Is CJ better than Dame?

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Minstrel said:
I think that if Lillard limited himself to the threes that McCollum takes, he'd shoot at least as high a percentage, whereas I don't think McCollum can hit all the shots Lillard can.
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You say that like its a good thing that Lillard takes as many bad shots as he does. I REALLY wish he would limit himself.
 
tester551 said:
You say that like its a good thing that Lillard takes as many bad shots as he does.
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I didn't say it like it was a good thing or a bad thing, just a thing. Last season, Lillard was a pretty destructive force to defenses because he could regularly hit shots that no one else but Curry could. This season, as I've said in a couple of threads, he's struggling with the right balance of "absurd shots" and "open shots."

It's actually positive to have a guy who can take, and make, really, really difficult shots because even the loveliest offense doesn't create easy, open shots every time down. Shots with unusual range also stretch a defense to the breaking point, creating better opportunities for the offense. But, obviously, there's a limit to it--get too crazy-shot-happy and you tilt it towards the negative, missing too many.

I think last season, Lillard basically had the right balance and this season, he's taking too many difficult shots.
 
Right now I think we could get a little bit more for CJ in trade than we could for Dame. That means CJ is better because he has the greater value based on the current NBA market.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Right now I think we could get a little bit more for CJ in trade than we could for Dame. That means CJ is better because he has the greater value based on the current NBA market.
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Nah. A Superstar generally nets you more than a borderline All-Star.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Right now I think we could get a little bit more for CJ in trade than we could for Dame. That means CJ is better because he has the greater value based on the current NBA market.
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You gotta be kidding me. There's no way CJ is worth more than Dame on the market.
 
jonnyboy said:
CJ is great. Dame is better. Other guys have been stepping up lately and Dame, being the great leader he is, is letting them do their thing. We're not talking about Russel fucking Westbrook here, Dame is willing to pass the ball for the overall good of the team. CJ has been hot, so CJ has been getting the ball. The people here who's memory goes back farther than a week or so do not have to ask who is better. If CJ keeps this up for another couple years then he will be better.
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I've thought CJ was better than Dame since last year's playoffs and Clippers fans were saying so too.
 
Minstrel said:
Do you have a stat for wide open threes, out of curiosity?

Lillard is one of the very few players, ever, who has shown a consistent ability to shoot from 30' and shoot contested threes off the dribble. In other words, he has a historically unusual shooting ability, much like Curry does. McCollum is more like Klay Thompson, in this regard, to Lillard's Curry--he's a traditionally great shooter, while Lillard has a shooting skillset shared by very few.

I think that if Lillard limited himself to the threes that McCollum takes, he'd shoot at least as high a percentage, whereas I don't think McCollum can hit all the shots Lillard can.
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Problem is, curry makes 10% or more of his threes. Yes Lillard can hit from 30 feet, but it's not an efficient shot. McCollum gets off a lot better things than Lillard does so he doesn't shoot out to that range. If he did I think he'd make as much as Lillard does.
 
KingSpeed said:
Almost every team has a great PG. Great SGs are worth more. Sly is right.
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Straight across trades:

Can CJ land Butler? No, but Dame can.
Can CJ land AD? No, but Dame can.
Can CJ land KAT? No, but Dame can.
Can CJ land Embiid? No, but Dame can.
Can CJ land GA? No but Dame can.
Can CJ land Drummond? No, but Dame can.

CJ is not worth more than Dame.

Edit: Maybe not AD.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
For a $5 retitling fee I can make it, "Is Aminu better than Plumlee?"
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@Denny Crane

Does @SlyPokerDog have a separate bank account where all of these fees, charges and collections are deposited? I would love to see a running tally of all the monies Sly has made off of us.
I am willing to bet he could retire if he hasn't already.
And if he has... well is his job open then? ;)
 
Orion Bailey said:
@Denny Crane

Does @SlyPokerDog have a separate bank account where all of these fees, charges and collections are deposited? I would love to see a running tally of all the monies Sly has made off of us.
I am willing to bet he could retire if he hasn't already.
And if he has... well is his job open then? ;)
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:)
 
dviss1 said:
Straight across trades:

Can CJ land Butler? No, but Dame can.
Can CJ land AD? No, but Dame can.
Can CJ land KAT? No, but Dame can.
Can CJ land Embiid? No, but Dame can.
Can CJ land GA? No but Dame can.
Can CJ land Drummond? No, but Dame can.

CJ is not worth more than Dame.

Edit: Maybe not AD.
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If any of the bolded are true, then the Blazers should pursue them.

However, I don't know if any of them are.
 
CJ may well be the more efficient shooter. But I still say Dame is the better overall player, combining shooting, floor leadership, and the willingness to take critical shots.

When CJ wins a playoff series with 0.9 seconds, call me again and maybe I'll change my mind.
 
Natebishop3 said:
If aliens came down and told us we had to hit this one shot from halfcourt or they would destroy our planet.... Dame would volunteer to take the shot.
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:notworthy::notworthy::notworthy::notworthy:

Adding this to my sig! You deserve 100 likes for the best post of 2017.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
I don't see Rodman or Sam Cassell threatening to destroy the planet.
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Well, since the world is run by corporations now, Reggie Miller and the Fernengi Alliance might try to buy us out! :dunno:

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Orion Bailey said:
@Denny Crane

Does @SlyPokerDog have a separate bank account where all of these fees, charges and collections are deposited? I would love to see a running tally of all the monies Sly has made off of us.
I am willing to bet he could retire if he hasn't already.
And if he has... well is his job open then? ;)
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It goes into his stripper pole forum and lap dance fund...he pays strippers to dance on their lap...they usually don't do cold noses
 
I never understood these threads. I say Dame is better but who cares honestly. They both play for us. CJ is amazing.
 
Cippy91 said:
I never understood these threads. I say Dame is better but who cares honestly. They both play for us. CJ is amazing.
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There is a fire and you can only save one of them. Who would you pick to live and who would you leave to die a horrible death?
 
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