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Denny Crane said:
Famous last words said by peoples all over the world who've seen outcomes they didn't expect.
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That's a different subject but here, americans are vocal and aggressive about it...I've just proven those weren't my last words but I'm not really famous. In Oregon you can't drive by a courthouse without seeing a group of people protesting with signs and that's not changing Denny.
 
riverman said:
That's a different subject but here, americans are vocal and aggressive about it...I've just proven those weren't my last words but I'm not really famous. In Oregon you can't drive by a courthouse without seeing a group of people protesting with signs and that's not changing Denny.
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When a campaign requires the equivalent of $1B to win a presidential election, and government is funding that $1B, they're going to pick and choose who gets the money.

You can say what you like because we have free speech. You can even spend your life savings to get yourself as big a megaphone as possible. But under what you think is a good idea, you would get zero chance at the bigger megaphone.
 
riverman said:
This chart doesn't adjust for the dollar value..it's changed over the years
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It sure does.

The two colors indicate inflation adjusted and current dollars.
 
So then in 1950 the minimum wage was higher than in 2013 if I'm following the nominal dollar chart?
 
Denny Crane said:
When a campaign requires the equivalent of $1B to win a presidential election, and government is funding that $1B, they're going to pick and choose who gets the money.

You can say what you like because we have free speech. You can even spend your life savings to get yourself as big a megaphone as possible. But under what you think is a good idea, you would get zero chance at the bigger megaphone.
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Well first, I'm not a fan of a monetary figure that defines winning an election. On the other hand, I am free to make a political speech without going to prison or gitmo..I don't know where you got that idea from but it's not something I fear
 
riverman said:
So then in 1950 the minimum wage was higher than in 2013 if I'm following the nominal dollar chart?
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Yes. But minimum wage, inflation adjusted, is in fact higher now than 10 years ago.
 
riverman said:
Well first, I'm not a fan of a monetary figure that defines winning an election. On the other hand, I am free to make a political speech without going to prison or gitmo..I don't know where you got that idea from but it's not something I fear
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Because government isn't controlling elections as you propose.

Once they do control political speech, what are they going to do to people who "violate" the rules?

They'll accuse you of being funded by Al Qaeda (who paid for your signs, the people going door to door asking for your vote, etc.) See ya in gitmo.
 
Denny Crane said:
Because government isn't controlling elections as you propose.

Once they do control political speech, what are they going to do to people who "violate" the rules?

They'll accuse you of being funded by Al Qaeda (who paid for your signs, the people going door to door asking for your vote, etc.) See ya in gitmo.
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My bank statement protects me....sorry to leave you alone in gitmo
 
Denny..gotta ask you who's your candidate..Ron Paul?
 
Denny Crane said:
Or...

Even with the best of intentions, socialism is a miserable failure when the rubber meets the road.

Capitalism may be evil, but everything else is worse. So far.

I'd rather let someone else pioneer some radical societal changes and see it work to our satisfaction.

I'm not anti-communist, FWIW. I've always felt that it may be quite appropriate for many 3rd world nations. Just that when put into practice for large industrialized nations, it's awful.
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I think what is destined for failure is extreme ideology in any form. There are aspects of both capitalism and socialism that are valuable and destructive in a modern society. Aspects of socialism have proven to be very effective in Europe and the rest of the world, there's not much pioneering to do any more.
 
Denny Crane said:
Because government isn't controlling elections as you propose.

Once they do control political speech, what are they going to do to people who "violate" the rules?

They'll accuse you of being funded by Al Qaeda (who paid for your signs, the people going door to door asking for your vote, etc.) See ya in gitmo.
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If you donate $20 mill to a candidate's PAC you expect and will receive influence with the candidate if he is elected. I don't see how that is a good thing.

Trump and Sanders are not taking big donations. They are both against this too.
 
donkiez said:
I think what is destined for failure is extreme ideology in any form. There are aspects of both capitalism and socialism that are valuable and destructive in a modern society. Aspects of socialism have proven to be very effective in Europe and the rest of the world, there's not much pioneering to do any more.
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We are proof what works in France doesn't work here.

$4T worth of federal government alone. All the three-letter agencies and direct payments to individuals and nobody thinks we're on the right track.

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More of the same isn't what you want if the same is what you don't like.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
If you donate $20 mill to a candidate's PAC you expect and will receive influence with the candidate if he is elected. I don't see how that is a good thing.

Trump and Sanders are not taking big donations. They are both against this too.
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Candidates are free to take big money or not. That's the beauty of it. You are free to vote for or not vote for a candidate if he takes big money or not. That's the beauty of it.

Having a choice between Putin and nobody else is no choice at all. That's effectively what we'd have if government gets to choose the candidates (who get money). If you think gerrymandering is bad...
 
riverman said:
So then in 1950 the minimum wage was higher than in 2013 if I'm following the nominal dollar chart?
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Yep. I would say that is about spot on. By my estimate, a 1968 dollar was worth about 13 of today's dollar. So take that times the $1.60 minimum wage, that make it worth
about $20 and hour compared to today. But if the government did that now, only the owners and the illegals will work. Back in 68 though, immigration was in fact controlled so wage could
rise to meet demand for workers. No need today. Microsoft need to Programmers or engineers, no problem, Gates goes to congress and convinces them he can't get the job done
without allowing him to import talent. Shazam! here they come. Back in those days before all the immigrants and exporting of work ( or out sourcing) the papers were full of help
wanted adds for programmers, engineers, system programmer and the like. None of which was the minimum wage even discussed. Gates and PA got rich but not the Programmers
nor the Engineers, thanks to the government helping them out.

You raise the minimum to $20 now on the jobs that are left here and you will see some unintended changes, like MacD installing about 20 or 30 Microwaves and you get your Big Mac out of the vending machine and zap it yourself. The only employee in sight will be one big bad looking security guard that won't have clue out to get the change the machine failed to give you.
 
magnifier661 said:
Are you saying unions and minimum wage hasn't grown in the last 10 years?
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Uh...yeahhhh...well duhhh...that's what I'm saying alright....everyone except you knows it's true, adjusted for inflation and fierce Republican opposition...

riverman said:
I know I rented a 3 bedroom house with a yard and garage in San Diego in 1972 for 80 bucks a month...that's changed a bit
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High 20s per month for me, same year in Los Angeles, 1/3 among 3 hippie students. So about the same.

Denny Crane said:
Yes. But minimum wage, inflation adjusted, is in fact higher now than 10 years ago.
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A convenient choice of decades. After no minimum wage change since Reagan, Democrats recently stomped on your ilk to increase it.
 
jlprk said:
Uh...yeahhhh...well duhhh...that's what I'm saying alright....everyone except you knows it's true, adjusted for inflation and fierce Republican opposition...



High 20s per month for me, same year in Los Angeles, 1/3 among 3 hippie students. So about the same.



A convenient choice of decades. After no minimum wage change since Reagan, Democrats recently stomped on your ilk to increase it.
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You're right! The unions membership dropped to a 70 year low last year in the Obama administration

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2011/01/22/business/22union.html?referrer=

I thought socialists unite and support unions?
 
MarAzul said:
Geez! And here I thought you actual made some sense now and then. Nope, you just one whipped puppy.
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No... Racism doesn't exist at all when it comes to hiring black folk. There's no possible way that could happen.. It's all in our minds....
 
dviss1 said:
Foolish post. Republicans hammer the shit out of unions not Obama...
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See here we go again. You will praise Obama for a great economy but blame the republican congress for any negativity. I guess you fell for my trap easily.
 
magnifier661 said:
See here we go again. You will praise Obama for a great economy but blame the republican congress for any negativity. I guess you fell for my trap easily.
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Democrats historically support unions and get union support. Have you been living under a rock? Republicans with their "school choice", and hammering on the USPS (while owning fucking UPS stores galore), TSA ect, never support unions. This has been the truth for decades.
 
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magnifier661 said:
What do you mean? Of course I support our military
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Now you fell for my trap. The military is the most socialist entity in our country!

They will pay for your back child support...

You support socialism.
 
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