Is it bad that I want them to keep losing to force change?

[James lamphear]

The problem with our offense there know balance of opportunities for players to score this one reason Dame gets double all the time and sometimes CJ because they call there own numbers all the time. This why teams try to take Dame out of the game because he going try to find away to get his 20 plus shots up a night and same CJ going find ways to get his 20 plus shots up. This make the other players get know rythem within the offense. You also got bigs can score inside but there hardly get that opportunity so there know inside game. Harkless said best he not out there just to run up and down the court is know track star and got bench for that comment. Stotts say best the other night we must try to make easier to find Dame shots right there those comments probably didn't go well with the rest of the team even though they might not say anything about it. If you really look at CJ and Dame are admired around the league but being admired and come play with them it's two different things I am not saying this the reason why we can't get high profile players to come to played for us but if I was those type player and recruited by this team i would have to consider that especially when to guys putting 40 plus shots a game if I really want play next to them and then go down the other end they give half effort on there end. Yes I believe Stotts need to go you can't have coach that caters to 2 to 3 players and then others players you jump on there ass or take someone out because they miss a shot while the other 3 players been missing all night long. Bottom line 2 to 3 things need to happen this off season to shake things up Stotts needs to be fire and CJ needs to be traded because I just don't think Dame would traded but those 2 guys needs to split up plus they already proof they can win without CJ. Melo had great career but he really starting to show his age he needs not sign again.

 

[HailBlazers]

I don't think i've been this down about our team in years. Even last year, there was some semblance of hope while we had our shit record because we were without Nurk.

this is just snowballing. and i'm so tired of our coach's inability to do even the most basic thing. desperately need change.

Grew up on Blazer cable. Had season tickets during the jail Blazer era. Haven't truly watched a game all season. Sad because I do really like the roster.

Its like a beautiful, but abusive significant other. Not going back until the head (coach) is swapped out.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

The problem with our offense there know balance of opportunities for players to score this one reason Dame gets double all the time and sometimes CJ because they call there own numbers all the time. This why teams try to take Dame out of the game because he going try to find away to get his 20 plus shots up a night and same CJ going find ways to get his 20 plus shots up. This make the other players get know rythem within the offense. You also got bigs can score inside but there hardly get that opportunity so there know inside game. Harkless said best he not out there just to run up and down the court is know track star and got bench for that comment. Stotts say best the other night we must try to make easier to find Dame shots right there those comments probably didn't go well with the rest of the team even though they might not say anything about it. If you really look at CJ and Dame are admired around the league but being admired and come play with them it's two different things I am not saying this the reason why we can't get high profile players to come to played for us but if I was those type player and recruited by this team i would have to consider that especially when to guys putting 40 plus shots a game if I really want play next to them and then go down the other end they give half effort on there end. Yes I believe Stotts need to go you can't have coach that caters to 2 to 3 players and then others players you jump on there ass or take someone out because they miss a shot while the other 3 players been missing all night long. Bottom line 2 to 3 things need to happen this off season to shake things up Stotts needs to be fire and CJ needs to be traded because I just don't think Dame would traded but those 2 guys needs to split up plus they already proof they can win without CJ. Melo had great career but he really starting to show his age he needs not sign again.

This is the product of using the voice transcription function on a phone and I refuse to make my brain hurt trying to read it.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Even Dame is looking bad at the moment.

 

[PCmor7]

No other small market teams have done it... It's not easy. At all.

Is Portland smaller than San Antonio? I know Toronto is a larger market, but it won with a lot of different challenges.

Portland has its own challenges, but I'm just wondering what the odds are that a team in that situation can win when its potential is largely built around a superstar point guard whose best skill is making a shot from 15 feet deeper than he has to make it for it to count the same. I'm not even getting into whether we won't trade CJ or Nurk because Dame wouldn't like it ... I don't know Dame and have no idea how he'd react to that. I don't know if the reason Stotts still is here is because Dame made it clear that he wants him or not.

I'm seeing it more like this: Judging by how non-competitive we've been this year with better teams, it suggests we're a lot farther from the NBA finals than we were two years ago. Is there a good reason to think this organization is on the rise, or, does it look more likely it's in the decline? Are the Blazers trying to get to the finals or are they happier just making the playoffs every year or are we just content being the new version of the New Orleans Jazz where we aren't good but we have one really exciting, likable superstar?

These are the tough questions that need answered.

If the goal is to win, and to win big, how are we going to do that? Everyone's disappointed with Stotts, but let's be real, who out there is such a great coach that we can get that makes this team 20 points better against the Jazz, Clippers, Nuggets and Bucks? Sure, Olshey probably has proven he isn't the GM that can make the Blazers big winners; his strengths fit a big market team ... he doesn't know how to attract good fits to a playoff team with a Hall of Fame point guard. He can't sell Portland's positives to free agents who would be difference-makers for us.

So now what do we have to acquire those difference-makers? Maybe I'm being hyperbolic, but I went to bed thinking this looked like a team in a death spiral, that had tread water as long as it could and was starting to sink. After a good night's sleep, I woke up feeling the same thing. Could the Blazers get for RoCo what they gave up for him? Could the Blazers get for Norman Powell what they gave up for him? Could the Blazers get for CJ what his value dictates we should get for him? Nurk -- I think he's played himself into being an enigma, and an average one at that ... I don't think his head is in basketball, which is fine, but the Blazers have tied stakes to his ability to produce, and he doesn't do that more than once every three or four games.

And here's the big question: Hypothetically, could the Blazers get for Dame what the Thunder got for Paul George or the Pelicans got for AD?

Because we as Blazers fans ultimately have to ask that tough question about what we're playing for, what we're watching for, what would make us happy, and whether we can do that with Dame here for another 7 years or whether maybe sending Dame somewhere else puts us closer to our goal and maybe even works out better for him. I've seen him beaten up. I've seen him looking frustrated. I've seen him trying to do too much and making mistakes as a result. And I'm not being ungrateful for all he's done and he's been fantastic as a player and a face to a franchise, but he's also a shoot-first, 6-2 player and right from the start that puts pressure on us to have to be better in certain ways at other positions and I'm just not sure we have the resources to do that and the people in the organization to find the pieces to make that happen. And we can blame Stotts and Olshey and CJ all we want and they aren't perfect, but we can plug and play a lot of other qualified people in their positions and I don't know that it moves the needle at all.

 

[PCmor7]

It's really tough when you like a lot of these players, you like the fans, you like the organization but you know, when you're at your most honest with yourself, you know these players, maybe individually, maybe as a unit, just aren't winning anything important.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Is Portland smaller than San Antonio? I know Toronto is a larger market, but it won with a lot of different challenges.

Portland has its own challenges, but I'm just wondering what the odds are that a team in that situation can win when its potential is largely built around a superstar point guard whose best skill is making a shot from 15 feet deeper than he has to make it for it to count the same. I'm not even getting into whether we won't trade CJ or Nurk because Dame wouldn't like it ... I don't know Dame and have no idea how he'd react to that. I don't know if the reason Stotts still is here is because Dame made it clear that he wants him or not.

I'm seeing it more like this: Judging by how non-competitive we've been this year with better teams, it suggests we're a lot farther from the NBA finals than we were two years ago. Is there a good reason to think this organization is on the rise, or, does it look more likely it's in the decline? Are the Blazers trying to get to the finals or are they happier just making the playoffs every year or are we just content being the new version of the New Orleans Jazz where we aren't good but we have one really exciting, likable superstar?

These are the tough questions that need answered.

If the goal is to win, and to win big, how are we going to do that? Everyone's disappointed with Stotts, but let's be real, who out there is such a great coach that we can get that makes this team 20 points better against the Jazz, Clippers, Nuggets and Bucks? Sure, Olshey probably has proven he isn't the GM that can make the Blazers big winners; his strengths fit a big market team ... he doesn't know how to attract good fits to a playoff team with a Hall of Fame point guard. He can't sell Portland's positives to free agents who would be difference-makers for us.

So now what do we have to acquire those difference-makers? Maybe I'm being hyperbolic, but I went to bed thinking this looked like a team in a death spiral, that had tread water as long as it could and was starting to sink. After a good night's sleep, I woke up feeling the same thing. Could the Blazers get for RoCo what they gave up for him? Could the Blazers get for Norman Powell what they gave up for him? Could the Blazers get for CJ what his value dictates we should get for him? Nurk -- I think he's played himself into being an enigma, and an average one at that ... I don't think his head is in basketball, which is fine, but the Blazers have tied stakes to his ability to produce, and he doesn't do that more than once every three or four games.

And here's the big question: Hypothetically, could the Blazers get for Dame what the Thunder got for Paul George or the Pelicans got for AD?

Because we as Blazers fans ultimately have to ask that tough question about what we're playing for, what we're watching for, what would make us happy, and whether we can do that with Dame here for another 7 years or whether maybe sending Dame somewhere else puts us closer to our goal and maybe even works out better for him. I've seen him beaten up. I've seen him looking frustrated. I've seen him trying to do too much and making mistakes as a result. And I'm not being ungrateful for all he's done and he's been fantastic as a player and a face to a franchise, but he's also a shoot-first, 6-2 player and right from the start that puts pressure on us to have to be better in certain ways at other positions and I'm just not sure we have the resources to do that and the people in the organization to find the pieces to make that happen. And we can blame Stotts and Olshey and CJ all we want and they aren't perfect, but we can plug and play a lot of other qualified people in their positions and I don't know that it moves the needle at all.

It's tough on small markets. Top players don't usually want to be in small markets with long wet seasons.

It's hard. Stotts coached teams have been pretty good about beating the teams we are more talented than in the playoffs. And even beaten a few we were not more talented than.

To get better we'll have to trade for top talent. Top talent will not choose Portland over a larger market.

It's a tough job.

 

[Phatguysrule]

It's really tough when you like a lot of these players, you like the fans, you like the organization but you know, when you're at your most honest with yourself, you know these players, maybe individually, maybe as a unit, just aren't winning anything important.

Most teams aren't winning anything important the way the NBA is currently set up.

 

[Chris Craig]

It's tough on small markets. Top players don't usually want to be in small markets with long wet seasons.

It's hard. Stotts coached teams have been pretty good about beating the teams we are more talented than in the playoffs. And even beaten a few we were not more talented than.

To get better we'll have to trade for top talent. Top talent will not choose Portland over a larger market.

It's a tough job.

Isn't Utah a Small Market? They are winning, using mainly the draft and hiring a quality coach.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Isn't Utah a Small Market? They are winning, using mainly the draft and hiring a quality coach.

Yep, they're doing well.
Let's see if they win a title. It's been since 07/08 since they've seen the WCF.

Swept out of 2nd round in 2017 and gentlemen swept 2018. Gentlemen Sept first round 2019, lost first round in 7 games 2020.

Looks pretty familiar...

 

[tester551]

If the goal is to win, and to win big, how are we going to do that?

Every thing you just posted falls apart because of this faulty premise.
I don't believe the primary goal of the organization is to win and win big.... It's goal is to win just enough to have continued fan support.

 

[PCmor7]

Every thing you just posted falls apart because of this faulty premise.
I don't believe the primary goal of the organization is to win and win big.... It's goal is to win just enough to have continued fan support.

I thought I said that was one of the possible goals. Not disputing what you are contending, though. Just pointing out that I never eliminated it from the possibilities.

Of course, the law of diminishing returns will come into play at some point, and it's looking like that might happen sooner rather than later.

 

[Freshtown]

We need to continue to tank, because we need a lottery pick to package with CJ for something good. Let’s keep the losing going!

 

[AldoTrapani]

We need to continue to tank, because we need a lottery pick to package with CJ for something good. Let’s keep the losing going!

Thank you!!!