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SIeepwalker said:
If CJ was as good as Kobe I'm sure way more people would be ok with him shooting everytime. But CJ is not even an all star let alone an MVP and perennial 1st team all NBA. Dumb take
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you sir are filled with hate

CJ is easily an all star. He as ranked 13 coming into the season.
 
SIeepwalker said:
If CJ was as good as Kobe I'm sure way more people would be ok with him shooting everytime. But CJ is not even an all star let alone an MVP and perennial 1st team all NBA. Dumb take
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Would you bet your life on Kobe winning a shooting contest against CJ? :evilfire:
 
SIeepwalker said:
I kinda like Bogdan Bogdanovic (The Kings' one). He's stuck on the bench too. Him + something interesting I might like
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I heard his contract is up this summer and his value isn't that high, we dont need to use CJ to get him lol.
 
Blazers Roy said:
You guys talked about 'shooting'.
You're avoiding the question so i'm guessing you're more OK with letting CJ shoot now.
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CJ is an elite shooter and led the league in mid range % last year, so yeah, let him shoot.
 
Blazers1977 said:
CJ is an elite shooter and led the league in mid range % last year, so yeah, let him shoot.
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I watched enough Kobe and Wade over the years NOT to get upset after a 5/18 nights. Those things happen.
Shot selection and team play could always improve though.
 
Blazers1977 said:
You honestly believe Olshey wouldn’t have traded CJ for Kawai...? Sounds like a strawman argument.
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yes, I believe it because Olshey himself, when the Blazers were offering 3 first round picks for PG13, said something like "why would we trade CJ for PG when we want CJ to play with PG"

if he was thinking that when PG13 was available and still had 2 years left on his deal, he was for damn sure thinking it when Kawhi was available and had 1 year left on his deal

besides all that, when those players were being shopped and the Portland rumors were out there, all we heard from Woj and Haynes and Quick and the like was that Portland was holding CJ untouchable. Finally...pay attention: Olshey's love affair with CJ has been plainly visible since he drafted him

Blazers1977 said:
there’s a reason Olshey, Dame, and Stotts are all very high on CJ. He is an elite scorer, an adept passer, and an excellent teammate.
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LOL...c'mon man. At least try a little bit to maintain a little credibility. Elite scorers are elite because they score lots of points with high efficiency. CJ has mediocre efficiency, mainly because he doesn't get to the foul line. He scores 20+ points a game because he averages nearly 20 shots a game. That's not elite. And LOL at "adept passer"....Mason Plumlee is a better PG than CJ

apparently, you're the new swish3 and CJ's your shining star

SIeepwalker said:
I'll be waiting a long time (unless he goes east where my grandma could be an all star)
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I've always been skeptical about this assertion:

Kemba Walker
Gordon Hayward
Jimmy Butler
Khris Middleton
Ben Simmons
Victor Oladipo
Malcolm Brogdon
Kyrie Irving
Trae Young
Zach Lavine
Bradley Beal

even with the injuries, That's a list of players that suggests CJ would have a real tough time cracking into the top-5. And no way at all if everybody is healthy
 
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Man do i wish CJ was off the team. He hurts our team so much on so many nights.

Someday..
 
So in other words you made up the story about Stotts refusing to trade CJ for Leonard specifically. Nice.

wizenheimer said:
yes, I believe it because Olshey himself, when the Blazers were offering 3 first round picks for PG13, said something like "why would we trade CJ for PG when we want CJ to play with PG"

if he was thinking that when PG13 was available and still had 2 years left on his deal, he was for damn sure thinking it when Kawhi was available and had 1 year left on his deal.
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Non-sequitir. LOL c’mon man. At least try to use a little bit of logic.

LOL...c'mon man. At least try a little bit to maintain a little credibility. Elite scorers are elite because they score lots of points with high efficiency. CJ has mediocre efficiency
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LOL CJ had the highest mid range shooting % of anyone in the league last year and ranked high from 3 as well
 
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Blazers1977 said:
you know who else didn’t run plays often? Phil Jackson. You know who else was criticized for “shooting every time”? Kobe.
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Blazers1977 said:
CJ is an elite shooter and led the league in mid range % last year, so yeah, let him shoot.
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Kobe played this other side of the ball....some pesky thing called defense. CJ is unfamiliar with this novelty.

As for CJ being an elite shooter, he is so elite, he was something like 10th on his own team last year in TS%. True elite status to be sure.
 
TBpup said:
Kobe played this other side of the ball....some pesky thing called defense. CJ is unfamiliar with this novelty.

As for CJ being an elite shooter, he is so elite, he was something like 10th on his own team last year in TS%. True elite status to be sure.
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anayltics are for people who don’t play or know anything about basketball. CJ is an elite scorer, ask anyone on the blazers team or coaching staff.

people said the same thing about Kobe. It’s always been an invalid insult. Jump shooters always have lower efficiency precisely bc they are jump shooters i.e. the player the team goes to when they can’t find a better shot. The team purposely gives Kobe and CJ the hardest shots, bc they make them the most often.
 
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Blazers1977 said:
anayltics are for people who don’t play or know anything about basketball. CJ is an elite scorer, ask anyone on the blazers team or coaching staff.

people said the same thing about Kobe. It’s always been an invalid insult. Jump shooters always have lower efficiency precisely bc they are jump shooters i.e. the player the team goes to when they can’t find a better shot. The team purposely gives Kobe and CJ the hardest shots, bc they make them the most often.
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This is so off base it isn't even worth arguing.
 
Blazers Roy said:
You guys talked about 'shooting'.
You're avoiding the question so i'm guessing you're more OK with letting CJ shoot now.
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Shooting has nothing to do with it. I don't know why you're taking this in a direction that has nothing to do with what everyone is talking about. A shooting contest ? Sure I wouldn't bet against CJ in pure shooting. in shooting contest there is no defender. The issue is when there is a defense and CJ goes dribbling 1 on x for 20 seconds before jacking a contested shot. That's what everybody has a problem with. Not pure shooting. Everybody knows CJ can shoot.

That's when this guy comes asking if Kobe can do it why can't CJ, and the answer is that's because Kobe was 20x the player CJ is. And that's not taking the defensive end into consideration, which is another debate
 
Blazers1977 said:
LOL CJ had the highest mid range shooting % of anyone in the league last year and ranked high from 3 as well
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that's not true. Durant was the best, not CJ. CJ was 2nd. Durant was best in 2017-18 when CJ was 16th. And so far, this season, Hood, Dame, Whiteside, and Simons are all better from mid-range than CJ. If that's the resume of an elite mid-range shooter than there are about 30 elite mid range shooters in the league

https://stats.nba.com/players/shooting/?CF=Mid-Range FGA*GE*250&DistanceRange=By Zone&PerMode=Totals&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular Season&dir=1&sort=Mid-Range FG PCT

but I didn't reply to your assertion that CJ was an elite mid-range shooter. I replied to your assertion that CJ was an "elite scorer". Last season, among NBA players who logged at least 800 minutes, CJ ranked 172nd in TS% and 143rd in eFG%. Forget about being in the top-100, he couldn't crack the top-140. He ranked 35th in offensive box plus/minus and that he ranked that high is almost certainly because he played so much with Dame who ranked 3rd

if he was an elite scorer, he wouldn't have ranked 10th on Portland in TS%, 7th in eFG%, 13th in FT rate, 8th in winshares/48, 8th in box plus/minus, and 5th in value over replacement. Now Dame...he's an elite scorer. Calling CJ one is loopy

what CJ is the beneficiary of is elite opportunity. Last season, he ranked 26th in scoring, but he ranked 17th in FGA's. This season, he ranks 20th in scoring, but ranks 6th in FGA's. It's crazy that CJ is shooting more than Dame. He's actually averaging more FGA's, and that's when Dame is absolutely crushing CJ in TS%, .624 vs .487; and in points/shot, 1.47 vs 1.03. To allow that is simply bad coaching, but that's the kind of counter-productive enabling of CJ's frustrating, ball-dominating nature that has been going on for over 4 seasons now
 
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wizenheimer said:
that's not true. Durant was the best, not CJ. CJ was 2nd. Durant was best in 2017-18 when CJ was 16th. And so far, this season, Hood, Dame, Whiteside, and Simons are all better from mid-range than CJ. If that's the resume of an elite mid-range shooter than there are about 30 elite mid range shooters in the league

https://stats.nba.com/players/shooting/?CF=Mid-Range FGA*GE*250&DistanceRange=By Zone&PerMode=Totals&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular Season&dir=1&sort=Mid-Range FG PCT

but I didn't reply to your assertion that CJ was an elite mid-range shooter. I replied to your assertion that CJ was an "elite scorer". Last season, among NBA players who logged at least 800 minutes, CJ ranked 172nd in TS% and 143rd in eFG%. Forget about being in the top-100, he couldn't crack the top-140. He ranked 35th in offensive box plus/minus and that he ranked that high is almost certainly because he played so much with Dame who ranked 3rd

if he was an elite scorer, he wouldn't have ranked 10th on Portland in TS%, 7th in eFG%, 13th in FT rate, 8th in winshares/48, 8th in box plus/minus, and 5th in value over replacement. Now Dame...he's an elite scorer. Calling CJ one is loopy

what CJ is the beneficiary of is elite opportunity. Last season, he ranked 26th in scoring, but he ranked 17th in FGA's. This season, he ranks 20th in scoring, but ranks 6th in FGA's. It's crazy that CJ is shooting more than Dame. He's actually averaging more FGA's, and that's when Dame is absolutely crushing CJ in TS%, .624 vs .487; and in points/shot, 1.47 vs 1.03. To allow that is simply bad coaching, but that's the kind of counter-productive enabling of CJ's frustrating, ball-dominating nature that has been going on for over 4 seasons now
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yikes are you really trying to use 12 games this season as a data sample.

sure dude. Stotts who gets paid millions to coach doesn’t know what he’s doing. The ESPN authors that ranked CJ as the 13th best player DONT know what they are doing. You do.

Again, CJ plays a position that on average shoots the lowest FG%. There’s no way of communicating with people like you who are so obsessed with stats that you’re incapable of looking at the context of the stats. You’re just making apples-to-oranges comparisons with other players that don’t take as tough of shots as CJ because they play entirely different roles in the offense.

people did the same thing with Kobe. People who were obsessed with analytics said Pau was the real star on the lakers. People with half a brain know it was Kobe.

there’s a reason CJ got a 9 digit contract and it’s not because he’s an average shooter.
 
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SIeepwalker said:
The issue is when there is a defense and CJ goes dribbling 1 on x for 20 seconds before jacking a contested shot.
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That's also an accurate description of Kobe.
A risky shot is a risky shot and it doesn't matter if CJ takes it or "an all star,MVP and perennial 1st team all NBA."
 
Blazers1977 said:
yikes are you really trying to use 12 games this season as a data sample.

sure dude. Stotts who gets paid millions to coach doesn’t know what he’s doing. The ESPN authors that ranked CJ as the 13th best player DONT know what they are doing. You do, spammer of regular season factoids.

Again, CJ plays a position that in average shoots the lowest FG%. There’s no way of communicating with people like you who are so obsessed with stats that you’re incapable of looking at the context of the stats. You’re just making apples-to-oranges comparisons with other players.
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From now on we will only accept the following as our 2nd star:
-Above 6'6.
-Plays great defense.
-Averages AT LEAST 7 assists and 7 rebounds per game.
-Shoots at the fine percentages of 90/50/40.
-Excels at every advanced stat we might think of in the future.

Anything else is a waste of our precious time!
 
Blazers Roy said:
From now on we will only accept the following as our 2nd star:
-Above 6'6.
-Plays great defense.
-Averages AT LEAST 7 assists and 7 rebounds per game.
-Shoots at the fine percentages of 90/50/40.
-Excels at every advanced stat we might think of in the future.

Anything else is a waste of our precious time!
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lol

people here are starting to remind me of laker fans. The level of entitlement you have to have to complain about having CJ McCollum on your small market team that’s 400 miles from the next opponent... amazin
 
Blazers1977 said:
lol

people here are starting to remind me of laker fans. The level of entitlement you have to have to complain about having CJ McCollum on your small market team that’s 400 miles from the next opponent... amazin
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I was just thinking about it today.
This board needs a few more years of Sebastian Telfair, junkie Kemp,fat Felton etc.
Let them have it from players who REALLY don't give a shit about them.

It pains me to know Simons will get the same treatment in the near future :smiley-pat:
 
Blazers Roy said:
I was just thinking about it today.
This board needs a few more years of Sebastian Telfair, junkie Kemp,fat Felton etc.
Let them have it from players who REALLY don't give a shit about them.

It pains me to know Simons will get the same treatment in the near future :smiley-pat:
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Simons is already in the "i will never complain about them" camp.

Other campers:

Dame
 
Oh. And CJ is a waste of a roster spot masqueraded as a scorer.


Its like we have two cjs now in melo.
 
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