Is This the New Atheist Website?

[MarAzul]

Atheism doesn't work because God is necessary for the well being of men. Jesus knew this as well as all the great leaders of history. Our own Thomas Jefferson told us precisely why it is true, We are endowed by our creator
with unalienable rights. Who the hell else would you put in charge of rights? Surely no man is trustworthy of caring for your rights. No way would you look to a man to pass them out. We go out of our way to setup a system for many men to follow just to protect our rights. A system of checks and balances to control men in the protection of our rights, none of these men meet the standard needed to pass them out, that is creator work, awe inspiring work, we call him god.

The great leaders all knew these truths, only the despots of history said there was no god. The reasons why are obvious, they need you to see them as instead of truth. You are easy to use in the dark.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

ahh yeah..lol oh the irony just drips. I almost always agree with his takes, and the few that I do not see eye to eye, I still have no problem respecting his reasoning..

as an aside..only thirty days? hahahha ok, whatever.

I'm being perfectly honest with you but in looking over the mod logs the vast majority of threads and posts being flagged and complained about are coming from the NY forums. Those fucks seem to be beating the shit out of each other over there.

I wish you guys would PM me more about posts. Bodyman just said some pretty vile things to Crandc for no reason at all and no one said a thing about it.

Also, being 100% honest again the last PM I've gotten about a post was from someone being concerned for me because of how mean and rude I was being to Denny.

 

[magnifier661]

No, the whole point is that believers disbelieve on the "other" gods. Atheist disbelieve in all of the so-called gods.

No. So a shark is not a meat eater because it doesn't eat cows? Lmao

 

[MarAzul]

In an unmailed answer to a questionnaire, Gödel described his religion as "baptized Lutheran (but not member of any religious congregation). My belief is theistic, not pantheistic, following Leibniz rather than Spinoza."[23] Describing religion(s) in general, Gödel said: "Religions are, for the most part, bad—but religion is not".[24] About Islam he said: "I like Islam, it is a consistent [or consequential] idea of religion and open-minded."[25]

You deflect sir.

I know of his take on Islam and why, he never read the Koran so he knew the least about that religion. But his logic and his math still stand on the faith required.

 

[Denny Crane]

You deflect sir.

I know of his take on Islam and why, he never read the Koran so he knew the least about that religion. But his logic and his math still stand on the faith required.

I don't think you are describing what he talked about correctly at all.

He had some modal logic proof that god exists, but it doesn't prove he exists after all.

It says nothing about atheism or belief at all.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

ahh yeah..lol oh the irony just drips. I almost always agree with his takes, and the few that I do not see eye to eye, I still have no problem respecting his reasoning..

as an aside..only thirty days? hahahha ok, whatever.

could have been the marijuana thread

 

[MarAzul]

I don't think you are describing what he talked about correctly at all.

He had some modal logic proof that god exists, but it doesn't prove he exists after all.

It says nothing about atheism or belief at all.

Correct is says nothing about atheism or used the word. It is about belief that life can begin without a creator as taking more faith. I took the liberty of assigning that the atheist position.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

could have been the marijuana thread

http://sportstwo.com/threads/268067-Impeachment?p=3408808#post3408808

 

[DaLincolnJones]

http://sportstwo.com/threads/268067-Impeachment?p=3408808#post3408808

Hahahahaaha damn Sly, you are a master..

 

[DaLincolnJones]

I'm being perfectly honest with you but in looking over the mod logs the vast majority of threads and posts being flagged and complained about are coming from the NY forums. Those fucks seem to be beating the shit out of each other over there.

I wish you guys would PM me more about posts. Bodyman just said some pretty vile things to Crandc for no reason at all and no one said a thing about it.

Also, being 100% honest again the last PM I've gotten about a post was from someone being concerned for me because of how mean and rude I was being to Denny.

I dont doubt your honesty..I must have misunderstood a conversation had some while back..may be a year? It is of little concern, my friend

As far as Crandc..with all due respect, she gives as well or better than she gets..I feel no reason to even involve myself in most of her rants lol

Yeah I can understand this, you are always ranking on Denny hahahahhahahhahahaa

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I dont doubt your honesty..I must have misunderstood a conversation had some while back..may be a year? It is of little concern, my friend

As far as Crandc..with all due respect, she gives as well or better than she gets..I feel no reason to even involve myself in most of her rants lol

Yeah I can understand this, you are always ranking on Denny hahahahhahahhahahaa

From a mod point of view Crandc is opinionated and passionate about her opinions but she doesn't insult people.

 

[crowTrobot]

Atheism doesn't work because God is necessary for the well being of men. Jesus knew this as well as all the great leaders of history. Our own Thomas Jefferson told us precisely why it is true, We are endowed by our creator
with unalienable rights. Who the hell else would you put in charge of rights? Surely no man is trustworthy of caring for your rights. No way would you look to a man to pass them out. We go out of our way to setup a system for many men to follow just to protect our rights. A system of checks and balances to control men in the protection of our rights, none of these men meet the standard needed to pass them out, that is creator work, awe inspiring work, we call him god.

It's quite easy to imagine humans as animals in a God-free universe who feel like they have unalienable rights even though it's a meaningless concept, because that feeling of anthropocentric entitlement is a beneficial evolutionary adaptation.

 

[Denny Crane]

Unalienable rights are like fear of height. You're just born with them. No creator necessary.

 

[crowTrobot]

Unalienable rights are like fear of height. You're just born with them. No creator necessary.

I think when people talk about unalienable rights they are actually just referring to their feelings and desires, not picturing some coherent concept of "rights" as an objective property of themselves (if that's even possible). This is similar to, or in a way the same thing as moral non-cognitivism.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Wait, you mean it has nothing to do with aliens?!? When did this happen?

 

[Denny Crane]

I think when people talk about unalienable rights they are actually just referring to their feelings and desires, not picturing some coherent concept of "rights" as an objective property of themselves (if that's even possible). This is similar to, or in a way the same thing as moral non-cognitivism.

Unalienable rights can not be taken away. I don't know any way to express what they are than to say you're born with them. Like fear of heights or love of chocolate (if you do love it, that is).

 

[crowTrobot]

Unalienable rights can not be taken away. I don't know any way to express what they are than to say you're born with them.

You can't express what they are because (IMO) you're psychologically referring to feeling of entitlement, not picturing rights as an actual objective property humans possess, like male/female. I don't think rights can even be a meaningful concept without some sort of (subjective) justification.

 

[Denny Crane]

You can't express what they are because (IMO) you're psychologically referring to feeling of entitlement, not picturing rights as an actual objective property humans possess, like male/female. I don't think rights can even be a meaningful concept without some sort of (subjective) justification.

Of course they can. People like sex. I don't think that's a feeling of entitlement or anything psychological. Yet it's a pursuit of happiness.

 

[crowTrobot]

Of course they can. People like sex. I don't think that's a feeling of entitlement or anything psychological. Yet it's a pursuit of happiness.

Ok but try to parse what you really mean when you stipulate that humans have the "right" to a pursuit of happiness (without referring to subjective justification).

You FEEL like you do, but why actually do you?

 

[barfo]

Unalienable rights can not be taken away. I don't know any way to express what they are than to say you're born with them. Like fear of heights or love of chocolate (if you do love it, that is).

Many people develop a fear of heights later in life. Probably that's true of chocolate too, but I don't know for sure.

barfo

 

[magnifier661]

Many people develop a fear of heights later in life. Probably that's true of chocolate too, but I don't know for sure.

barfo

100% accurate for me. When I was younger, I wanted to jump off cliffs, roofs or anything crazy. Now I get we weary walking down a staircase.

 

[Denny Crane]

100% accurate for me. When I was younger, I wanted to jump off cliffs, roofs or anything crazy. Now I get we weary walking down a staircase.

You wouldn't jump off a cliff without a parachute to rocks far below. Because you are born with the fear you'd die if you did so.

 

[magnifier661]

You wouldn't jump off a cliff without a parachute to rocks far below. Because you are born with the fear you'd die if you did so.

Ahhhhh okay I see what you are saying now. A survival instinct?

 

[Denny Crane]

Ok but try to parse what you really mean when you stipulate that humans have the "right" to a pursuit of happiness (without referring to subjective justification).

You FEEL like you do, but why actually do you?

These are rights not given by government or other people. They're not something between your ears that you reason into existence.

You have the right to breathe the air.

 

[Denny Crane]

Ahhhhh okay I see what you are saying now. A survival instinct?

Something you're born with. I used fear of heights as an example, as it's an obvious one. Nobody granted you the fear somehow.

 

[barfo]

You wouldn't jump off a cliff without a parachute to rocks far below. Because you are born with the fear you'd die if you did so.

I'm not sure that's true either. I don't think babies know what will kill them and what won't. You could argue that they are born afraid of everything, and gradually learn not to be afraid of some things, but I don't think you can make a good argument that they have a fear of cliff diving specifically.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

I'm not sure that's true either. I don't think babies know what will kill them and what won't. You could argue that they are born afraid of everything, and gradually learn not to be afraid of some things, but I don't think you can make a good argument that they have a fear of cliff diving specifically.

barfo

If someone sneaks up on you and yells "boo!" you might be startled. That's something you're born with, too.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

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[barfo]

If someone sneaks up on you and yells "boo!" you might be startled. That's something you're born with, too.

Ok, that one seems at least plausible.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Ok, that one seems at least plausible.

barfo

Do you have a pet? If so, you think he's intelligent or do you think he won't jump off a 10 story building because he is scared of heights?