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Scalma said:
Harden hasn’t averaged less than 7 APG since 2013. That includes a season where he averaged over 11. His assist percentages the last four seasons: 36,39,45,50 which consistently put him in the top 10. He’s ranked ahead of Lebron the last four seasons.

Also, putting him in the same sentence as CJ is jokes. CJ is not in his zip code.
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I already said my piece after I wrote that. Lol.
 
I don't think Harden actually has interest in becoming a Blazer, though the possibility that he's close with Olshey makes me think that the 0% chance is maybe more like 10%.

The bigger problem is that Portland has nothing to offer. McCollum is not a star, not particularly young and he's way overpaid--pretty much the worst possible asset to offer to a team that's looking to rebuild, trading the second-best player in their history and doesn't want to spend a ton of money. Harden is not in his final year, so Houston doesn't have to be desperate to trade now and, even if they were, they can definitely get better than McCollum. Nothing else Portland has to offer rates as more than a throw-in, for a deal like this. To cut bait on Harden now, a few years before he reaches free agency, Houston is (rightly) going to want a young star, some talented young supporting players and some first round picks.

Finally, even though Portland can't get him, Portland should absolutely want him. He's definitely one of the five best players in the league and arguably a top-ten offensive weapon in NBA history. The upgrade over McCollum shatters the measurement device. Yes, he always wants to be the hub, but he's a hub that's great at getting everyone involved and scores efficiently. You should always want more of those players.
 
My best offer would be McCollum, Trent, Collins, and picks. They’d probably have to throw in a guy like Kenyon Jr just because we’d need to fill out the roster but those are minimal details. We’d also be in the tax, but if you’re getting Harden, you’re clearly going for it.
 
This is an easy yes. Although, I'd be more excited at the prospect of adding Harden if Stotts wasn't our coach.

Stotts would let Harden do whatever he wanted on the court.

I don't think Trent would have to be included.
 
Any deal would include CJ and Trent, I assume.

If you think Harden puts us in a serious place to win, you make that deal. I’d prefer not to deal Trent. But if you think it gives us a chance to win, you make the deal.

I’m not sure where I sit as far as dealing for Harden giving us the chance to win.
 
If we include Trent that leaves Simons, CJ2, and Blevins as backup guards...that’s real bad.

I believe it would take CJ/Zach/Trent and at least 1 first.

Wall
CJ/Trent
House/Gordon
Wood/Tucker
Cousins/Collins

I actually like that for Hou.

Dame/Simons
Harden/CJ2
DJJ/Hood/Nas
RoCo/Melo/Giles
Nurk/Kanter

???

Personally I’d do it, not many teams have 2 top 10 players.
 
Including Trent, Collins and more 1sts on top of CJ is a lot of youth. With Collins being injured, they would have to waive the physical. Would love that to be Kanter instead and give up an extra pick or take the restrictions off the one we already owe them.
 
LayneStaley said:
If we include Trent that leaves Simons, CJ2, and Blevins as backup guards...that’s real bad.

I believe it would take CJ/Zach/Trent and at least 1 first.

Wall
CJ/Trent
House/Gordon
Wood/Tucker
Cousins/Collins

I actually like that for Hou.

Dame/Simons
Harden/CJ2
DJJ/Hood/Nas
RoCo/Melo/Giles
Nurk/Kanter

???

Personally I’d do it, not many teams have 2 top 10 players.
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Nassir would get minutes there.
 
LayneStaley said:
If we include Trent that leaves Simons, CJ2, and Blevins as backup guards...that’s real bad.

I believe it would take CJ/Zach/Trent and at least 1 first.

Wall
CJ/Trent
House/Gordon
Wood/Tucker
Cousins/Collins

I actually like that for Hou.

Dame/Simons
Harden/CJ2
DJJ/Hood/Nas
RoCo/Melo/Giles
Nurk/Kanter

???

Personally I’d do it, not many teams have 2 top 10 players.
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we could also sign some vet that’s still available. There are a couple decent ones, like Korver.
 
LayneStaley said:
If we include Trent that leaves Simons, CJ2, and Blevins as backup guards...that’s real bad.

I believe it would take CJ/Zach/Trent and at least 1 first.

Wall
CJ/Trent
House/Gordon
Wood/Tucker
Cousins/Collins

I actually like that for Hou.

Dame/Simons
Harden/CJ2
DJJ/Hood/Nas
RoCo/Melo/Giles
Nurk/Kanter

???

Personally I’d do it, not many teams have 2 top 10 players.
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I think our lineup after that trade would be

Dame/Simons
Harden/Hood/CJ2
RoCo/DJJ/Nas
Melo/Giles
Nurkic/Kanter
 
Chris Craig said:
I think our lineup after that trade would be

Dame/Simons
Harden/Hood/CJ2
RoCo/DJJ/Nas
Melo/Giles
Nurkic/Kanter
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is that better than:

Paul (26 PER , 10 WS) / Joe Johnson
Harden (MVP yr) / Gordon
Ariza / Gerald Green
Tucker / Ryan Anderson / Mbah a Moute
Capela / Nene
 
Jade Falcon said:
THIS. I don't care if Harden has issues, I would trade CJ for him in a microsecond.

By the way, I haven't been paying attention....what's going on with Harden? Did he piss someone off, or is he just violating COVID bubble rules?
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Why not both?!
 
Just to recap:
We need someone to take the load off Lillard and can handle the ball
We need scoring
Stars never want to come here
We need more playmakers
CJ needs to go
Harden may or may not want to come here and...people don’t want him.

got it
 
RonBrewer said:
As well as a lot of other teams.

Can't even fathom why some would want Fat Harden on the team. He's literally done nothing with better players around him than he will have here.
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I understand why someone doesn't love James Harden, because I don't. I don't follow the logic behind your second point. You think a CJ/Collins for Harden is a lateral move talent wise? Achievment wise?

I'm not saying you're this guy, but we've got people who think a guy in a suit is preventing us from winning 10 extra game. Now the thought of trading the 15th best gaurd in the West for the 2018 MVP, 9 time all-NBA, 31 year old shooting guard, people don't want to do it. I don't follow that logic, at all.

Just from a contract standpoint, a CJ for Harden trade is fantastic.
 
AmirIcon said:
This is an easy yes. Although, I'd be more excited at the prospect of adding Harden if Stotts wasn't our coach.

Stotts would let Harden do whatever he wanted on the court.

I don't think Trent would have to be included.
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He won an MVP with a coach who let him do whatever he wanted, so maybe that's not the worst strategy.
 
calvin natt said:
Just to recap:
We need someone to take the load off Lillard and can handle the ball
We need scoring
Stars never want to come here
We need more playmakers
CJ needs to go
Harden may or may not want to come here and...people don’t want him.

got it
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This thread is so eye opening as to why some of us are always so disappointed in the franchise. We are over the moon trading Mario for Kanter, but half the people don't want to give up an over-paid SG who everyone complains about for an MVP, 9 time all-NBA player.
 
TBpup said:
Including Trent, Collins and more 1sts on top of CJ is a lot of youth. With Collins being injured, they would have to waive the physical. Would love that to be Kanter instead and give up an extra pick or take the restrictions off the one we already owe them.
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thinking at least two 1st rounders. Personally I don’t like Harden but if you get the chance to get top 10 player to go with Dame you’ve got to take it even if it means costing you some of your future. None of those guys listed trading are going to win you a championship. If things don’t work you get your draft picks back by trading Harden and if Dame wants out you get picks and players for him too.
 
Tince said:
This thread is so eye opening as to why some of us are always so disappointed in the franchise. We are over the moon trading Mario for Kanter, but half the people don't want to give up an over-paid SG who everyone complains about for an MVP, 9 time all-NBA player.
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It’s fascinating because there is some validity to the thought that Portland/Neil/Stotts/Damian are too loyal or too personally connected to guys and won’t make changes or hard decisions. And fans in here complain about it. Then some of those people say no to Harden because they personally just don’t like him or his style. I can’t stand Harden as a Rocket but he’s incredible as a player. Sign me up
 
Problem is CJ's contract is terrible and Trent, Zach are up for an extension. To me those are negatives right now because they will end up paying those 3 guys way more than Harden makes and they already have Wall on the books for 44M next season. That needs at least 3-4 1st round picks to balance.
 
Yeah I don’t give a fuck if he lives in a strip club, stars win titles, they are more important in the NBA than any other sport. It would solve the trapping Dame shit and I’d rather take a chance on Harden than pay CJ 100 mil over the next 3 seasons.
 
If this report is actually true and we are actually on the list, we have to do everything we can to get Harden without involving Dame and Nurk. First, this is the first time in forever a superstar has put us on there list. It means, we have the chance to keep him once his contract is up, but even still, this is big and something we have to try. Second, what we have now isn't working. I know Harden doesn't play a lick of a defense, but either does CJ and obviously Harden is far superior offensively. I know there is something to be said about team chemistry as well as Harden's attitude issues, but we have to swing the fences. As is, we aren't a contender. With Harden, we have the chance. Not saying it is guaranteed, but it gives us a chance unlike no chance with the current squad.
 
LayneStaley said:
Yeah I don’t give a fuck if he lives in a strip club, stars win titles,
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He already lives in strip clubs...remind me...how many titles has he got? He's played with great talent his whole career from OKC to Houston....not saying he's not an incredible talent because he is...why do so many players want to get away from his teams? He's been dumped by Durant, Westbrook, CP3, Howard, and a lot of other players that thought he'd get them a ring
 
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