just spouting words without any understanding of what they really mean.

How so? They did not close their investigation.

Do you mean because they did not arrest or detain Zimmerman without evidence, this is their rush to judgement? Or is it that they did not assume Zimmerman was lying despite no other information to contradict his recollection of events? Is that the rush to judgement by the police?