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What exactly would be the issue with the pacific fleet operating in San Diego?

I should hope you would not expect the crew or the ships to be at sea the whole duration of a deployment. Yokosuka serves the US Navy in the Western Pacific much like San Diego does in the Eastern Pacific. The days of occupation for the personnel there ended way back. Without a home port in the Western Pacific, a tour with the 7th fleet would be hell for the crews. Ships do need down time, resupply time. Fresh vegetables don't often come by a fleet supply ship. Frozen chicken and can shit does. Oh yes, recombined milk! Damn! Who invented that crap?
 
All those things can be had in San Diego.
 
Or Oahu. Or Alaska. Or Seattle.
 
Marzy, how long San Diego to japan for the 7th?

I mean, the thought, for me at least, is we don't need to be there anyways. So the off chance we will be needed is a pretty crap excuse for the cost.
 
The way we do things now isn't relevant. You assume we must drive our boats in the west Pacific all the time. I assume we don't AND SHOULDN'T.
 
Well vote for Hillary Denny. She hasn't got a fucking clue what to do with a Destroyer either. She had two at sea within about 14 hours of Benghazi and she never thought to ask them to aid either.

Damn! What a thought, turn your Navy into the friggin coast guard and save some fuel. I truly find the comments here to be unbelievable.
 
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There are thousands of miles to cruise within our territory. Guys can stay at sea for days, weeks, or months to practice.

Knowing what to do with a destroyer? How about not putting Americans or foreigners in harm's way? Let the Saudis defend themselves, etc.

A destroyer can accompany a carrier just as easily off Pearl Harbor as it can off Honshu.
 
pretty crap excuse for the cost

So what are you going to do? Whip up some boats on the cheap and crew them with fast learners ready to rumble when some one threatens your ass?
Good luck with that! Naw, bull shit, save the crews the trouble, your dead already, just haven't heard Peter trying to get your attention.
This is nuts!
 
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Why the hell would even need a Carrier off Pearl? There is no one close to Pearl that we have treaty with. No Pirates near.
Did you know Destroyers have more function that Escort duty? Heh, probably not.

But I do see just a little what you have in mind. Let the world do what ever it will with the Sea, all we need is OUR coastal waters. Yeah man that will be a grand plan.
Geez, I am out.
 
One last thought for the Naval Strategic thinkers here. Read The Six Frigates, a good history book about (of all things) US Naval history and its beginings.
Then progress to The Influence of Sea Power Upon History by Alfred Mahan
 
One last thought, Sly's post about Sun Tzu is very much on target. We should have never prevented Japan from having a Navy, effectively destroying their Naval tradition after WWII.
If we had let them function again after their surrender we would have a Naval Partner in the Western Pacific that would lessen the need for the US Navy in the region this day.
Bad mistake, you don't whip up a Navy on demand when you need it.
 
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One last thought, Sly's post about Sun Tzu is very much on target. We should have never prevented Japan from having a Navy, effectively destroying their Naval tradition after WWII.
If we had let them function again after their surrender we would have a Naval Partner in the Western Pacific that would lesson the need for the US Navy in the region this day.
Bad mistake, you don't whip up a Navy on demand when you need it.

China feels that a navy is an essential part of a modern military force and is spending billions on creating one.
 
China feels that a navy is an essential

And I wish that it were Japan (along with Korea) that was in position to object and prevent the Chinese from dominating and controlling the South China Sea. China is now claiming every island
in the place their territory and thereby all the surrounding Sea. Some Navy will likely need to force international access be maintained. I think it is actually the heaviest route of commerce in the world now. Also the most Pirates (not new).
 
And I wish that it were Japan (along with Korea) that was in position to object and prevent the Chinese from dominating and controlling the South China Sea. China is now claiming every island
in the place their territory and thereby all the surrounding Sea. Some Navy will likely need to force international access be maintained. I think it is actually the heaviest route of commerce in the world now. Also the most Pirates (not new).

Actually it's the rare earth elements on the sea floor in that area is why China can not be allowed to dominate and control that area. They already control the vast majority of rare earth elements mined today and can cripple our military and economy if they withhold them.
 
Ahh, so we have 50k troops in Japan to protect the business interests of the american rare earth mineral consortium.

See, that actually makes sense.

Now, I wonder why we care so much about the middle east? I'm stumped.
 
Ahh, so we have 50k troops in Japan to protect the business interests of the american rare earth mineral consortium.

See, that actually makes sense.

Now, I wonder why we care so much about the middle east? I'm stumped.

60 Minutes just did a story on this. Really interesting. You should check it out, it's only 10mins.

 
Got a link? Not working

Shit, when I post the link it automatically embeds the video.

Google 60 Minutes Modern life's devices under China's grip?

and it should take you to the site.
 
"this plugin is not supported"

Probably my phone being teh suck
 
Sly just infected the board with a chinese propaganda virus. This is an act of war!
 
Actually it's the rare earth elements on the sea floor in that area is why China can not be allowed to dominate and control that area. They already control the vast majority of rare earth elements mined today and can cripple our military and economy if they withhold them.
Ah yes! I forgot about the rare earth. That makes the best little electric motor going, most efficient. I use two, rare motor driven hydraulic pump sets in my boat for autopilot steering.
There are really good.

But you are right, let the Chinese lay claim to a few uninteresting islands and then the surrounding sea goes with, as well as the Sea bed.
 
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I watched the video. It says that due to cheaper labor, China now dominates the world rare earth market. The video says nothing about any military. But in this thread, Marzul, who didn't watch the video, says the video somehow proves that 50,000 American troops are needed in Japan.

How about explaining how, if China withheld sales to us, those troops could force China to pay its labor more, so that China wouldn't dominate the world rare earth market? Ridiculous.

Actually it's the rare earth elements on the sea floor in that area is why China can not be allowed to dominate and control that area. They already control the vast majority of rare earth elements mined today and can cripple our military and economy if they withhold them.

Your video says the Chinese mineral source is under Chinese land, not under the sea, and says nothing about any use of the U.S. military to force China to sell it to us.
 
Your video says the Chinese mineral source is under Chinese land, not under the sea, and says nothing about any use of the U.S. military to force China to sell it to us.

Disputes over the South China Sea and the Diaoyutai Islands (釣魚台) continue unabated, and most East and Southeast Asian countries have taken some kind of position on the issue. Academics and experts have expressed opinions based on fishing grounds, energy resources and territorial sovereignty. However, there is another key strategic resource in dispute — the undersea reserves of rare earths.

China has long been aware of the strategic value of these metals. At present, 95 percent of the global supply of rare earths mined on land comes from China. The late Chinese leader Deng Xiaoping (鄧小平) once declared that, while the Middle East has oil, China has rare earths, and he suggested that China could strictly control the export and supply of these minerals, as OPEC does with oil.

Rare earths on the seabed appear in the form of polymetallic nodules, also called manganese nodules. These so-called “black pearls” may contain more than 60 metallic elements. It is estimated that reserves of such metals in the Pacific Ocean alone can meet demand for 600 years or more. Since the 1980s, countries that are capable of deep-sea exploration, such as the US, Japan, France and Germany, have been competing to explore the seabed.

Last year Japan budgeted ¥6.8 billion (about US$86 million) to explore the seabed around Minami Torishima, or Marcus Island, which lies about 2,000km southeast of Tokyo. A report published by University of Tokyo associate professor Yasuhiro Kato in July last year says that a team of Japanese scientists has discovered an area rich in rare earths in the Pacific Ocean between longitudes 120 and 180 degrees east. They estimate that this area of seabed contains 80 billlion to 100 billion tonnes of such minerals — much more than the figure of 110 million tonnes given by the US Geological Survey for confirmed global reserves.

Over the past few years, China’s self-built manned submersible Jiaolong has been tested at progressively greater depths. In July 2010, it reached a depth of 3,759m in the South China Sea, and its crew members staked a claim by planting China’s national flag on the seabed. Last month, the Jiaolong reached a depth of 7,015m in the Mariana Trench in the western Pacific Ocean.

The Jiaolong’s most important function may be prospecting for undersea rare earths. Last month, China’s State Oceanic Administration director Liu Cigui (劉賜貴) said that between 2001 and last year, China had successfully applied to the International Seabed Authority for exclusive exploration rights and priority commercial mining rights for two zones of seabed where polymetallic nodules are present. These two zones measure 75,000km2 and 10,000km2 — which, together, is nearly twice the surface area of China’s Hainan Island. Liu said that one of the main purposes of the Jiaolong’s deep-sea test dives was to discover what metallic minerals are to be found there.

All this may explain why Japan attaches so much importance to its territorial claim over the Okinotorishima coral reefs, while China refuses to recognize Japan’s claim and has held several naval maneuvers nearby.

Rare-earth reserves may also exist near Taiwan-controlled Taiping Island (太平島) in the South China Sea and the Diaoyutai Islands, which are also claimed by Taiwan, Japan and China, among others, and the value of such mineral deposits might be equivalent to tens of millions of New Taiwan dollars per capita in Taiwan. If so, one wonders how hard Taiwan’s government will fight to defend its claim over these islands.

Read more here - http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials/archives/2012/07/20/2003538168

Or you could Google it - https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=south china sea rare earth
 
50,000 American troops

MarAzul said nothing of the kind. He never uses the term. We have Sailors, Marines, Airmen and Army personnel, like Rangers, 1st ID, 3rd ID.
Note the A in MarAzul as in Mar Azul. Blue Sea.
 
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Note the A in MarAzul an in Mar Azul. Blue Sea.

MarAzul with the spelling check!

Brain, what do you think about that?

barfo
 
MarAzul said nothing of the kind. He never uses the term. We have Sailors, Marines, Airmen and Army personnel, like Rangers, 1st ID, 3rd ID.

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Brian, why do we still have 40k troops in Germany? 50k in Japan? 11k in Italy? I'm assuming because of a war 70 years ago?

Would it make sense to shut all of those bases down and bring those 100 thousand troops home? Seems like they can take care of themselves at this point. 70 years later.

Seems like a question from a person that has no idea why we have a 7th fleet. Or any idea at all what being part of it involves.

But I am surprise the current Commander in Chief has not done as you suggest. With him in command we might as well have the 7th anchored in San Diego training the crew on how to apply for food stamps.

You responded to 3Brainiac's post in which he referred to "50k" "troops" in Japan.
 

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