Injury Excuse Propaganda

[e_blazer]

So Neil built a team so fragile (spending league high $147 mil) that if the team didn’t have perfect health, the Dame/CJ pairing who is HEALTHY and getting 70-85 mil contact extensions into their 30’s isn’t good enough to lead a the team to a respectable record. The wind blows the wrong way and everything falls apart... nice explanation.

You seem to either not read my posts or you just ignore them since you never really respond to the points I make. I don't see any point in continuing the conversation.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I don’t have multiple accounts bro. I don’t know who you think I am. And please don’t act like you are my father telling me how to post. I will continue to respond if I disagree with something... even if my message is repetitive.

Wait. You can tell me to put you on ignore, but I cant give you advise on how to come off better around here? GTFO, Mr. double standard.

Second if you are denying this being a new account and you haven't had old ones here? I never said multiple, like multiple at once. you get banned then create a new one. one at a time, but one never lasts long. If you are denying that, well,... You can deal with your maker on that one.

Just like when I tried to be a gentle troll around here everyone knew who I was when I did create a new account. You cant hide your behavior man. It stands out. If you are going to deny this then just assume you have zero credibility here cause no one is going to buy that crap.

Anyhoe. Movin on. You are proving not worth the attempt at a convo. Its just circles.

 

[Orion Bailey]

You seem to either not read my posts or you just ignore them since you never really respond to the points I make. I don't see any point in continuing the conversation.

Maybe with his next moniker he will show some learnt.

 

[Tince]

Didn't Denver have a million injuries last season, but managed to get the 2nd seed before bending the knee to the mighty Blazers? At some point i think they were missing three starters, Barton, Harris and Millsap, but kept winning.
If your three best players remain healthy you should be able to be competitive, we are not competitive.

I think 10 of Denvers top 11 players played over 50 games. 8 out of 11 played over 70 games. Portland will miss 3 of their top 6 players for the majority of the season. Denver was more healthy in the playoffs than we were last year.

You think Whiteside is better than Nurk was last year?

 

[GDiama]

I think 10 of Denvers top 11 players played over 50 games. 8 out of 11 played over 70 games. Portland will miss 3 of their top 6 players for the majority of the season. Denver was more healthy in the playoffs than we were last year.

You think Whiteside is better than Nurk was last year?

I don't think Hassan is better Nurk, but many in here think he is. In any case this injury was taken care of and everybody was fine with it i believe. We thought its a great addition till Nurk returns.
Yes maybe Portland starters end up missing more games, BUT Denver finished 2nd and was there all the way. We are 10th. It is not close. Tanking/garbage teams have same record with us.

 

[TBpup]

2/5ths of your starting lineup going down for the season is a bit more than the wind blowing the wrong way. its a fucking tornado that turned directions and plowed through your house. No one is going to plan for that. come on now....

2/5ths of your starting line up when it is Dame/CJ you lose is the f***ing tornado it seems to me. Yes, losing Collins/Hood is bad, but they were #4 and #5 out of the starters. Toronto lost the best 2-way player in the league from last years team and also another starter in Green. They are still in a place to have HCA in the East if the Playoffs started today. THAT is prospering through a real tornado IMO.

 

[wizenheimer]

You think Whiteside is better than Nurk was last year?

probably not, but the gap between them is not that big. Certainly not big enough to turn a 14-21 record into a winning one

I mean, if it was Nurkic who had played 32 of 35 games, but everything else was the same, injuries, crappy bench, all of it, I think Portland would still have a losing record and look like something was wrong a lot of nights. It might not be 'as wrong' as with Whiteside, but frankly, the C trade-off between Nurkic and Whiteside is the least of Portland's problems right now.

 

[e_blazer]

probably not, but the gap between them is not that big. Certainly not big enough to turn a 14-21 record into a winning one

I mean, if it was Nurkic who had played 32 of 35 games, but everything else was the same, injuries, crappy bench, all of it, I think Portland would still have a losing record and look like something was wrong a lot of nights. It might not be 'as wrong' as with Whiteside, but frankly, the C trade-off between Nurkic and Whiteside is the least of Portland's problems right now.

Yeah, but a center rotation of Hassan and Nurk probably has a considerable impact on the record over Hassan and Tolliver/Brown.

 

[oldfisherman]

OK, my turn to throw some stats around.

My favorite stat is, how many wins do we have, or would we have.

This season though 35 games
14W-21L, for 7 games below 500
Last seasons roster 35 games
20W-15L, for 5 games above 500

So if this seasons roster was healthy, would it have won 6 more games and be equal to last seasons roster at this same time?

I believe with a healthy Zach, Skal & Hood, 6 more wins is a reasonable expectation.

So if healthy, this roster is as good as last seasons? Well maybe not. One more twist to consider.

The roster last season ended with positive momentum and chemistry, well, except for the last series.

It is also reasonable to expect last seasons roster to carry over some of the chemistry and momentum. Resulting in a better than 20W-15L start.

So what do all these stats tell us? Not one damn thing except a whole lot of nothing happened last off season. We are really not much better or worse than last season. More important, not one change made the roster better or worse for next season.

Last off season was one big pup and pony show.

 

[Neil O. Shyster]

Yeah, but a center rotation of Hassan and Nurk probably has a considerable impact on the record over Hassan and Tolliver/Brown.

We wouldn’t have Hassan if Nurk was not injured. Blazers made Western Conference finals without Nurk. The real comparison to be made is Hassan vs Kanter, which was a huge upgrade.

 

[e_blazer]

We wouldn’t have Hassan if Nurk was not injured. Blazers made Western Conference finals without Nurk. The real comparison to be made is Hassan vs Kanter, which was a huge upgrade.

Again, reading my posts before responding is kind of important. I'm responding to wizenheimer's comment about this season's record. When Nurk gets cleared to play, adding him to the center rotation has a major impact.

 

[Neil O. Shyster]

Wow, just listening to 620 am radio... the host went on a rant saying this season’s performance is solely due to injuries... and nothing else! Then didn’t take any calls for people to respond. Straight Neil Olshey propaganda... this is state run media at its finest! It’s nice that Neil is friends with all the players and they can do no wrong, and still get paid! The media so aggressive pushing this narrative makes me feel they will make no moves... no accountability.

 

[BonesJones]

You are really stretching it if you want to discount the loss of Steph and Klay to fit your narrative. The comparison would be valid if we lost Dame and CJ to injury.

The Warriors are a totally different team. The only player that played any meaningful minutes for them from last season is Draymond Green. That’s it. KD, Steph, Klay, Iggy, Livingston, Looney, Cook, Bell all injured or gone. Try to compare the level of players that they lost and see what you get.

Relative to Portland, the Warriors are actually overperforming being only 5 games behind with their roster.

The Warriors also do a much better job of us at playing the right way (i.e. ball movement, fundamental defense, etc)… If we were playing the style they are (or were coached by Kerr), we'd be much better then we are now. If it somehow didn't lead to better results, I wouldn't be blaming the coaching.

 

[BonesJones]

Wow, just listening to 620 am radio... the host went on a rant saying this season’s performance is solely due to injuries... and nothing else! Then didn’t take any calls for people to respond. Straight Neil Olshey propaganda... this is state run media at its finest! It’s nice that Neil is friends with all the players and they can do no wrong, and still get paid! The media so aggressive pushing this narrative makes me feel they will make no moves... no accountability.

It's Stotts propaganda more than Olshey propaganda.

Maybe this is vain, but I feel like I've sparked those segments and that discussion due to my back and forth with media members who say the same thing. Saying injuries are our only problem is absolutely ridiculous, and I think most people would agree.

 

[BonesJones]

I agree, injuries are a legit excuse/reason.

Can you think of a team who has lost 3 out of their 5 starters basically for the year and had stretches where they only had 1 big guy available who had success over an entire season? Maybe it's happened, but I'm guessing that team had an MVP on it or something, because it would take a lot.

Our problems existed when we had Hood, and we were still losing to bad teams with him, so reduce that to 2 out of 5 starters.

Now reduce it to 1 out of 5 starters, because we got a starting C replacement for Nurkic who's been playing really well.

And we got Melo only because Collins got hurt, and on some nights, he plays really well and probably provides more than we would've gotten out of Zach (think last night).

So the 3 out of 5 starters narrative is extremely devoid of proper context.

 

[wizenheimer]

Yeah, but a center rotation of Hassan and Nurk probably has a considerable impact on the record over Hassan and Tolliver/Brown.

if Nurkic was healthy last summer, there never would have been a trade for Whiteside

and if he's due to be healthy soon, I've been told over and over here that Portland plans to trade him for an upgrade at another position. The reality could very well be that Portland keeps Whiteside till next summer though so maybe we'll see Portland test the impact of a Whiteside/Nurkic rotation

but the point remains that just plugging Nurkic into the same situation Whitside has might not have yielded more than a win or two.

 

[BonesJones]

2/5ths of your starting lineup going down for the season is a bit more than the wind blowing the wrong way. its a fucking tornado that turned directions and plowed through your house. No one is going to plan for that. come on now....

Funny how no other team would have that same F5 tornado come through for them.

 

[BonesJones]

OK, my turn to throw some stats around.

My favorite stat is, how many wins do we have, or would we have.

This season though 35 games
14W-21L, for 7 games below 500
Last seasons roster 35 games
20W-15L, for 5 games above 500

So if this seasons roster was healthy, would it have won 6 more games and be equal to last seasons roster at this same time?

I believe with a healthy Zach, Skal & Hood, 6 more wins is a reasonable expectation.

So if healthy, this roster is as good as last seasons? Well maybe not. One more twist to consider.

The roster last season ended with positive momentum and chemistry, well, except for the last series.

It is also reasonable to expect last seasons roster to carry over some of the chemistry and momentum. Resulting in a better than 20W-15L start.

So what do all these stats tell us? Not one damn thing except a whole lot of nothing happened last off season. We are really not much better or worse than last season. More important, not one change made the roster better or worse for next season.

Last off season was one big pup and pony show.

If we had no injuries: 20-15
If we had a better coach with injuries: 21-14
If we had a better coach and no injuries: 25-10

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

If we had no injuries: 20-15
If we had a better coach with injuries: 21-14
If we had a better coach and no injuries: 25-10

no... they arent better with a different coach and injuries then they would be just healthy.

 

[Orion Bailey]

2/5ths of your starting line up when it is Dame/CJ you lose is the f***ing tornado it seems to me. Yes, losing Collins/Hood is bad, but they were #4 and #5 out of the starters. Toronto lost the best 2-way player in the league from last years team and also another starter in Green. They are still in a place to have HCA in the East if the Playoffs started today. THAT is prospering through a real tornado IMO.

good points though id argue that Toronto has a much deeper bench and maybe the mvp runner up in that conference in siakim. Oh yeah and thats the east. point taken about the tornado. They suffered a five. We suffered a three, id say.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Funny how no other team would have that same F5 tornado come through for them.

not so sure of that. But Ill admit my tornado analogy was about as far off as saying if the wind blows in another direction we are screwed.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I believe part of its injuries, but maybe the Blazers just suck. No talent, not great coaching, their 2nd and 3rd best players belong on a good teams bench. Melo is also terrible. Getting healthy will help, but a full on roster and coaching overhaul is probably the way to go. Glad last year was fun, but they’re a bad team right now. Whether they’re held accountable or not.
I stopped expecting wins about a month ago and its made the season way better.

 

[e_blazer]

if Nurkic was healthy last summer, there never would have been a trade for Whiteside

and if he's due to be healthy soon, I've been told over and over here that Portland plans to trade him for an upgrade at another position. The reality could very well be that Portland keeps Whiteside till next summer though so maybe we'll see Portland test the impact of a Whiteside/Nurkic rotation

but the point remains that just plugging Nurkic into the same situation Whitside has might not have yielded more than a win or two.

I think that Nurk has a better fit with Dame, in particular, but I won't argue with your overall assessment that simply swapping those players makes a large difference in the record, all other things being equal. My point, however, relates to the indisputable fact that the Blazers are in desperate need of healthy big men. Adding Nurk to the existing lineup would have a huge impact. Olshey may or may not plan on eventually trading Hassan, but certainly wouldn't do it as long as the Blazers remain in the playoff hunt (at the very least until either Labissier or Collins returns) unless it's a swap for another big (Kevin Love?). If Nurk can't return until February and the losing continues through January, it's all academic anyway. At that point the season is totally lost and all attention turns to the draft and moves for next season.

 

[Lanny]

Did you read my post? The Warriors lost their top rotation/contributing players. If you’re going to compare last season’s record to this season’s record, you have to include KD as a player lost. Even if you don’t include KD as a injury/player lost, then they still don’t have Steph or Klay (their top 2 players). Portland still has their top 2 players plus a serviceable substitute for Nurkic in Whiteside.

Not all injuries are equal. It matters WHO gets injured also.

Did you read my post? You were previously claiming that injuries should not be an excuse. Now, you're making the excuse that the Warriors injuries should be an excuse. That's exactly what I was saying. Of course, a hangnail doesn't count as much as a compound fracture. Duh.

 

[SheedSoNasty]

Hot take... Neil O. Shyster and Orion Bailey are the same poster. Just another prank, y’all.

 

[OneSport3]

Did you read my post? You were previously claiming that injuries should not be an excuse. Now, you're making the excuse that the Warriors injuries should be an excuse. That's exactly what I was saying. Of course, a hangnail doesn't count as much as a compound fracture. Duh.

Is there a way to block or ignore people on this forum? I know other platforms allow you to block posts from people you don’t want to see.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Is there a way to block or ignore people on this forum? I know other platforms allow you to block posts from people you don’t want to see.

Yes. Click their user name and the ignore option is in the dialogue box

 

[OneSport3]

Yes. Click their user name and the ignore option is in the dialogue box

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[Lanny]

Can we change the title of this thread to: Injury Excuse, Propagandist? And then I can be in charge of the injury excuses.

Here is my first excuse:

All these injuries are why we have less players available to play games.

You taking all the heat? Works for me.

 

[Lanny]

So if we have Dame/CJ still but our record is as poor as it is, perhaps they aren't as good as we think they are? That may be sacrilage, but we still have our 'Top 1 or 2 backcourts' in the NBA and are being beat by teams that have a big fat nothing.

For 4 years it's been my opinion that Dame/CJ together don't work for being a true contender. Now we are seeing what they bring without Super Nurk and people all over the rest of the roster trying to pick up for them on the defensive end. I just don't believe you can hide BOTH on the defensive end. One of them? (Dame) You can get away with like the Warriors hide Curry. But two average or below defenders who are undersized? I just don't see where that works historically and it certainly hasn't worked in a contender manner in this version.

Very good offensively but at times, at the expense of their own teammates. Dame is fine because he passes the ball. CJ has shown he will pass....when he is playing and Dame is out due to injury....but they both don't do that when playing together. It almost seems like it becomes a competition of 'who is going to get theirs'.

I disagree with your summation.
You've got to have a passable team along with two stars. This means that you'd better have a bench.