Politics It's gonna get awful quiet in here by the far Right in two weeks

[Orion Bailey]

But... but... I thought we were going to take over the ferry and start the Canby Navy?!?

I've decided to fend for myself. Most people have proven unworthy of my help and protection.

 

[RR7]

This I disagree with. The electoral votes are simply from those we chose to be our regional leaders. If we don't like how the electoral votes go, then chose different leaders. I don't trust the masses to pick their nose correctly, let alone be informed enough without personally biased influence, to make a quality decision alone for our president.

If one wants to get rid of the electorate, then we would need to change from a republic to a democracy. I, for on, like the stopping points to help filter out idiots.

My main issue with the EC...

Wyoming has 3 electoral votes. Wyoming has a population of ~580,000 people. So each electorate represents about 195,ooo people.

California has 55 electoral votes. California has a population of 39.5 million. Each electorate in California represents 718,000 people.

Why do the citizens of California get less representation that citizens in Wyoming? California by the same measure should have 200 electoral votes. It's horribly antiquated

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Most people have proven unworthy of my help and protection.

 

[theprunetang]

Not on the national level. The average citizen, in my opinion, is not informed enough to know all the details and nuances to determine our Presidency. Just look at the last year of conflicts to know that most people care more about superficiality than substance.

Meaning, more people seem to care more about Trump grabbing a pussy than his economic stances. We are a snowflake society just looking for the next thing to bitch about and I don't want these bitchers picking our national leaders who deal in foreign relations, of which most citizens are also not very informed about.

I'm okay with the public electing local officials who can be directly held responsible by communities, who then determine our national leaders.

More so than ever I don't want a popular vote determining an outcome because we are also sheep led by biased and fake news.

But you can insinuate i'm against freedom of choice if you like. Ill just know your assumption is inaccurate and not based on a full and completely informed opinion.


Basically the typical. Read one thing and just paint a picture. There are sooo many details about elections and our leaders. I say i'm not for one thing doesn't mean i'm saying i'm for something else.

Another typical behavior by the average person that is foundationally incorrect. But happens all the time.

You say you are for freedom of choice but don't want the people to be able to choose their leader. This is coming out very hypocritically. The bullshit meter is going up to 11 here.

 

[Lanny]

IF Trump Wins the popular AND the electoral vote, Will you revolt?

If little green men from Mars attack in large numbers will you run for the hills?

 

[Lanny]

Not on the national level. The average citizen, in my opinion, is not informed enough to know all the details and nuances to determine our Presidency. Just look at the last year of conflicts to know that most people care more about superficiality than substance.

Meaning, more people seem to care more about Trump grabbing a pussy than his economic stances. We are a snowflake society just looking for the next thing to bitch about and I don't want these bitchers picking our national leaders who deal in foreign relations, of which most citizens are also not very informed about.

I'm okay with the public electing local officials who can be directly held responsible by communities, who then determine our national leaders.

More so than ever I don't want a popular vote determining an outcome because we are also sheep led by biased and fake news.

But you can insinuate i'm against freedom of choice if you like. Ill just know your assumption is inaccurate and not based on a full and completely informed opinion.


Basically the typical. Read one thing and just paint a picture. There are sooo many details about elections and our leaders. I say i'm not for one thing doesn't mean i'm saying i'm for something else.

Another typical behavior by the average person that is foundationally incorrect. But happens all the time.

I'm confused. Are you a Communist?

 

[Orion Bailey]

You say you are for freedom of choice but don't want the people to be able to choose their leader. This is coming out very hypocritically. The bullshit meter is going up to 11 here.

Right. Dude. This is why I basically don't even come here anymore. you take one statement and you just assume all and have made your decision about what I think.

I want people to choose their local leaders. Not national. I believe in an update of the electoral college. Not leaving it as is for a few reasons, one being what @RR7 said.

Maybe instead of being so quick to judge me, ask more questions to be more fully informed before you call bullshit?

I don't come here to be judged or judge others. I come here to discuss things... or I try to anyhow....

 

[RR7]

Right. Dude. This is why I basically don't even come here anymore. you take one statement and you just assume all and have made your decision about what I think.

I want people to choose their local leaders. Not national. I believe in an update of the electoral college. Not leaving it as is for a few reasons, one being what @RR7 said.

Maybe instead of being so quick to judge me, ask more questions to be more fully informed before you call bullshit?

I don't come here to be judged or judge others. I come here to discuss things... or I try to anyhow....

How do you update the EC?

 

[Orion Bailey]

My main issue with the EC...

Wyoming has 3 electoral votes. Wyoming has a population of ~580,000 people. So each electorate represents about 195,ooo people.

California has 55 electoral votes. California has a population of 39.5 million. Each electorate in California represents 718,000 people.

Why do the citizens of California get less representation that citizens in Wyoming? California by the same measure should have 200 electoral votes. It's horribly antiquated

Yep. It definitely needs to be updated. It needs to be an equal representation of the population of each state, which we also must provide a slight bit of flexibility as populations are not an ongoing live numbver. A censuss is taken and 6 months later could be off a hundred thousand a year later. (poor analogy).

But I agree this is the main problem with it and it needs to be fixed. I dont think it should go away.

 

[theprunetang]

Right. Dude. This is why I basically don't even come here anymore. you take one statement and you just assume all and have made your decision about what I think.

I want people to choose their local leaders. Not national. I believe in an update of the electoral college. Not leaving it as is for a few reasons, one being what @RR7 said.

Maybe instead of being so quick to judge me, ask more questions to be more fully informed before you call bullshit?

I don't come here to be judged or judge others. I come here to discuss things... or I try to anyhow....

Tell me how I'm wrong. Tell me how you saying you don't want people to choose their national leaders equates to being pro-freedom of choice. Please. Tell me how that lines up. I'm not making things up for you. I'm just using basic logic. Tell me how I'm wrong.

 

[Orion Bailey]

How do you update the EC?

Take population census more than every 10 years for one. But I dont know all the details without doing more research. I do think a census every ten years is not enough. populations can totally change in a decade.

 

[theprunetang]

Yep. It definitely needs to be updated. It needs to be an equal representation of the population of each state, which we also must provide a slight bit of flexibility as populations are not an ongoing live numbver. A censuss is taken and 6 months later could be off a hundred thousand a year later. (poor analogy).

But I agree this is the main problem with it and it needs to be fixed. I dont think it should go away.

If the EC stands, and does not go away (which i am in favor of abolishing), I could 100% get down with this sort of update.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Tell me how I'm wrong. Tell me how you saying you don't want people to choose their national leaders equates to being pro-freedom of choice. Please. Tell me how that lines up. I'm not making things up for you. I'm just using basic logic. Tell me how I'm wrong.

Tell me how when I say I want peopel to chose thier local leaders im against freedom of choice?

Man. You sure take giant leaps.....

And My opinion your logic is illogical because you aren't fully informed and apparently don't care to be in order to come to a decision. A problem all too familiar in todays people. You read one line and think you know all based off of that.

Fools gold.

 

[Lanny]

Right. Dude. This is why I basically don't even come here anymore. you take one statement and you just assume all and have made your decision about what I think.

I want people to choose their local leaders. Not national. I believe in an update of the electoral college. Not leaving it as is for a few reasons, one being what @RR7 said.

Maybe instead of being so quick to judge me, ask more questions to be more fully informed before you call bullshit?

I don't come here to be judged or judge others. I come here to discuss things... or I try to anyhow....

I think those who judge you are wrong. I think there are too many dichotomies to make a judgement call. So, I'm on your side on this one.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I think those who judge you are wrong. I think there are too many dichotomies to make a judgement call. So, I'm on your side on this one.

You just want to ride on our Canby Navy ship.

 

[Lanny]

Wouldn't it take 2/3rds of the states to agree to eliminate the EC? I don't think that will be happening anytime soon.

No, ain't a'gonna happen. This shifts power to the sparsely populated states and they ain't gonna give that up. You'd have more luck getting Donald to release his tax returns voluntarily.

 

[Lanny]

Me too. I've chosen to withhold my tongue lashings from my wheelchair although I do reserve the right to unload on transgressors with my rubber band gun. Ruthless? Yes, but sometimes you gotta lay down the law.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

This I disagree with. The electoral votes are simply from those we chose to be our regional leaders. If we don't like how the electoral votes go, then chose different leaders. I don't trust the masses to pick their nose correctly, let alone be informed enough without personally biased influence, to make a quality decision alone for our president.

This is what a republic is all about. We vote in representatives who make decisions for us.

If one wants to get rid of the electorate, then we would need to change from a republic to a democracy. I, for on, like the stopping points to help filter out idiots.

Technically we aren’t a true Republic. To paraphrase John Adams, true republics are unsustainable by their very nature, as the minority generally rules....until the majority decides it’s had enough. In truth, we are a Democratic Republic. The majority generally rules while the rights of the minority are protected. Big difference. Just sayin’.......

 

[theprunetang]

Tell me how when I say I want peopel to chose thier local leaders im against freedom of choice?

Man. You sure take giant leaps.....

And My opinion your logic is illogical because you aren't fully informed and apparently don't care to be in order to come to a decision. A problem all too familiar in todays people. You read one line and think you know all based off of that.

Fools gold.

You are against freedom of choice when it comes to national elections. I'm not reading anything false into your statement.

 

[Orion Bailey]

You are against freedom of choice when it comes to national elections. I'm not reading anything false into your statement.

How is that "i'm against freedom of choice?" Are you literally not able to ascertain the difference? Are you not able to differentiate statements? Do you generalize everything? If I dont like Green BEans, do I not like vegatables?

I mean wtf are you even talking about?

This is why we are in a downward spiral. Too many people use this illogical logic.

Because I said this, I MUST mean that...

Because I said all lives matter, I must be a racist.
Because I said Black lives matter, I must be against Whites.


People need to really stop judging in this manner. It is the main problem we have everywhere.


You are smarter than this Aaron.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Technically we aren’t a true Republic. To paraphrase John Adams, true republics are unsustainable by their very nature, as the minority generally rules....until the majority decides it’s had enough. In truth, we are a Democratic Republic. The majority generally rules while the rights of the minority are protected. Big difference. Just sayin’.......

Good Point.

 

[HailBlazers]

Unfortunately many people want to elimante the electoral college and in turn rights of the minority.

 

[Lanny]

Unfortunately many people want to elimante the electoral college and in turn rights of the minority.

The gall of those people thinking the votes of the many should count as much as the votes of the few.

 

[RR7]

How is that "i'm against freedom of choice?" Are you literally not able to ascertain the difference? Are you not able to differentiate statements? Do you generalize everything? If I dont like Green BEans, do I not like vegatables?

I mean wtf are you even talking about?

This is why we are in a downward spiral. Too many people use this illogical logic.

Because I said this, I MUST mean that...

Because I said all lives matter, I must be a racist.
Because I said Black lives matter, I must be against Whites.


People need to really stop judging in this manner. It is the main problem we have everywhere.


You are smarter than this Aaron.

He didn't say you're against freedom of choice in EVERYTHING. He said it seemed hypocritical to be pro freedom of choice, but then want to limit what choices. Your analogies about green beans doesn't match.
A different analogy. I'm pro choice. However, women are stupid, so they shouldn't be able to decide who provides healthcare to them. We should have a different group decide that.
Someone might say that seems rather hypocritical(I'd agree). That doesn't mean they now think I oppose abortion. Just that limiting one choices is hypocritical in a pro choice stance.

 

[theprunetang]

How is that "i'm against freedom of choice?" Are you literally not able to ascertain the difference? Are you not able to differentiate statements? Do you generalize everything? If I dont like Green BEans, do I not like vegatables?

I mean wtf are you even talking about?

This is why we are in a downward spiral. Too many people use this illogical logic.

Because I said this, I MUST mean that...

Because I said all lives matter, I must be a racist.
Because I said Black lives matter, I must be against Whites.


People need to really stop judging in this manner. It is the main problem we have everywhere.


You are smarter than this Aaron.

None of your arguments make an ounce of sense. You literally said that you don't think the people alone should choose candidates on a national scale. Did you not say that?

 

[theprunetang]

If one says that, then it goes by logic and ALL reasonable comprehension that you are not for freedom of choice when it comes to electing candidates on a national scale. Who is the one being unreasonable here? You are better than this.

 

[Chris Craig]

How is that "i'm against freedom of choice?" Are you literally not able to ascertain the difference? Are you not able to differentiate statements? Do you generalize everything? If I dont like Green BEans, do I not like vegatables?

I mean wtf are you even talking about?

This is why we are in a downward spiral. Too many people use this illogical logic.

Because I said this, I MUST mean that...

Because I said all lives matter, I must be a racist.
Because I said Black lives matter, I must be against Whites.


People need to really stop judging in this manner. It is the main problem we have everywhere.


You are smarter than this Aaron.

I think he is just wondering what you meant when you said you wanted people voting for local leaders not national. I saw that too and wondered about it. No judgment. For the sake of conversation just wondering if you could clarify. I think that is what @theprunetang was asking. I dont think he was trying to attack you.

 

[theprunetang]

I think he is just wondering what you meant when you said you wanted people voting for local leaders not national. I saw that too and wondered about it. No judgment. For the sake of conversation just wondering if you could clarify. I think that is what @theprunetang was asking. I dont think he was trying to attack you.

Not attacking anyone. I wouldn't respond to him if I didn't like him. If we, the people are not electing leaders on a national scale, then do we really have freedom of choice? I think that is a valid question. Instead our friend keeps thinking I'm making assumptions and being political and judgmental.

 

[Orion Bailey]

He didn't say you're against freedom of choice in EVERYTHING. He said it seemed hypocritical to be pro freedom of choice, but then want to limit what choices. Your analogies about green beans doesn't match.
A different analogy. I'm pro choice. However, women are stupid, so they shouldn't be able to decide who provides healthcare to them. We should have a different group decide that.
Someone might say that seems rather hypocritical(I'd agree). That doesn't mean they now think I oppose abortion. Just that limiting one choices is hypocritical in a pro choice stance.

Sorry, but this also doesnt add up.

Then we are all hypocritical when we vote laws in to wear seatbelts.

I mean what IS freedom of choice?

I stand by my stance. This is nonsense and nitpicking just to nitpick.

When we get down to it. NONE of us have complete freedom of choice on all matters. So the hypocritical statement is foundationally slippery.

Let me put it another way. Are you for the freedom of choice for one to convict a murderer? IM not. If someone has commited murder and been found guilty, there should not be a choice in whether that person has punishment coming or not. There can be a choice as to what type of punishment, but punishment should not be a choice. The public should not be able to choose whether a child molestor is set free or not.


There are asterisks in life.


To try to call me out as a hypocrite because I said I don't believe in freedom of choice for one small thing is hypocritical in its own right considering none of us have complete freedom of choice and we are fine with it.

do you have the freedom of choice to not get a ticket for speeding? You have a freedom of choice to speed, but that freedom will be taken away if you do it too many times. You have a choice to steal a car and continue to speed, but then that choice will be taken away as well eventually.


So I don't understand this calling me out as a hypocrite for this.

To me this is just more virtue signalling so someone can seem better than another, rather than just having a discussion.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Polls showed Hillary would win nationally and she did, by 4 million votes. She’s not President because she lost the electoral college due to a tiny percentage of voters in PA, Wisconsin, and MI. Biden is winning those states this time around.