Interesting Observance.......

[blazerboy30]

No. Not really.

Just saying that just because it's on paper doesn't make it right. For being so smart, you have difficulty grasping that?

It seems you have difficulty understanding something that is nature versus something that is man-created.

Silly, angry guy. You're mixing several arguments. You specifically asked about "things written on paper"

Just so I can better understand where you guys are coming from..... where do you guys draw the line as to which things written on paper you follow and those you do not...?

You can't even keep track of your own arguments, never mind trying to argue with me.

 

[magnifier661]

LULZ..... You guys kill me. It's on a piece of paper. You guys treat written law as though it's the air you breathe, the water we drink. As if it's some naturally-occurring element. As though it is a necessity of life.

Just so I can better understand where you guys are coming from..... where do you guys draw the line as to which things written on paper you follow and those you do not...?

You laugh at the laws that make this country great. What separates the us from Afghanistan?

And you use paper to buy things. You value that don't you? If not, just send me all your paper notes and live on some secluded island

 

[magnifier661]

Terrible argument. Our free speech has slowly been taken away from us.

Denny will fight for that as much as the second amendment. You are right! The government is trying to take away all our rights. That's why we lobby so they don't take away everything. Give them an inch and before you know it, you are miles from where you started.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Silly, angry guy. You're mixing several arguments. You specifically asked about "things written on paper"



You can't even keep track of your own arguments, never mind trying to argue with me.

LOL. I'm laughing at you. Because I don't really care. One, it's funny to see some of you guys get worked up over this. And two, I was trying to gain understanding into Nate's comment of "I believe it because it's law". So clearly, you were rubbed by something. I could care less one way or another. I'm flattered you think I'm worked up over this - I guess you missed my poking fun in a few of my posts.

But, admittedly, I should expect that from those who are so uptight and pretentious in all of their posts.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

You laugh at the laws that make this country great. What separates the us from Afghanistan?

And you use paper to buy things. You value that don't you? If not, just send me all your paper notes and live on some secluded island

You guys clearly missed the boat on my posts, but it's cool.

More than anything, I was trying to poke fun at Nate essentially saying, "it's on paper, I believe it!" But now I feel bad for not believing in everything that is on paper.

For the record, I'm not laughing at laws. My original point, and I guess I should have made it more clear for some of you, is that I was making jest of Nate's comment. We all have to think for ourselves (some of you clearly cannot). I just thought his comment sounded funny, like "it's on paper, I must follow it to the T of the law." I mean, I thought that's what made this country so great, being "free" and being able to think for ourselves. But no.... I must follow what the paper says in front of my face.

I will be sure to use more green font.

 

[magnifier661]

You guys clearly missed the boat on my posts, but it's cool.

More than anything, I was trying to poke fun at Nate essentially saying, "it's on paper, I believe it!" But now I feel bad for not believing in everything that is on paper.

For the record, I'm not laughing at laws. My original point, and I guess I should have made it more clear for some of you, is that I was making jest of Nate's comment. We all have to think for ourselves (some of you clearly cannot). I just thought his comment sounded funny, like "it's on paper, I must follow it to the T of the law." I mean, I thought that's what made this country so great, being "free" and being able to think for ourselves. But no.... I must follow what the paper says in front of my face.

I will be sure to use more green font.

I missed the sarcasm. Sorry if I seem a little brash about it. I just truly value our rights and get a little sensitive.

 

[jlprk]

The same people that believe in GOD, also believe we should all have guns and that it's OK to cut down all our trees and there is no such thing as "global warming"

You should frame your inquiry like this.

The board Christians should ask, what would Jesus do?

The board Jews should ask, what would T. Boone Pickens do?

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

I missed the sarcasm. Sorry if I seem a little brash about it. I just truly value our rights and get a little sensitive.

I figured my comment would get people up in arms (no pun intended). But I was literally laughing when I read the comment by Nate. While I know what he was intending to say, the way I read/interpreted it...... it made me laugh. It's in-line with part of what I think is wrong with this country - people just go along with things cuz that's what they are, that's what's on paper, etc. Not saying I'm not guilty of it myself, but I can't help but laugh and shake my head at those types of comments, whether serious or not, intended or not.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

1. Don't believe in god.
2. Don't think everyone should have guns, but should have the ability to get one if they want
3. It's not OK to cut down trees, but what's done is done. All we can do going forward is do it right. It's hard to say to Brazil, "you can't do it, though we did" and keep them down economically.
4. The earth is clearly warming. The question is whether Mankind can contribute to additional warming in any significant manner. I'm not convinced.

Samesies

 

[SlyPokerDog]

The constitution also says we're innocent until proven guilty. With a gun background check, you're guilty until proven innocent.

There are some people who should not own a gun. While background checks don't always prevent these people from owning them it does make it harder for them.

 

[Denny Crane]

There are some people who should not own a gun. While background checks don't always prevent these people from owning them it does make it harder for them.

Some people may commit a crime. Let's arrest everyone and sort through the ones who are innocent and let them go. While this doesn't always prevent people from committing crimes, it does make it harder for them.

And I am making a very relevant parallel.

 

[RR7]

Some people may commit a crime. Let's arrest everyone and sort through the ones who are innocent and let them go. While this doesn't always prevent people from committing crimes, it does make it harder for them.

And I am making a very relevant parallel.

no, really you're not.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Some people may commit a crime. Let's arrest everyone and sort through the ones who are innocent and let them go. While this doesn't always prevent people from committing crimes, it does make it harder for them.

And I am making a very relevant parallel.

Background checks does not equal being arrested.

 

[magnifier661]

I definitely don't mind background checks. I don't feel like I'm guilty. It's just like someone that needs to take a drug test to be a bus driver. There is a due diligence we need to take with such a dangerous responsibility.

Just like a car. You need to register your car and pass the driving test to drive it.

 

[magnifier661]

We need to chop trees down too. As much as peeps want to hug on trees, man has prevented natural fires that support life. Planting smaller trees does help the natural recycling program.

Don't let this hcp guy get all nature first on ya. He owns a house, drives cars and uses a ton of power.

 

[BlazerWookee]

1) I believe in God, and I hope to God He has a sense of humor.

2) I own no guns. I can't afford to buy one, but probably will when I can. I think that the right to bear arms should not be infringed, and I am offended and disgusted by those who bang the gun control drum with the bodies of dead children when vigorous enforcement of current laws would do much more for public safety than any new legislation could.

3) I believe in stewardessship of the planet. Cut down a tree...plant at least 7 more, and then cut them down when they're big enough and replace each with 7 more.

4) I don't believe that man has had anywhere near the impact on the global climate than so-called "scientists" say. I also don't believe that man has had no impact on the global climate. I find those banging the "global warming" drum for political and/or financial gain to be reprehensible and disgusting.

5) Spotted Owl is delicious, if not very filling.

 

[Denny Crane]

Background checks does not equal being arrested.

It equals a trial.

Assumed guilty until proven innocent.

The speediness of the trial is irrelevant.

 

[magnifier661]

Yeah and I didn't say there was no global warming. I said its not as bad as the liberals try and make it. In fact I said its in the middle.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

It equals a trial.

Assumed guilty until proven innocent.

The speediness of the trial is irrelevant.

No it doesn't. Evidence is not being presented against you.

 

[blazerboy30]

It equals a trial.

Assumed guilty until proven innocent.

The speediness of the trial is irrelevant.

You have to provide background information, performance testing and bodily physical testing (eyesight) before you can get a driver's license. Background checks to buy a gun don't seem any more invasive than getting a driver's license.

Do you feel the above testing and checks should be eliminated when attempting to get a driver's license?

 

[Denny Crane]

No it doesn't. Evidence is not being presented against you.

Very good, now you're getting why it's not a fair trial. The guilty until proven innocent part is part of it, too.

 

[Denny Crane]

You have to provide background information, performance testing and bodily physical testing (eyesight) before you can get a driver's license. Background checks to buy a gun don't seem any more invasive than getting a driver's license.

Do you feel the above testing and checks should be eliminated when attempting to get a driver's license?

They aren't trying to figure out if you're a criminal when they're giving you a driver's license. Driving, as well, isn't a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc., amendment right.

But I'm not a big fan of the DMV, FWIW. A court, however, should be able to deny you the privilege of driving if you've proven to be a danger.

 

[blazerboy30]

They aren't trying to figure out if you're a criminal when they're giving you a driver's license.

They are, however, trying to assess if you are a potential danger to society. They also are setting up a system to be able to track you and your vehicle.

Driving, as well, isn't a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc., amendment right.

Now you're changing the discussion.

But I'm not a big fan of the DMV, FWIW. A court, however, should be able to deny you the privilege of driving if you've proven to be a danger.

 

[MARIS61]

Christianity is at its heart a pacifistic religion.

Read the bible.

Then post.

 

[Denny Crane]

They are, however, trying to assess if you are a potential danger to society. They also are setting up a system to be able to track you and your vehicle.




Now you're changing the discussion.

I'm not changing the discussion. If it said "everyone's right to get around, the privilege to drive shall not be infringed" in the bill of rights, there'd be no licenses or tests.

 

[ABM]

Do we have a right to bear ied's? I mean, for protection purposes....

 

[Denny Crane]

Do we have a right to bear ied's? I mean, for protection purposes....

Probably should have that right. Using them is another story.

 

[ABM]

Probably should have that right. Using them is another story.

Screw the ied's, I'm going straight for missile launchers!

Yeah, baby, yeah!!

 

[MARIS61]

Do we have a right to bear ied's? I mean, for protection purposes....

Yes. The Second Amendment was meant to keep the citizenry on a par with the government as far as weaponry was concerned, to prevent tyrrany.

Better now to ask why our government has arms we don't.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I like HCP's observation. Obviously not a scientific poll and he is just giving a broad kind of feel from all the posts he reads . . . but I see where he is going and agree with the trends he sees.

Funny because global warming is a science issue, but (in general) politicians seems to divide along party lines when it comes to this topic. Gun control and party lines . . I'm assuming there is a correlation there too with republican falling more on the side of less gun control than what democrats want.

So in a way, our little OT forum is a microcosm of society at large.