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TBpup said:
If that is the case, Neil should be let go immediately. If that is because Dame doesn't want his friend traded to make the team better, then I'm equally unimpressed with him.
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I'm relieved personally.....my instincts all say fuck James Harden and his showcase. Glad the Blazers don't follow the Antonio Davis demanding a trade culture ...Harden has two years left in Houston....he should honor that or work with the front office....I don't want a guy showing a violent temper in the practice room and risking the health of our players for a night at the clubs..I hope the Rockets trade him to a bottom feeder
 
Spencer Dinwiddie going down takes another trade asset away from the Nets in a Harden deal. He was up for a contract, so I doubt they want a rental with a bad ACL looking to get paid next summer.
 
blazerkor said:
Using "CJ defended" in any context is completely misleading.
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it's demonstrable....going toe to toe against the guy rumored to be traded for you is pretty good defense if you want to keep your job
 
Nurk, Covington, Kantor (or Collins), Little, Simons, Trent would work financially and maybe once Hood becomes eligible to trade he could be substituted for Nurk or Covingotn, but I'm not sure if that would be enough salary. At that point could add in Collins and pull out Trent and either Little or Simons, then I think it might work.
I didn't see that they were saying Not Interested in Harden, just wouldn't trade CJ. Although financially, if they don't trade CJ, they are ruined, so I guess they are really saying Not Interested in Harden. That's just stupid.
 
Let’s see who does and doesn’t wanna trade for Harden after we take our ass beating tonight.
 
riverman said:
it's demonstrable....going toe to toe against the guy rumored to be traded for you is pretty good defense if you want to keep your job
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Oh, CJ was so brilliant and deserves a ton of credit for that performance and his offensive skills overall. I was just making a joke about his defense.
 
Personally, I was for acquiring Harden, but I'm not heartbroken about it. I think he'd make us better, but I don't think he'd make us a true contender since he doesn't elevate the real trouble issues. Neil's going to live and die with this core, although, I'm fairly certain he's going to run before it officially dies.
 
Drttimmy said:
I think he'd make us better, but I don't think he'd make us a true contender since he doesn't elevate the real trouble issues.
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I think it fixes the issue of CJ being a ball stopper on offense. You can rest Dame and have an elite playmaker running the point in those minutes. Their defense is pretty equally below average in my book.
 
craigehlo said:
I think it fixes the issue of CJ being a ball stopper on offense. You can rest Dame and have an elite playmaker running the point in those minutes. Their defense is pretty equally below average in my book.
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Harden's defense is like 150% of what CJ's is. I actually think that's what James Harden is he's 1.5 times the scorer CJ is, he's 1.5 times the passer, he's 1.5 times the defender and has 1.5 times the BBIQ of CJ. That's a gigantic leap forward in all areas.

In the area of defense specifically that big leap forward just means he's an average defender because CJ is far below average. Like in a video game out of 100, CJ would probably get a 40 and Harden would get a 60. I don't look at 2k or anything but I wouldn't be surprised if those were their actual ratings... or since it's video game world where they're trying not to piss players off CJ is a 50 and Harden is a 75 but that's not accurate because CJ isn't half the defender the best perimeter defender in the league is and Harden isn't three fourths of the way there either.
 
blazerkor said:
Harden's defense is like 150% of what CJ's is. I actually think that's what James Harden is he's 1.5 times the scorer CJ is, he's 1.5 times the passer, he's 1.5 times the defender and has 1.5 times the BBIQ of CJ. That's a gigantic leap forward in all areas.

In the area of defense specifically that big leap forward just means he's an average defender because CJ is far below average. Like in a video game out of 100, CJ would probably get a 40 and Harden would get a 60. I don't look at 2k or anything but I wouldn't be surprised if those were their actual ratings... or since it's video game world where they're trying not to piss players off CJ is a 50 and Harden is a 75 but that's not accurate because CJ isn't half the defender the best perimeter defender in the league is and Harden isn't three fourths of the way there either.
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If Houston trades Harden they will send him east and they will get much more than we can over unless we include Dame.
 
santeesioux said:
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OK... so we can relax Blazers world. Neil isn't turning down Harden for CJ or anything crazy like that. NBA Central just took old articles from Quick and pieced them together and applied them to the current situation. That's some bullshit... maybe we should all have a lot more respect for Neil or maybe not but we can't base it on the idea that he "staunchly rejected" trading CJ in a package for James Harden which would have been grounds for torches and pitchforks.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
From some site called Clutchpoints:
"To summarize, the best trade package the Blazers could offer would include McCollum, Collins, Little, Simons, and two future picks.

With Ben Simmons reportedly off the table in Philly, this is one of the best hauls the Rockets could get for their unhappy superstar, elevating the Blazers while Houston fully embraces a rebuild."
https://clutchpoints.com/the-best-trade-blazers-can-offer-rockets-for-james-harden/
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What an overpayment. As the Houston fans say, they won't get an offer that good. I'd give only McCollum and Collins, because I want to get rid of them anyway.

If I had to add a 3rd player, it'd be Simons. No more. If Simons went, we'd need a new 4th guard, Hood, our new catch-and-shoot, mediocre dribbler, like Crabbe. Little has too much potential to go.

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That's the standard lying line. He'd ruin McCollum's focus if he said otherwise.

RR7 said:
oh great, now we're going to get a lot of bitching about CJ being untouchable. Reading the quote from Jason Quick, it sure doesn't seem to relate to this trade. More of a why he's rejected moving him in the past.
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The tweet doesn't accurately reflect its source? I haven't read the article. What's the article's quote backing up the tweet, or failing to back it up?
 
Hoopguru said:
If Houston trades Harden they will send him east and they will get much more than we can over unless we include Dame.
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I've seen too many trades between teams in conference to buy that bullshit any more. Paul George, Russell Westbrook and Chris Paul have all been traded from one Western Conference team to another... um, the Rockets were involved in those trades in fact. If we have the right pieces outside of Dame to acquire Harden is a whole different story.

I just don't know how teams around the league and in this case Houston specifically view CJ's value as a player and then his value when taking into consideration that contract. If CJ isn't seen as having much value then you're right we have very little to offer. If they think CJ is a good to very good player and that his contract won't look too bad in a couple of seasons then I think CJ, all of our young talent and 3 first rounders or CJ, Nurk and 3 first rounders could be enough.

From what I've read from reporters other teams have offered talent like Simmons or the Brooklyn package but not talent and a bunch of draft capital. Although lets say CJ and Nurk isn't as much talent as Simmons or the rumored Brooklyn package, if we were willing to include three first rounders and Houston is rumored to really want picks, then that might be the best offer Houston is going to get in their estimation and enough to let Harden go. We'll see.
 
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jlprk said:
The tweet doesn't accurately reflect its source? I haven't read the article. What's the article's quote backing up the tweet, or failing to back it up?
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Here’s the actual Quick quote about “staunchly” refusing to trade CJ in context:

“Lillard and McCollum don’t just coexist on the court. They are close off it. They vacation together. Workout together. Heck, even their mothers are close. There is a depth and transparency to their relationship that is unmistakable.

It’s why Neil Olshey, the Blazers’ president of basketball operations, has so staunchly rejected the idea of trading McCollum. Years ago, when asked about breaking up the backcourt, Olshey broke from his strict policy of not addressing player contracts or status. He countered with his own question: Why would he break up one of the best backcourts in the NBA?

Today, that question is different, because it involves Harden, who has led the league in scoring the past three seasons. It is unknown whether the Blazers are interested, or have inquired about what it would take to land Harden, but if there was a player who could rival McCollum for holding prime real estate in Olshey’s heart, it would be Harden.”
 


Danny Marang has some great commentary on the Harden situation. Well worth a listen.
 
jlprk said:
The tweet doesn't accurately reflect its source? I haven't read the article. What's the article's quote backing up the tweet, or failing to back it up?
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e_blazer said:
Here’s the actual Quick quote about “staunchly” refusing to trade CJ in context:

“Lillard and McCollum don’t just coexist on the court. They are close off it. They vacation together. Workout together. Heck, even their mothers are close. There is a depth and transparency to their relationship that is unmistakable.

It’s why Neil Olshey, the Blazers’ president of basketball operations, has so staunchly rejected the idea of trading McCollum. Years ago, when asked about breaking up the backcourt, Olshey broke from his strict policy of not addressing player contracts or status. He countered with his own question: Why would he break up one of the best backcourts in the NBA?

Today, that question is different, because it involves Harden, who has led the league in scoring the past three seasons. It is unknown whether the Blazers are interested, or have inquired about what it would take to land Harden, but if there was a player who could rival McCollum for holding prime real estate in Olshey’s heart, it would be Harden.”
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Thanks. So Quick said that Olshey has staunchly rejected a trade in the past, but now for a player vastly better than McCollum, would not reject it out of hand.

The NBA Central tweet is misleading, then. It infers that Olshey rejects it now. The tweet:

Report: Trail Blazers have "staunchly rejected" idea of trading C.J. McCollum"

The past participle of the verb "to reject" is "to have rejected." So the tweeter is technically accurate, but knows that readers will read the verb in the present tense.
 
blazerkor said:
I've seen too many trades between teams in conference to buy that bullshit any more. Paul George, Russell Westbrook and Chris Paul have all been traded from one Western Conference team to another... um, the Rockets were involved in those trades in fact. If we have the right pieces outside of Dame to acquire Harden is a whole different story.

I just don't know how teams around the league and in this case Houston specifically view CJ's value as a player and then his value when taking into consideration that contract. If CJ isn't seen as having much value then you're right we have very little to offer. If they think CJ is a good to very good player and that his contract won't look too bad in a couple of seasons then I think CJ, all of our young talent and 3 first rounders or CJ, Nurk and 3 first rounders could be enough.

From what I've read from reporters other teams have offered talent like Simmons or the Brooklyn package but not talent and a bunch of draft capital. Although lets say CJ and Nurk isn't as much talent as Simmons or the rumored Brooklyn package, if we were willing to include three first rounders and Houston is rumored to really want picks, then that might be the best offer Houston is going to get in their estimation and enough to let Harden go. We'll see.
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Yes but Spurs refused to trade Kawhi to western conference team. Makes sense.
 
KingSpeed said:
Yes but Spurs refused to trade Kawhi to western conference team. Makes sense.
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I get the concept, I just don't think Houston has seemed to care but that was under Morey... so maybe now they won't be willing. I guess we'll see.
 
jlprk said:
That's the standard lying line. He'd ruin McCollum's focus if he said otherwise.
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I would hope it was a lie; although now we seem to be seeing that Olshey didn't even say it?
 
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