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He doesn't talk like a rambling geezer. It seems you haven't watched him talk.

Clinton was the alternative, but nobody would have talked about her dementia, no matter how bad it was.

He certainly does! Dude contradicts himself daily, like he forgot what he just said. He truly seems like he is fading mentally. And the tweets are like an old dude yelling at clouds. Whatever he heard on Fox News is the truth, until it isn't. He seems....confused?

And of course I would have said the same about her. She's a pants shitter too. Probably worse honestly.
 
Oldest president to ever take office, rambling incoherent speeches, forgets what he just said, zero impulse control, has his own set of "facts" that he "heard on the internet"...

Nothing to see here! Lol
 
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He certainly does! Dude contradicts himself daily, like he forgot what he just said. He truly seems like he is fading mentally. And the tweets are like an old dude yelling at clouds. Whatever he heard on Fox News is the truth, until it isn't. He seems....confused?

And of course I would have said the same about her. She's a pants shitter too. Probably worse honestly.

He's not a polished politician. His speeches have tended to be a political monologue, even funny much of the time. He's been reading from a teleprompter almost exclusively for weeks, and it's painfully obvious that he's reading and not speaking from the heart. When he does break from the script, he's been warm and brief and no signs of anything wrong with him.

It's easy for CNN and other similar biased sources to cobble together very short clips to show he contradicts himself, but even that isn't "daily" and it isn't necessarily contradiction. The media knows it but outright lies anyway.

Shit happens and he has to adjust, which he's done. I don't find fault with him being optimistic about being able to get his agenda done (much of which I don't agree with).

I don't really like him much, but when looking at the obvious partisan attempt to destroy him and people around him, why not point that out?

The media may have spiked the football at the 5 yard line. In their haste to celebrate the failure to fix ObamaCare, they now have to backtrack and make a lot of bullshit about it not happening in the first 100 days. They declared it dead, but republicans have been refining their bill and it will come to another vote.

Instead of jumping on the bandwagon of clearly partisan shrinks, why not look at the ethics of what they're doing, and whether they actually can diagnose him. And you and Rasta are professional shrinks?

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/24/health/trump-mental-illness-professionals-question-goldwater-rule/

The United States' major mental health associations -- including the American Psychiatric Association, which claims to be the largest psychiatric association in the world -- are warning members not to wade into the debate, but some prominent doctors have done just that, publicly voicing concerns and questioning the very ethics of their profession.

Psychologists and psychiatrists have codes of ethics that discourage them from giving professional opinions about the mental health of a person who has disclosed information about himself or herself through the media but whom they have not examined personally. They also need authorization from that person to share that opinion.

For the psychiatrists, it's all spelled out in section 7.3 of the American Psychiatry Association's code of ethics,a set of guiding best-practice principles for members -- who make up most licensed psychiatrists. The section is informally known as the "Goldwater Rule" because it came about after what the association's president calls a "very public ethical misstep" by psychiatrists who answered a survey about another Republican, presidential candidate Barry Goldwater.

Details about the survey were published in a pre-election 1964 article in a now-defunct magazine called Fact. Of the 2,417 psychiatrists who answered the survey, the majority concluded that Goldwater was "psychologically unfit" to be president.

In the 38 pages of psychiatrists' comments, some said they could not diagnose him "by merely observing him on TV or reading what he writes," but those who were critical of Goldwater labeled the candidate in unflattering terms, calling him a "dangerous lunatic," "paranoid" and a "counterfeit figure of a masculine man." Some accused him of having an "impulsive quality," said he was "emotionally too unstable" and said he had a "Godlike self-image."

After Goldwater lost the election, he sued the magazine's editor for libel and won his case. The editor appealed the decision all the way to the Supreme Court, but the justices declined to hear it. In one of the two dissenting opinions, Justice Hugo Black wrote that "the public has an unqualified right to have the character and fitness of anyone who aspires to the Presidency held up for the closest scrutiny."

That "closest scrutiny" shouldn't come from psychiatrists who did not evaluate the figure in person, the American Psychiatric Association decided, and in 1973, the Goldwater Rule became a part of its code of ethics.

The rule states: "On occasion psychiatrists are asked for an opinion about an individual who is in the light of public attention or who has disclosed information about himself/herself through public media. In such circumstances, a psychiatrist may share with the public his or her expertise about psychiatric issues in general. However, it is unethical for a psychiatrist to offer a professional opinion unless he or she has conductedf an examination and has been granted proper authorization for such a statement."
 
So according to Denny Kim Jung Crackhead is perfectly sane. We can't judge him.
 
So not crazy, just very dumb.

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http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-trade-merkel-germany-eu-2017-4
 
Diagnosis requires a thorough examination of a patient,
When a figure is as public as Trump and has speechified publicly, shown contentious behavior towards as many people as he has...I think a thorough examination requires the ability to hear him and the results of his actions....to me..it's demonstrable....Trump does have a personality disorder combined with a really, really false superiority complex. I don't even charge for my diagnosis..
 
When a figure is as public as Trump and has speechified publicly, shown contentious behavior towards as many people as he has...I think a thorough examination requires the ability to hear him and the results of his actions....to me..it's demonstrable....Trump does have a personality disorder combined with a really, really false superiority complex. I don't even charge for my diagnosis..

One, you're not a psychologist
Two, you have not examined him
Three, it is unethical for psychologists to make such diagnoses without an actual examination

So anyone who is hawking this bullshit is either a circus clown or deliberately violating the ethics of their profession.

The reason it's unethical is a good one.
 
One, you're not a psychologist
one....I clearly never claimed to be...independent thought...I've a lot of experience to draw upon though and I did counsel vets at the end of my military career...I've also worked with the elderly and disabled and studied dementia extensively as well as other symptoms...sometimes Denny...have the conversation without the paper mountain doing the talking for you
 
and you're entitled to your paper mountain of other people's opinions...as ridiculous as they are

I don't consider the ethics rules of the psychiatric profession to be opinion nor ridiculous.

You would cling to the words of those who have no ethics.

So be it.
 
You are parroting the words of those who are unethical.

Enough said.
bullshit....you are baiting someone with an opposing view because you deem the view as wrong or formed to push an agenda....neither is true..but I'm informed and perhaps my perspective is just outside your wall..either way.....you are welcome to respect the ethical character of the orange buffoon as long as you like....not my concern
 
Trump won't release the visitor logs to the White House.

That's an actual big deal. Make a stink over that.

The personal attacks are just petty and small.
 
That's an actual big deal
it's all a big deal ....and when intelligent people point out that it is.....you might want to weigh in with something besides...petty, small, parroted or ridiculous...then we have a conversation that's meaningful...Trump, Spicer and the Trump royals are a big deal to me.....I'm convinced we've got an extremely dysfunctional commander in chief...another big deal...his use of office for the Trump business hub is another one...the list goes on...my attacks on Trump's actions in office are not petty, small, ridiculous or parroted. The title of this thread is what it is....we respond accordingly
 
it's all a big deal ....and when intelligent people point out that it is.....you might want to weigh in with something besides...petty, small, parroted or ridiculous...then we have a conversation that's meaningful...Trump, Spicer and the Trump royals are a big deal to me.....I'm convinced we've got an extremely dysfunctional commander in chief...another big deal...his use of office for the Trump business hub is another one...the list goes on...my attacks on Trump's actions in office are not petty, small, ridiculous or parroted. The title of this thread is what it is....we respond accordingly


Petty,small, unethical, immoral, personal, petty.

Yeah, petty twice.

It's also age discrimination.

Petty.
 
Uh... whom do you include here?
The Yale group that came out with the article....and actually a long list of people with Trump concerns...I get to voice them here and I think there are quite a few bright people here on the forum...disregarding their opinions kills any hope of good conversation about the state of the presidency. The whole "fake news" argument made a lot of folks argue about printed articles, etc....I don't buy it...have an opinion..express it...talk smack or bait with contention and I'll bark back just like anyone of us would...point is that the conversations become polarized before they happen around here too often in OT..humor goes a long way with me..as soon as something good happens with the direction of government, I'll give a standing ovation..so far nothing has instilled that sort of trust.
 

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