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wizenheimer said:
it's especially interesting if you don't do math

* around 130 million people voted in 2016. Estimates are around 150 million will vote in 2020

* the number of people who have already voted is approaching 100 million. Call it that for fun

* so Biden is at 66 million and trump at 32 million in the 'already voted' category

* so then trump gets 69% of the 50 million election day votes; about 34.5 million. That gives trump 66.5 million

* and Biden gets 27% of those 50 million votes, or 13.5 million. That gives Biden 79.5 million

so then, Biden wins by 13 million, which sounds about right if the national polling is close
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wizenheimer said:
it's especially interesting if you don't do math

* around 130 million people voted in 2016. Estimates are around 150 million will vote in 2020

* the number of people who have already voted is approaching 100 million. Call it that for fun

* so Biden is at 66 million and trump at 32 million in the 'already voted' category

* so then trump gets 69% of the 50 million election day votes; about 34.5 million. That gives trump 66.5 million

* and Biden gets 27% of those 50 million votes, or 13.5 million. That gives Biden 79.5 million

so then, Biden wins by 13 million, which sounds about right if the national polling is close
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I was simply posting a graphic I found interesting, wasn’t doing victory laps over it. Being smug and condescending isn’t really necessary. Especially considering nearly all of your bullet points are estimates themselves. Sorry it rubbed you the wrong way. I even made sure it was from a mainstream source so as not to get attacked from the “fake news conspiracy theorist” angle.
 
calvin natt said:
I have a bad feeling about election night. None chance Trump just loses and goes away. We’ve got drama coming like we’ve never seen.
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Probably....but it's worth noting that Arizona has already been counting votes for 10 days; Florida and North Carolina are already processing mail-in and early votes and those will be among the first tabulated. Those 3 states account for 55 electoral votes. Biden could easily be leading in all those states come midnight making it much more difficult for trump to declare victory
 
tlongII said:
I’d be much more worried about the opposite. If Trump wins the left will lose their shit.
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C’mon man!

Here’s the deal:

We all know it’s been Trump supporters burning down businesses, looting and setting shit on fire. There’s no reason to even suspect people on the left will cause problems if Trump is re-elected. There’s nothing in recent history you could point to to even suggest it’s plausible.
 
wizenheimer said:
Probably....but it's worth noting that Arizona has already been counting votes for 10 days; Florida and North Carolina are already processing mail-in and early votes and those will be among the first tabulated. Those 3 states account for 55 electoral votes. Biden could easily be leading in all those states come midnight making it much more difficult for trump to declare victory
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Hey I posted a graphic that sort of pertains to thi........ah fuck it.
 
jonnyboy said:
I was simply posting a graphic I found interesting, wasn’t doing victory laps over it. Being smug and condescending isn’t really necessary. Especially considering nearly all of your bullet points are estimates themselves. Sorry it rubbed you the wrong way. I even made sure it was from a mainstream source so as not to get attacked from the “fake news conspiracy theorist” angle.
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you posted something...I responded. Welcome to the internet. Quit being a snowflake and seeing condescension where there was none. It didn't rub me any way except as being a graph that needed some context

all I was doing was some elementary math on the numbers of your interesting graph.

the fact that Biden supporters are voting early to try and make sure their votes count without risking infection on election day is about the least surprising factoid of this election. And that trump supporters are much less concerned about the risk of election day voting is unsurprising as well. These things could have been predicted in May
 
calvin natt said:
I have a bad feeling about election night. None chance Trump just loses and goes away. We’ve got drama coming like we’ve never seen.
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We've been seeing drama like that for the entire Trump tenure...it can only get better in my view...I don't think of this as an election as much as the people finishing the job the Senate refused to do during his impeachment....this is more..."You're Fired!" than you lose...
 
wizenheimer said:
you posted something...I responded. Welcome to the internet. Quit being a snowflake and seeing condescension where there was none. It didn't rub me any way except as being a graph that needed some context

all I was doing was some elementary math on the numbers of your interesting graph.

the fact that Biden supporters are voting early to try and make sure their votes count without risking infection on election day is about the least surprising factoid of this election. And that trump supporters are much less concerned about the risk of election day voting is unsurprising as well. These things could have been predicted in May
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There is going to be a surge of trump voters on Election Day and many pollsters and media outlets aren’t taking this into account, despite the fact that “it could have been predicted in May”. They are taking the current numbers as a representation of the election outcome. You basically reaffirmed what the graphic said and acted as if you disproved something. You didn’t. You just expanded on something I already posted, congratulations. Those of us who “don’t do math” are lucky to have smug people around to put us in our place.
 
riverman said:
We've been seeing drama like that for the entire Trump tenure...it can only get better in my view...I don't think of this as an election as much as the people finishing the job the Senate refused to do during his impeachment....this is more..."You're Fired!" than you lose
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Oh it’s been shitty yes. But with Biden “leading” from what it looks like, handily, in various polls, if he ends up losing, people won’t go batshit necessarily because of the loss but because it was rigged, stolen, votes suppressed, and so on. The obvious effort by Republicans to make voting difficult has already created enough anger to cause a shit storm. If Trump wins? Mayhem and I’m all for it.
 
If the dems lose a race they shouldn't for the second time, the party needs to split up and be more center than so radically left in many ways. Let the progressives start their own party.
We need a few more options especially in the Democratic party, the were there and guess what?
 
calvin natt said:
Oh it’s been shitty yes. But with Biden “leading” from what it looks like, handily, in various polls, if he ends up losing, people won’t go batshit necessarily because of the loss but because it was rigged, stolen, votes suppressed, and so on. The obvious effort by Republicans to make voting difficult has already created enough anger to cause a shit storm. If Trump wins? Mayhem and I’m all for it.
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The Republican Party is composting before your eyes....they gambled on goofball and now will lose their edge...just watch...there will be a new conservative party next time around....they're going to blow up the team and start the rebuild after this flop...the Lincoln Party alone could gut their entire roster...the good old boys Republican Party will be left with a few jaded old farts, maris and mags
 
Hoopguru said:
If the dems lose a race they shouldn't for the second time, the party needs to split up and be more center than so radically left in many ways. Let the progressives start their own party.
We need a few more options especially in the Democratic party, the were there and guess what?
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I believe this will happen anyway....but the Independents are going to balloon in numbers
 
riverman said:
The Republican Party is composting before your eyes....they gambled on goofball and now will lose their edge...just watch...there will be a new conservative party next time around....they're going to blow up the team and start the rebuild after this flop...the Lincoln Party alone could gut their entire roster...the good old boys Republican Party will be left with a few jaded old farts, maris and mags
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I hope, truly you are right. We need to have a strong Republican Party. I grew up in a Republican household, and always respected my dads views on things. He has passed away as of 2018, and I think he would be sickened by what’s going on. I wish we had three strong parties, cuz this ain’t working. I think the media needs a reality check as well. Accountability for their reporting. So while I want Trump to die, I want the Republican Party to take a step back, re-evaluate, come up with real leadership and come back stronger. I want the Democrats to do the same because the fact that Joe Biden is our best option is also pathetic.
 
calvin natt said:
I hope, truly you are right. We need to have a strong Republican Party. I grew up in a Republican household, and always respected my dads views on things. He has passed away as of 2018, and I think he would be sickened by what’s going on. I wish we had three strong parties, cuz this ain’t working. I think the media needs a reality check as well. Accountability for their reporting. So while I want Trump to die, I want the Republican Party to take a step back, re-evaluate, come up with real leadership and come back stronger. I want the Democrats to do the same because the fact that Joe Biden is our best option is also pathetic.
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There is no place for this republican party, it is one that abandoned the ideas of what it means to be a conservative party that values principals, fiscal responsibility and family for power and greed.

Either a new iteration of the party will be created - or the vacuum will be filled by the Lincoln Project following, I am sure.
 
andalusian said:
There is no place for this republican party, it is one that abandoned the ideas of what it means to be a conservative party that values principals, fiscal responsibility and family for power and greed.

Either a new iteration of the party will be created - or the vacuum will be filled by the Lincoln Project following, I am sure.
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How can you say that when we have multiple, daily, examples of thousands and thousands of people from coast to coast who are 100% on board with exactly what’s happening right now?
 
jonnyboy said:
There is going to be a surge of trump voters on Election Day and many pollsters and media outlets aren’t taking this into account,
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everybody, including media, has known for quite a while that election day voting was going to be heavily in favor of trump. That is surprising nobody

and please point out any poll that isn't accounting for that dynamic

jonnyboy said:
They are taking the current numbers as a representation of the election outcome. .
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nobody with a functionaing brain is doing that. Not a single vote has been tabulated yet. All I've seen is suggestions that the early voting numbers reveal a lot of enthusiasm and determination by D's.

again. please point out anybody who is saying the early voting patterns prove who will win

jonnyboy said:
You basically reaffirmed what the graphic said and acted as if you disproved something. You didn’t. You just expanded on something I already posted, congratulations.
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lol...you think I "acted" a certain way by doing multiplication and addition? Remind me not to use trigonometry near you

jonnyboy said:
Those of us who “don’t do math” are lucky to have smug people around to put us in our place.
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maybe this is the problem:

what I said was "it's especially interesting if you don't do math"

what I meant was "it's especially interesting if you don't do the math"

maybe my inadvertent omission of "the" is what has you in a twist. Maybe that's what has made you see so much "smug" around here
 
riverman said:
I believe this will happen anyway....but the Independents are going to balloon in numbers
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Agree, I think they are the fastest growing segment already. They just need equal platforms with the media and debates.
 
calvin natt said:
How can you say that when we have multiple, daily, examples of thousands and thousands of people from coast to coast who are 100% on board with exactly what’s happening right now?
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It pains me to quote Hillary Clinton - but she was right, the Trump administration has allowed the deplorable to show their true colors everywhere encouraged by an administration that delights in this chaos. I suspect they are going to fail spectacularly sooner or later and the many crimes of this administration will come to light when they no longer have the president, DOJ and republican senate standing in the way of shining a light on it. A lot of decent conservatives will want to distance themselves as much as possible from these people - and as I said, my prediction is that one of 2 things will happen - the GOP will have to change dramatically or an alternative to the GOP will come relegating the current GOP to it's tea party hard right nuts core.
 
I think a lot of Trump's bluster about not accepting election results if he loses is a ploy to get a promise from the incoming administration to not investigate or prosecute him or his family.

And I see the dems agreeing to this, go quietly and we'll leave you alone.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
I think a lot of Trump's bluster about not accepting election results if he loses is a ploy to get a promise from the incoming administration to not investigate or prosecute him or his family.

And I see the dems agreeing to this, go quietly and we'll leave you alone.
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If indeed that were to happen, I would never, ever vote for another Democrat in my lifetime.......
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
If indeed that were to happen, I would never, ever vote for another Democrat in my lifetime.......
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What's more important, fixing the problems or punishing the person who created them?

Remember in this scenario you have a 77yr old as your leader. Does he really have the energy and focus for both?
 
SlyPokerDog said:
What's more important, fixing the problems or punishing the person who created them?

Remember in this scenario you have a 77yr old as your leader. Does he really have the energy and focus for both?
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I think Joe will probably build a cabinet of women candidates he ran against...Kamala will be a great Dick Cheney for Alfred the butler Biden.....Joe will smile, listen, be amicable and take power naps when needed....Harris, Warren, Klobuchar, Rice and Abrams will probably do the heavy lifting for the resident senior citizen....Joe is the Dems version of Kaleb Canales after Nate was fired.....
 
SlyPokerDog said:
What's more important, fixing the problems or punishing the person who created them?

Remember in this scenario you have a 77yr old as your leader. Does he really have the energy and focus for both?
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He focuses on trying to repair Trump’s damages and turns his former prosecutor Vice President loose to dog Donnie until the end of his days, or the end of her term, whichever comes first. Donald Trump needs to be held accountable for the harm he has caused American citizens. And letting him off the hook would take national morale even lower than it already is.
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
He focuses on trying to repair Trump’s damages and turns his former prosecutor Vice President loose to dog Donnie until the end of his days, or the end of her term, whichever comes first. Donald Trump needs to be held accountable for the harm he has caused American citizens. And letting him off the hook would take national morale even lower than it already is.
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a light result to me would be freezing his assets and sending him into exile while revoking his citizenship...but I'm an easy going guy
An alternative would be arrest him and require community service on the border taking down the wall with hack saw one metal barb at a time....and be overseen by Mexican border guards.....it's only 400 miles of desert steel! He's a tough cream puff!
 
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