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Chris Craig said:
Just to argue
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BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94 said:
In terms of talent? Yes he is top 5. SG is probably the most top heavy position of all time in GOAT talks.

1. MJ
2. Kobe
3. Wade
4/5. Harden/Drexler

No disrespect to Jerry West but different era and I don’t know about his on court play compared to the guys I listed.
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Oscar Robertson is classified as a PG, but he's the same size as Harden and I'd take him in his prime over Harden any day of the week.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
He did the same thing here in Portland to a woman who worked at the Benson Hotel and paid her off too. And those are who we know about.
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You truly need to stop spreading ignorance.... This is HER account.... And answer me this: Where is this payoff you just randomly came up with out of the blue??

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=128019&page=1

Portland Hotel Employee: Kobe Kissed Me

Tara Vilhauer, a young Portland, Ore., hotel employee, says she struck up a friendly rapport with returning guest Kobe Bryant over the last few years, but she says their pleasant hotel room chats stopped when things got a little too close for comfort.

Vilhauer said the basketball star, who is now facing sexual assault charges, asked her to come to his room to remove his food tray when he was a guest there in October 2002. The 24-year-old room service attendant says she and Byrant talked about his family before he leaned in and kissed her.

"I engaged in the kiss and I then I had about a million and a half things go through my mind," Vilhauer said on ABCNEWS' Good Morning America. "I said 'this can't happen.' I said 'I have a boyfriend. You have a wife. This is not going to happen.' He [Bryant] said 'that's cool,' and I left after that."

Kiss Story Gets Out

Vilhauer, 24, says she put the Bryant incident behind her until prosecutors from the Eagle County Colorado District Attorney's Office somehow found out about her story after a 19-year-old hotel employee from Eagle, Colo., accused Bryant of rape in June 2003.

Vilhauer says prosecutors in the Bryant case showed up at the posh Portland hotel where she works late last year, wanting to hear her story.

When she refused to provide them with details, Vilhauer says the prosecutors didn't leave her alone.

Vilhauer said they stayed in the hotel overnight and happened to get on the same elevator with her the next morning.

"They said 'we really want to talk you. We want to maybe get together with you after work,'" Vilhauer said.

The young room service attendant said she told them she had nothing to say.

"What happened between him [Bryant] and I, happened between him and I," she said.

When Good Morning America contacted the Eagle County Colorado District Attorney's Office with Vilhauer's claims, the office offered the following statement. "We tried to speak with Tara Vilhauer twice. She refused us, and we left. No information was exchanged."

Vilhauer says she felt as if the prosecutors interpreted the alleged kiss as something different to what it actually was. "I think they're trying to make this a dirty thing, a scandal, and it wasn't that," Vilhauer said.

Vilhauer says Byrant was consistently respectful with her and that she had no comment on his sexual assault case.

"He [Bryant] was always a gentleman towards me, as much as you can be when you're married and you kiss somebody," Vilhauer said.

Vilhauer says Bryant and his Los Angeles Lakers teammates stayed at her hotel about twice a year. She says Bryant began requesting that she serve him after the first few times they met. Vilhauer says such requests are not unusual with regular guests.
 
dviss1 said:
No he didn't. He most certainly did not admit to raping her. That is not true at all.

Bryant admitted to "strangling" her during the encounter, stating that he held her "from the back" "around her neck", that strangling during sex was his "thing" and that he had a pattern of strangling a different sex partner (not his wife) during their recurring sexual encounters. .
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Not sure this explanation to the police would work for most accused rapists.
 
People just need to know what they're talking about before they throw this shit around man..
 
dviss1 said:
If you got strangled would you take money or would you want your attacker jailed?
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It depends on whether the offer was for a million bucks or not.
 
dviss1 said:
People just need to know what they're talking about before they throw this shit around man..
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You're going to have to explain away the admission of rape part for me to be swayed.
 
Lanny said:
You're going to have to explain away the admission of rape part for me to be swayed.
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You probably would need to specify the statement you interpreted as an admission in order for someone to be able to "explain it away".
 
PtldPlatypus said:
You probably would need to specify the statement you interpreted as an admission in order for someone to be able to "explain it away".
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Yeah, I'm asking him to take my word that I read it someplace. Without that, I have no case.
 
I havent seen him use the word rape but in his apology he admits that she did not consent.
 
It's hard for me to stomach this, but I think "The Chia" is already. No the winning might not be there just yet, but he's darn near unstoppable, and he's a way better team player than Westbrook IMO. Westbrook isn't as good a shooter as Harden, and Harden can facilitate every bit as good as Westbrook. Jordan was a way better defender, but he was able to get away with tons of slapping and holding back in the day. Jordan was an incredible scorer, and could take over a game. Drexler was a scorer, but not the shooter Harden is. Clyde was a way better defender as well. Kobe was an excellent scorer and shooter, but he was not as good a facilitator as Harden. Didn't watch West. Before my time as a fan, so I can't comment on him. But I believe Harden is top 5 alltime 2 guard right now.
 
Chris Craig said:
I havent seen him use the word rape but in his apology he admits that she did not consent.
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OK--tracked down the quote:

https://www.thenation.com/article/wrestling-in-with-kobe-bryants-forgotten-apology/

Kobe Bryant said:
Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did. After months of reviewing discovery, listening to her attorney, and even her testimony in person, I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter.
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Yeah, tough to read that as anything else other than an admission of it being a sexual assault.
 
Not to perpetuate the #ringz culture but Harden needs some playoff success as the #1 on his team before entering this discussion. He's largely had playoff failures and the one time his team made the WCF in Houston, he quit on them and was benched during the crucial game.
 
dviss1 said:
You truly need to stop spreading ignorance.... This is HER account.... And answer me this: Where is this payoff you just randomly came up with out of the blue??

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=128019&page=1

Portland Hotel Employee: Kobe Kissed Me

Tara Vilhauer, a young Portland, Ore., hotel employee, says she struck up a friendly rapport with returning guest Kobe Bryant over the last few years, but she says their pleasant hotel room chats stopped when things got a little too close for comfort.

Vilhauer said the basketball star, who is now facing sexual assault charges, asked her to come to his room to remove his food tray when he was a guest there in October 2002. The 24-year-old room service attendant says she and Byrant talked about his family before he leaned in and kissed her.

"I engaged in the kiss and I then I had about a million and a half things go through my mind," Vilhauer said on ABCNEWS' Good Morning America. "I said 'this can't happen.' I said 'I have a boyfriend. You have a wife. This is not going to happen.' He [Bryant] said 'that's cool,' and I left after that."

Kiss Story Gets Out

Vilhauer, 24, says she put the Bryant incident behind her until prosecutors from the Eagle County Colorado District Attorney's Office somehow found out about her story after a 19-year-old hotel employee from Eagle, Colo., accused Bryant of rape in June 2003.

Vilhauer says prosecutors in the Bryant case showed up at the posh Portland hotel where she works late last year, wanting to hear her story.

When she refused to provide them with details, Vilhauer says the prosecutors didn't leave her alone.

Vilhauer said they stayed in the hotel overnight and happened to get on the same elevator with her the next morning.

"They said 'we really want to talk you. We want to maybe get together with you after work,'" Vilhauer said.

The young room service attendant said she told them she had nothing to say.

"What happened between him [Bryant] and I, happened between him and I," she said.

When Good Morning America contacted the Eagle County Colorado District Attorney's Office with Vilhauer's claims, the office offered the following statement. "We tried to speak with Tara Vilhauer twice. She refused us, and we left. No information was exchanged."

Vilhauer says she felt as if the prosecutors interpreted the alleged kiss as something different to what it actually was. "I think they're trying to make this a dirty thing, a scandal, and it wasn't that," Vilhauer said.

Vilhauer says Byrant was consistently respectful with her and that she had no comment on his sexual assault case.

"He [Bryant] was always a gentleman towards me, as much as you can be when you're married and you kiss somebody," Vilhauer said.

Vilhauer says Bryant and his Los Angeles Lakers teammates stayed at her hotel about twice a year. She says Bryant began requesting that she serve him after the first few times they met. Vilhauer says such requests are not unusual with regular guests.
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That's exactly what a person who signed a NDA would say.

If it was exactly like she said she would have told that to the investigators from Colorado. She refused to speak with them. Refused. If cops want to talk to you about a possible crime do you refuse to speak with them or do you tell them about the incident they are inquiring about even if you don't think it was a crime?
 
SlyPokerDog said:
That's exactly what a person who signed a NDA would say.

If it was exactly like she said she would have told that to the investigators from Colorado. She refused to speak with them. Refused. If cops want to talk to you about a possible crime do you refuse to speak with them or do you tell them about the incident they are inquiring about even if you don't think it was a crime?
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Please show me where she signed an NDA. I'll wait.
 
"Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did."

She consented to the sex and the S&M. She did not consent to having her face splattered. And that is the incident to which he's referring.

 
SlyPokerDog said:
That's exactly what a person who signed a NDA would say.

If it was exactly like she said she would have told that to the investigators from Colorado. She refused to speak with them. Refused. If cops want to talk to you about a possible crime do you refuse to speak with them or do you tell them about the incident they are inquiring about even if you don't think it was a crime?
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You know this story came out when he was dealing with the allegations right? Read the whole story. She said she would testify about the kiss.

There was no NDA.
 
Kobe probably didn’t rape that girl, I can’t say 100% because I wasn’t there nor was anyone other than the two involved.

However, Kobe is a fucking scumbag for cheating on his wife and mother of his children.
 
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