Is this a hate crime? Part 2

[magnifier661]

You make the fines based upon income. The more you make the more you pay.

How do you deter the millionaire from speeding with a $250 ticket?

Take their license away for too many speeding tickets. Doesn't matter how much money you make, you can't buy your license back

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I sat in on a town forum regarding this subject. I ABSOLUTELY agree with you, but it does raise money to help pay for shit. How do you replace that? Higher fines?

Swedish Speed-Camera Pays Drivers to Slow Down

In January, Kevin Richardson won Volkswagen’s The Fun Theory, a contest for ideas to make obeying speed-limits fun. Now, less than a year later, his entry is in use in Stockholm, Sweden.

Is it possible to make road-safety fun? Yes, it turns out. Kevin’s idea is both smart and simple. As well as ticketing you when you run through a speed-radar too fast, Kevin’s “Speed Camera Lottery” also notices you when you come in at or under the speed-limit. It then automatically enters you in a lottery. And here’s the really smart part: the prizes come from the fines paid by speeders.

This would probably never work in the U.S, where speeding fines and red-light cameras exist as revenue streams for the police rather than as deterrents to bad driving, but the Swedish National Society for Road Safety, which worked with Kevin, has found it to be a success. The average speed of cars passing the camera dropped from 32km/h before the experiment to 25km/h after.

http://www.wired.com/2010/12/swedish-speed-camera-pays-drivers-to-slow-down/

 

[Mediocre Man]

You make the fines based upon income. The more you make the more you pay.

How do you deter the millionaire from speeding with a $250 ticket?

This makes no sense to me. So I go to school for 4-10 years, have hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of student loans and I should pay more for the exact same offense as a drop out working at Mcdonalds, or someone on welfare?

 

[Mediocre Man]

I think it's because most of Texas is filled with God fearing conservatives

Oh boy. All except Austin

 

[Denny Crane]

I don't think cops were liked since the Prohibition era

I respect them but I don't necessarily like them. My experiences with cops have mostly been negative. Traffic tickets and the like.

 

[dviss1]

This makes no sense to me. So I go to school for 4-10 years, have hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of student loans and I should pay more for the exact same offense as a drop out working at Mcdonalds, or someone on welfare?

If the reason for the fine is to deter speeding, how do you deter a rich person with a small fine?
Maybe a fine shouldn't be the penalty. However deterring speeding is the goal. So, a $250 fine means much more to a person working at Mickey D's than it does to the hedge fund manager. How do you stop the Hedge fund Manager or Fucking Justin Beiber from going 136 down the road?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/justin-bieber-speeding-136mph-lambo-3127940

 

[dviss1]

Swedish Speed-Camera Pays Drivers to Slow Down

In January, Kevin Richardson won Volkswagen’s The Fun Theory, a contest for ideas to make obeying speed-limits fun. Now, less than a year later, his entry is in use in Stockholm, Sweden.

Is it possible to make road-safety fun? Yes, it turns out. Kevin’s idea is both smart and simple. As well as ticketing you when you run through a speed-radar too fast, Kevin’s “Speed Camera Lottery” also notices you when you come in at or under the speed-limit. It then automatically enters you in a lottery. And here’s the really smart part: the prizes come from the fines paid by speeders.

This would probably never work in the U.S, where speeding fines and red-light cameras exist as revenue streams for the police rather than as deterrents to bad driving, but the Swedish National Society for Road Safety, which worked with Kevin, has found it to be a success. The average speed of cars passing the camera dropped from 32km/h before the experiment to 25km/h after.

http://www.wired.com/2010/12/swedish-speed-camera-pays-drivers-to-slow-down/

OMG that is fucking AWESOME. But.. but.. that's SOCIALISM!!!! :MARIS61:

 

[magnifier661]

OMG that is fucking AWESOME. But.. but.. that's SOCIALISM!!!! :MARIS61:

Fuck socialism!

 

[SlyPokerDog]

OMG that is fucking AWESOME. But.. but.. that's SOCIALISM!!!! :MARIS61:

No, it's a lottery. 'Murica loves lotteries!

 

[3RA1N1AC]

How has it taken these idiots this long to realize the tax benefits?

Never mind that, the money saved on not arresting them, sending them to court, or incarcerating offenders is the real windfall.

 

[magnifier661]

Never mind that, the money saved on not arresting them, sending them to court, or incarcerating offenders is the real windfall.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/04/marijuana-arrests-cost-racially-biased_n_3385756.html

States together spent somewhere around $3.6 billion enforcing marijuana possession laws in 2010, according to a new study by the American Civil Liberties Union, entitled “The War On Marijuana In Black and White.” That's the authors' "best estimate," though approximations using different methodologies put the cost as high as $6 billion and as low as $1.2 billion.

 

[magnifier661]

Here are some most startling numbers from the ACLU’s report with regards to the cost of enforcing marijuana laws:

$20 billion: The amount states will spend enforcing marijuana laws over the next six years.

$900: The minimum per-capita cost spent by California, Nevada and Washington on criminal justice for marijuana offenders.

$750: The low-level estimate that states pay for each marijuana arrest.

$95: The national average per-diem cost of housing an inmate arrested due to a marijuana-related offense.

$2: The average amount communities spend each day on marijuana supervision.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

But think of all the poor cops who will lose their jobs! (That's a good thing, btw)

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Then pay them more.

They make 6 figures here from what I'm told.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

Sigh.... I don't even know what you're talking about. But I'll say this:

I lived in SW Portland (Multhomah Village area) which is a pretty diverse area of town. NO police contact. Ever.

In the year and change that I've lived in conservative ass Milwaukie, I've been pulled over 6x. 5 of which did not result in any ticket. Jut the fucking cop asking me where the fuck I'm going and what I'm doing. Yes DWB does happen and has happened to me multiple times. How do you mean both ways? Also, saying it "happens both ways" is a way to just deflect against an problem we have with it disproportionately happening to us. This is a violation through and through of our 4th amendment rights.

Please just look at the stop and frisk numbers and gain perspective:

http://www.nyclu.org/content/stop-and-frisk-data

• In 2013, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 191,558 times.
  169,252 were totally innocent (88 percent).
  104,958 were black (56 percent).
  55,191 were Latino (29 percent).
  20,877 were white (11 percent).
• In 2014, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 46,235 times.
  38,051 were totally innocent (82 percent).
  24,777 were black (55 percent).
  12,662 were Latino (29 percent).
  5,536 were white (12 percent).
• In the first quarter of 2015, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 7,135 times.
  5,857 were totally innocent (82 percent).
  3,693 were black (53 percent).
  2,123 were Latino (30 percent).
  864 were white (12 percent).

while i agree that the guy in the video is excessive for a purse snatching i'd respectfully debate DWB. im white and when i was younger was pulled over at 6am coming home from the gym with my gf because i "rolled through a stop sign" (I didnt) and 3 cop cars pulled up and 4 officers stood outside my car with hands on their pistols ready to draw while the female officer that made the stop ran my license.

ive been pulled over for "looking drunk" because my truck has shitty alignment and oregon roads are terribly rutted. ive been stopped at night on my way home from getting a burrito for head light being out and asked where im going, like that fucking matters. (i had the new head light on the passenger seat to put in in the morning)

none of these stops ended up in a ticket and i dont feel any were motivated by anything other than cops being bored wanting to fuck with someone.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

While I agree that Leos should have college degrees and psyche tests, I feel sympathy for them for all the shit they have to deal with. Plenty of them are risking their lives day in and out to keep people safe, and all they hear about anymore is how much people hate them. People constantly are disrespecting them and treating them like shit. Hearing that repeatedly is going to affect basically anyone.

some people enjoy it. nothing makes me laugh harder than the crazy shit people call me just because there's a badge on my chest. hell 9 times out of 10 baby sitting a drunk is less annoying than dealing with my shitty coworkers.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

as for "hate crime" i think the term sucks. if i commit a crime against you it shouldn't matter what color your skin is vs mine. i should be in trouble because i committed a crime.

i dont give a shit if it's a black white yellow or purple man that punched me in the mouth, i care that they assaulted me and should be locked up for not being able to function in society. (although asians probably dont have the reach to punch my mouth, amirite mags?)

all the term "hate crime" does is keep us in a state of always thinking about race instead of getting the fuck over it and just being people.

 

[dviss1]

while i agree that the guy in the video is excessive for a purse snatching i'd respectfully debate DWB. im white and when i was younger was pulled over at 6am coming home from the gym with my gf because i "rolled through a stop sign" (I didnt) and 3 cop cars pulled up and 4 officers stood outside my car with hands on their pistols ready to draw while the female officer that made the stop ran my license.

ive been pulled over for "looking drunk" because my truck has shitty alignment and oregon roads are terribly rutted. ive been stopped at night on my way home from getting a burrito for head light being out and asked where im going, like that fucking matters. (i had the new head light on the passenger seat to put in in the morning)

none of these stops ended up in a ticket and i dont feel any were motivated by anything other than cops being bored wanting to fuck with someone.

Your small sample size is not indicative of the larger problem. Please go look at the stop and frisk numbers are posted above. They speak for themselves.

 

[dviss1]

While I agree that Leos should have college degrees and psyche tests, I feel sympathy for them for all the shit they have to deal with. Plenty of them are risking their lives day in and out to keep people safe, and all they hear about anymore is how much people hate them. People constantly are disrespecting them and treating them like shit. Hearing that repeatedly is going to affect basically anyone.

They should be paid way more. Including Hazard Pay. They deserve it. An LEO who's paid more would be less able to corrupt as a well.

 

[dviss1]

They make 6 figures here from what I'm told.

Per Google:

As of 2011, police and highway patrol officers earned an average of $27.05 an hour and $56,260 a year. Half of all police and highway patrol officers made between $19.77 and$33.65 an hour and between $41,110 and$69,990 a year, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

NBA referees START at 110K annually....

Let that sink in for a moment...

 

[Hobbesarable]

Per Google:

As of 2011, police and highway patrol officers earned an average of $27.05 an hour and $56,260 a year. Half of all police and highway patrol officers made between $19.77 and$33.65 an hour and between $41,110 and$69,990 a year, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

NBA referees START at 110K annually....

Let that sink in for a moment...

Then compare that with K-12 public school teachers.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

No wonder teachers and cops suck so much, they get paid shit, son.

cops always beatin' us down and shit
teachers be raping everyone and shit

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Per Google:

As of 2011, police and highway patrol officers earned an average of $27.05 an hour and $56,260 a year. Half of all police and highway patrol officers made between $19.77 and$33.65 an hour and between $41,110 and$69,990 a year, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

NBA referees START at 110K annually....

Let that sink in for a moment...

They make that plus what David Stern let them get from the mob.

 

[MARIS61]

This makes no sense to me. So I go to school for 4-10 years, have hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of student loans and I should pay more for the exact same offense as a drop out working at Mcdonalds, or someone on welfare?

Hardly, he's clearly taking home more than you are.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

Your small sample size is not indicative of the larger problem. Please go look at the stop and frisk numbers are posted above. They speak for themselves.

all im saying is i need reparations

 

[dviss1]

all im saying is i need reparations

 

[rasheedfan2005]

Im not going to pretend racism doesn't exist. I live in the south, I see it from multiple races everyday. There are parts of the county id likely be killed for being white. What I dont get is how that isnt a "hate crime?"

 

[Mediocre Man]

Hardly, he's clearly taking home more than you are.

Because I'm taxed like a mother to pay for the welfare? That makes sense. His idea doesnt though

 

[dviss1]

Because I'm taxed like a mother to pay for the welfare? That makes sense. His idea doesnt though

That's not what your "taxed like a mother" to pay. You're taxed like a mother to pay for War, and unwarranted subsidies.

 

[dviss1]

Im not going to pretend racism doesn't exist. I live in the south, I see it from multiple races everyday. There are parts of the county id likely be killed for being white. What I dont get is how that isnt a "hate crime?"

Yeah right...

And it's not a hate crime IMO because there is no clear indication of why the girl is being treated with such force. She did steal a purse. Now if he were shouting racial slurs while this was happening it would be way different. It's a crime but not a clear indication of a hate crime.