Bogus! Is BLM going too far?

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

How much shit did they burn down?

I spent 28 plus years working in Salem. I’d burn it down too......and I’m a “liberal”......

 

[Chris Craig]

I am 100% behind equal rights, equal justice police reform and an overhaul of our judicial process.

i am not behind wanton destruction and disobedience and lack of respect to innocent bystanders, but all of that is irrelevant.

This type of behavior will not gain support for a just aNd needed cause in my opinion. It will undermine everything and pit the masses against the movement.

protests are one thing. Shining flashilights in peoples homes, dissrupting their dinner in a local business and chasing them out is not going to be acceptBle and will only aid in pushing people to support things like patriot pride and the proud boys.

i will not support either side but i see what is happening and get the vibe when i talk to people. More and more i talk to say they want this to stop and will vote in an opposite way in order to not support the non peaceful protests.

I hear you. I am all for equality and equity. For police reform. Justice equality. Black Lives do matter. I believe things need to change. I don't agree with violence, looting, or burning shit down. It's terrible.

I get why things like we saw in the video are happening though. For so long the black community has cried out at inequality and inequity at a system catering white people. And time after time, we say we hear them, but change doesn't come or is so slow, progress is hard to see. I think there has been a good deal of progress over the past 60 years. But, not nearly enough. Black people are angry. They are making sure we hear this time. Maybe it's not convenient for us. Is it wearing on all of us. Yes. Maybe it should be. Maybe we need to feel uncomfortable, to feel how they feel. Maybe we need to be kept on our toes. Maybe then real change will happen. At least that seems to be the idea.

I wish it could be just peaceful protests, but maybe that is not enough anymore.

 

[Hoopguru]

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[ABM]

I hear you. I am all for equality and equity. For police reform. Justice equality. Black Lives do matter. I believe things need to change. I don't agree with violence, looting, or burning shit down. It's terrible.

I get why things like we saw in the video are happening though. For so long the black community has cried out at inequality and inequity at a system catering white people. And time after time, we say we hear them, but change doesn't come or is so slow, progress is hard to see. I think there has been a good deal of progress over the past 60 years. But, not nearly enough. Black people are angry. They are making sure we hear this time. Maybe it's not convenient for us. Is it wearing on all of us. Yes. Maybe it should be. Maybe we need to feel uncomfortable, to feel how they feel. Maybe we need to be kept on our toes. Maybe then real change will happen. At least that seems to be the idea.

I wish it could be just peaceful protests, but maybe that is not enough anymore.

Some of the dynamic is very strange....

 

[Chris Craig]

Some of the dynamic is very strange....

Well, unfortunately anarchists and right wing groups posing as anarchists have taken advantage of what's going on and are commiting violence and destroying shit and saying it is in the name of BLM when they just want to destroy shit and try and bring the government down.

 

[lawai'a]

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might make the observation here that the violence of the protests led to the last law and order president being elected.

 

[barfo]

might make the observation here that the violence of the protests led to the last law and order president being elected.

Yes, although Nixon wasn't the incumbent at the time.

barfo

 

[lawai'a]

Well, unfortunately anarchists and right wing groups posing as anarchists have taken advantage of what's going on and are commiting violence and destroying shut and saying it is in the name of BLM when they just want to destroy shit and try and bring the government down.

the most lasting protests that have the longest and most far reaching affects on societies have been the peaceful kind. two of the most recent being ghandi and king. the black panthers and the weathermen, not so much. people tend to lose sympathy in the face of violence.
please add Mandela adopting peaceful after violence failed.

Yes, although Nixon wasn't the incumbent at the time.

barfo

no but IMHO and recollection, the violence failed to engender the sympathies of the electorate, but fueled the law and order candidates messaging. he won.

 

[Chris Craig]

the most lasting protests that have the longest and most far reaching affects on societies have been the peaceful kind. two of the most recent being ghandi and king. the black panthers and the weathermen, not so much. people tend to lose sympathy in the face of violence.
please add Mandela adopting peaceful after violence failed.

no but IMHO and recollection, the violence failed to engender the sympathies of the electorate, but fueled the law and order candidates messaging. he won.

 

[Hoopguru]

might make the observation here that the violence of the protests led to the last law and order president being elected.

I think I get what you're saying, violence creates a response which can, and has, create a polarization. People react to what they are witnessing and many are, like the song say's "Theres Battle Lines are Bein' Drawn, Nobody's Right if Everybody's Wrong".
Ronald Reagan Zap!

 

[lawai'a]

the assasination of duke ferdinand.
the marxist and leninist revolts.
Pohl pot.
Hitler.
if you want to burn down the world by setting it on fire by all means go ahead. just don't expect everyone to see it as a good thing.

 

[wizenheimer]

I spent 28 plus years working in Salem. I’d burn it down too......and I’m a “liberal”......

I live in Salem, and judging by the sky above and air outside, it is burning

 

[Lanny]

It ain't pretty at any rate....

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8704827/Anti-racism-protester-struck-CAR-Rochester.html

Outrageous moment BLM protesters scream 'f**k the white people' at elderly outdoor diners before downing their drinks, smashing glasses and forcing other patrons to leave the restaurant

• Protests against racial inequality and police brutality continued across the country on Sunday night
• Demonstrators confronted restaurant diners in Pittsburgh, downing their drinks and smashing glasses
• In Rochester, New York, a man was struck by a vehicle during a demonstration over the death of Daniel Prude
• In Portland 59 people were arrested overnight Saturday - setting a record for protest-related arrests so far

I said credible link.

Here's what wikipedia has to say about the Daily Mail -
"The Daily Mail has been noted for its unreliability and widely criticized for its printing of sensationalist and inaccurate scare stories of science and medical research, and for copyright violations."

 

[Lanny]

I live in Salem, and judging by the sky above and air outside, it is burning

My next door neighbors have relatives who live in Salem up here visiting. The relatives told my neighbors about an orange sky and heavy smoke.

 

[Lanny]

might make the observation here that the violence of the protests led to the last law and order president being elected.

Republicans have long had the mantra of carry a big stick and speak loudly. I remember way back when they were beating the shit out of peaceful hippie anti Vietnam war protestors in the PSU area park blocks.

 

[Lanny]

I think I get what you're saying, violence creates a response which can, and has, create a polarization. People react to what they are witnessing and many are, like the song say's "Theres Battle Lines are Bein' Drawn, Nobody's Right if Everybody's Wrong".
Ronald Reagan Zap!

He's a Drug Store Truck Drivin' Man

 

[Orion Bailey]

I said credible link.

Here's what wikipedia has to say about the Daily Mail -
"The Daily Mail has been noted for its unreliability and widely criticized for its printing of sensationalist and inaccurate scare stories of science and medical research, and for copyright violations."

wiki is not credible.

 

[Lanny]

wiki is not credible.

I didn't use them as any kind of proof.
I asked for a link backing up his assertion. I made no assertion other than to provide my opinion on his source.
Let's see a credible link backing up an assertion, Debate 101.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I didn't use them as any kind of proof.
I asked for a link backing up his assertion. I made no assertion other than to provide my opinion on his source.
Let's see a credible link backing up an assertion, Debate 101.

lanny you called someone elses link not credible, the Proceeded to post a wiki link.

If you agree wiki is not credible then how can you call someone out for not using a Credible link but then use one yourself?

 

[Lanny]

lanny you called someone elses link not credible, the Proceeded to post a wiki link.

If you agree wiki is not credible then how can you call someone out for not using a Credible link but then use one yourself?

1. I don't agree that Wikipedia is not credible but I can see a stonewall so I'm not going to pursue that one;
2. I made no assertion other than to provide some helpful information that you are free to accept or reject. I'm still waiting on my request for a credible link.

 

[lawai'a]

the common theme were that thos

Republicans have long had the mantra of carry a big stick and speak loudly. I remember way back when they were beating the shit out of peaceful hippie anti Vietnam war protestors in the PSU area park blocks.

sure, but nationally the election buzz included the very recent memory of the violence and rioting in detroit, and there it was LBJ sending in the guard, not a republican, sent in TANKS. these riots i am sure you remember were about racial i9njustice too.

 

[lawai'a]

Republicans have long had the mantra of carry a big stick and speak loudly. I remember way back when they were beating the shit out of peaceful hippie anti Vietnam war protestors in the PSU area park blocks.

remember the 1968 DNC police riots? those were peaceful protesters, 10,000 strong marching to protest those same issues. chicago mayor richard daley, democratic king maker was in charge of the response.

 

[Lanny]

the common theme were that thos

sure, but nationally the election buzz included the very recent memory of the violence and rioting in detroit, and there it was LBJ sending in the guard, not a republican, sent in TANKS. these riots i am sure you remember were about racial i9njustice too.

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When was Lyndon Johnson last President? January of 1968? Over half a century ago? Weren't Liberals protesting his Presidency?

 

[lawai'a]

When was Lyndon Johnson last President? January of 1968? Over half a century ago? Weren't Liberals protesting his Presidency?

you referenced peaceful protesters, and inferred it was republicans that were responsible for the beatings handed out to the protesters. i only acknowledged that democrats had done it first and to equal extreme. 43 died in detroit, when it was 4 white kids killed at kent state, 1970, the approach became viewed as too heavy handed. my summary has been that violent protests lose the support of the majority of the electorate. the racial protests around the country after dr. king's assasination, and the anti war protests were responsible for getting nixon elected, and that violent protests today may backfire and do the same to re-elect the incumbent. not an outcome i advocate.

 

[Lanny]

you referenced peaceful protesters, and inferred it was republicans that were responsible for the beatings handed out to the protesters. i only acknowledged that democrats had done it first and to equal extreme. 43 died in detroit, when it was 4 white kids killed at kent state, 1970, the approach became viewed as too heavy handed. my summary has been that violent protests lose the support of the majority of the electorate. the racial protests around the country after dr. king's assasination, and the anti war protests were responsible for getting nixon elected, and that violent protests today may backfire and do the same to re-elect the incumbent. not an outcome i advocate.

Suit yourself, but it's Trump that's urging people to be more violent to Left wingers. So, are you saying that there are instances where it's okay to pay back with more and worse beatings?

 

[ABM]

I said credible link.

Here's what wikipedia has to say about the Daily Mail -
"The Daily Mail has been noted for its unreliability and widely criticized for its printing of sensationalist and inaccurate scare stories of science and medical research, and for copyright violations."

OK, well, Daily Mail is what @SlyPokerDog uses just about every day. I guess that's what I get for piggybacking on his trusted sites. Yeesh.

 

[lawai'a]

Suit yourself, but it's Trump that's urging people to be more violent to Left wingers. So, are you saying that there are instances where it's okay to pay back with more and worse beatings?

never, not even infered.

 

[lawai'a]

never, not even inferred

Suit yourself, but it's Trump that's urging people to be more violent to Left wingers. So, are you saying that there are instances where it's okay to pay back with more and worse beatings?

.

my point through out has never been to take a position on appropriate response, but that violent protests lose the sympathy and empathy that may have been garnered by peaceful messaging. self defeating in making lasting change.

 

[tlongII]

OK, well, Daily Mail is what @SlyPokerDog uses just about every day. I guess that's what I get for piggybacking on his trusted sites. Yeesh.

I’ve resisted the urge to call Sly out on his favorite “source” to date.

 

[Lanny]

OK, well, Daily Mail is what @SlyPokerDog uses just about every day. I guess that's what I get for piggybacking on his trusted sites. Yeesh.

I can't recall him using it. Anyhow, no mater how much he protests, Sly is not the gold standard.