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"...she did not consent." Admission of rape

The officer recounted the incident and then asked Kobe if he thought that was rape and he agreed. I've seen the police report. The police report was linked over in O-Live.
 
You know this story came out when he was dealing with the allegations right? Read the whole story. She said she would testify about the kiss.

There was no NDA.

Come on dviss, she was paid a bundle.
 
Please show me where she signed an NDA. I'll wait.

It was in the news.

It was so long ago that I would have no idea how to dig it up again but I've seen it prominently reported in the news.
 
Papers Reveal New Details In Kobe Bryant Rape Case

Newly released court papers in the rape case against Kobe Bryant suggest that his accuser had sex with a second man not long after her encounter with Mr. Bryant. They also show that prosecutors were concerned that disclosure of that information could undermine their case.

The evidence was discussed in a two-day hearing in June in which defense lawyers sought to persuade the judge to allow testimony about the woman's sexual history. The judge last month ruled that much of the evidence was admissible. A transcript of the hearing, which a court clerk had mistakenly e-mailed to seven news organizations last month, was officially released late Monday.

The only witness to testify at the hearing, a defense expert, said that DNA evidence strongly suggested that Mr. Bryant's accuser had sex with a second man not long after her encounter with Mr. Bryant. That conclusion is at odds with a statement the woman gave at the time and will doubtless be used by defense lawyers to provide an alternative explanation for the injuries she suffered.

At the June hearing, Ingrid S. Bakke, a prosecutor, argued that a Colorado law that generally bars admitting evidence concerning the sexual history of people who say they were sexually assaulted should apply in the case. Ms. Bakke also cautioned that a contrary ruling would do grave harm to the prosecution's case.

Were that to happen, she said, according to the transcript, ''I'm thinking the prosecution is going to sit down and re-evaluate the quality of its case and its chances of a successful prosecution.''

But last month the judge, W. Terry Ruckriegle, the chief judge of the district court in Eagle, Colo., did allow some evidence concerning the woman's sexual conduct to be presented, though he limited it to the 72-hour period that ended with her physical examination on July 1, 2003, the day after her encounter with Mr. Bryant at a resort hotel near Vail.

Judge Ruckriegle said he reluctantly released the transcript only because higher courts had ordered him to.

The trial of Mr. Bryant, a basketball superstar for the Los Angeles Lakers, is set to start Aug. 27.

While some legal experts cautioned against drawing conclusions from partial evidence, others said that the DNA evidence described in the transcript might irretrievably damage the prosecution's case. Craig Silverman, a former Denver prosecutor, focused on the expert's conclusion that the woman had had sex with another man after her encounter with Mr. Bryant.

''That is inconsistent with the way jurors could expect a true rape victim to act,'' Mr. Silverman said, ''and it is inconsistent with what she and her attorney have said.''

Others said the new information, even if true, might not be significant.

''Even if the alleged victim did have sex with someone after the incident with Kobe Bryant,'' said Karen Steinhauser, a former sexual assault prosecutor in Denver, ''it tells us nothing about whether she consented to have sex with Kobe Bryant.''

Some information remains sealed. It includes, Judge Ruckriegle wrote on Monday, the accuser's name, information concerning her sexual activities outside the 72-hour window, any use of drugs and alcohol and her mental health history. Those restrictions affected only a handful of passages in the transcript. The accuser was generally referred to as ''Miss ------------''; the second man as Mr. X.

The only witness to testify at the hearing was Dr. Elizabeth A. Johnson, a defense expert in forensic DNA analysis. Dr. Johnson said she had detected semen from a second man on various samples. The second man's DNA was present, she said, in and on the woman, on what prosecutors called ''the purple G-string'' she wore when she met Mr. Bryant and on yellow underwear she wore to the physical examination the next day.

Mr. Bryant has said he had consensual sex with the woman. His DNA was detected in several samples as well, though not on the yellow underwear.

Prosecutors maintain that old, dry semen from the second man on the yellow underwear accounted for its presence on the various samples.

Dr. Johnson said that theory was not plausible.

''I think is would be highly coincidental for someone in the act of putting on underwear to make three separate circular spots on their thighs,'' she testified in June.

''It is highly unlikely to explain how that material got internally,'' she continued. Dr. Johnson added that if sex with the second man had preceded the encounter with Mr. Bryant, some of the second man's genetic material would have been found on Mr. Bryant and his clothing.

In a statement issued in March, the accuser's lawyer, John Clune, called the accusation that his client had sex not long after her encounter with Mr. Bryant ''patently false.''

According to an earlier decision in the case by a different judge, Mr. Bryant's accuser gave an account of her recent sexual history at her physical examination a year ago. ''The alleged accuser,'' Judge Frederick Gannett, of County Court in Eagle, wrote, ''disclosed that she had engaged in sexual intercourse on June 28, 2003, and that her partner has used a condom.''

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/04/us/papers-reveal-new-details-in-kobe-bryant-rape-case.html
 
It was in the news.

It was so long ago that I would have no idea how to dig it up again but I've seen it prominently reported in the news.

You did not see this about the Portland lady.
 
No. The Colorado girl was paid. Please show me where the Portland lady was paid and signed an NDA like @SlyPokerDog said above.

Now again, if you were raped would you take one red cent while your attacker goes free? I wouldn't. Let's not get into the fact that the girl he paid had sex with another dude the day after either.

For the nearly one million bucks that I read she was paid, yeah, I think I'd take it. Do I like other people to do that? No, it's a case of do as I say not as I do.
 
You did not see this about the Portland lady.

I don't really know much about that incident. But, I do know about the Colorado incident. I'm telling you I have seen the police report. It includes a transcript of the interview.

Edit - You know what, ask cup, I think he's seen it over on O-Live.
 
No. The Colorado girl was paid. Please show me where the Portland lady was paid and signed an NDA like @SlyPokerDog said above.

Now again, if you were raped would you take one red cent while your attacker goes free? I wouldn't. Let's not get into the fact that the girl he paid had sex with another dude the day after either.

No one knew Stormy Daniels signed a NDA until Trump's lawyer admitted to paying her and her attorney could publicly release it. Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
 
No one knew Stormy Daniels signed a NDA until Trump's lawyer admitted to paying her and her attorney could publicly release it. Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

So we're just assuming things and laying them on people because we THINK it happened?

Until you have proof, you're burning a strawman.
 
I don't really know much about that incident. But, I do know about the Colorado incident. I'm telling you I have seen the police report. It includes a transcript of the interview.

Edit - You know what, ask cup, I think he's seen it over on O-Live.

Lanny, I just posted that very interview in a response to you above.
 
He's a top five flopping dildo...
Flopping is part of the game today. You just can't compare players today to yesteryears players. The game today is totally different.

Do you think there is a guard in today's style of NBA that would have the same seccess in yesteryears NBA?

 
Flopping is part of the game today. You just can't compare players today to yesteryears players. The game today is totally different.

Do you think there is a guard in today's style of NBA that would have the same seccess in yesteryears NBA?



Bot malfunction!!

Look at BUCK WILLIAMS FLOP... Here at :49

 
Flopping is part of the game today. You just can't compare players today to yesteryears players. The game today is totally different.

Do you think there is a guard in today's style of NBA that would have the same seccess in yesteryears NBA?


And that makes me wrong how?
 
Perhaps it's too soon after last night's game to be asking this question, and perhaps it's too early in his career for this to be a consideration, but I've started to wonder where Harden ranks on the NBA's all-time list of shooting guards. Jordan is obviously the clear #1, but after him arguments can be made for Jerry West, Clyde Drexler, Kobe Bryant, and Dwyane Wade. So I wonder, where does Harden fit in with that group?

http://bkref.com/tiny/gohdB

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Obviously Harden has quite a way to go to catch the others in terms of cumulative stats, but his per-game numbers measure up comparably. He outpaces Wade and Drexler in ppg, leads all but West in apg, is behind only Jordan and Wade in 2p%, and has the best 3p% and efg% of the group. Also notable that he has the most TO/g of the group.

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Looking at the "normalized" stats again shows he belongs in this discussion. Scoring figures are right on par with West and Kobe, has the most assists/36, and (not surprisingly) also has the most FTA/36 (interesting to see how far below the others Clyde is on FTA). Also has the best net rating of any SG not named Jordan, and takes the fewest shots (of course benefiting from the 3-point shot). The advanced stats also speak well of him, putting him behind Jordan and Wade in PER, behind only Jordan in WS/48 and BPM, and tops of the group in TS% and Ast%.

I don't like to admit it, but while Kobe/West are probably 2-3 (in whichever order you prefer), I think that at the age of 28, Harden is already basically neck-and-neck with Wade and Clyde. If the Rockets win a title this year--a nauseatingly real possibility--I think his position on that list is undeniable, and he'll have a chance to be the 2nd-best SG in NBA history by the time all is said and done.
I see you're assuming defense doesn't matter.
 
People really need to stop saying this... Kobe isn't a rapist. He was accused of rape. He did NOT rape her. And yes I'm defending Kobe because the truth matters.

Read his interview with police:

Curious: do you think that what he said in an interview with police is sufficient to settle whether or not he raped someone?
 
Kobe strangles women against their consent to get off. There, that’s factual and meets the needs of Kobe defenders.
 
Kobe strangles women against their consent to get off. There, that’s factual and meets the needs of Kobe defenders.

That's not what was against consent. Whether you choose to believe it or not, it was the face jizzing...
 

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