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SlyPokerDog said:
‘It’s a war’: Cowboys for Trump founder says he will fight to the ‘end’ to throw out New Mexico ballots

"Cowboys for Trump" founder Couy Griffin is defiantly refusing to certify the results of New Mexico's primary election in Otero County, where he sits as a commissioner despite his Jan. 6 Capitol trespassing conviction.

"Commissioner Couy Griffin and the other two members of the Otero County Commission are claiming — without evidence, of course — that Dominion voting machines cannot be trusted," CNN's Jake Tapper reporter. "They're echoing former President Trump's conspiracy theories, since disproven, about the 2020 election."

Tapper played a new clip of Griffin discussing his refusal to certify.

"If they want to throw me in jail, if they want to criminally charge me with a felony, I would rather go down with dignity and honor making a sacrifice for the good of my country than try to save myself in this," Griffin said.

"It's a war right now, I feel like," he said of his fight against democracy. "It's like a battle and whenever you're in a battle, and you're engaged, you take it to the end no matter what the personal ramifications may be."

At stake are 7,123 ballots cast in the primary by the citizens of Otero County.

Also on Friday, Griffin was sentenced by U.S. District Judge Trevor N. McFadden.

He was sentenced to 14 days in jail and a $3,000 fine, but was released as he had already spent 20 days in jail in DC after his arrest, The Washington Post reported.

"After his sentencing, Griffin implored reporters to follow up on discredited conspiracy theories about the Capitol’s doors mysteriously opening on Jan. 6, about an Arizona man falsely accused of being an FBI agitator in the crowd, and the possibility that voting machines in New Mexico might be electronically hacked," the newspaper reported. "Instead of taking his case to a jury, Griffin elected a bench trial with McFadden, an appointee of former president Donald Trump. Evidence at his two-day trial showed that Griffin and his videographer climbed over various barricades and barriers, then clambered onto the inauguration stage in front of the Capitol and spent more than an hour speaking through a bullhorn to the surging mob."

https://www.rawstory.com/couy-griffin-2657527654/
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/couy-...ly-realizes-ex-president-is-a-massive-grifter

Founder of ‘Cowboys for Trump’ Finally Realizes Ex-President Is a Massive Grifter

Couy Griffin, the founder of the “Cowboys for Trump” group who once stated his belief that Donald Trump was divinely chosen to rule, appears to have had a belated change of heart. Griffin, a New Mexico county commissioner who was charged for his alleged role in the Capitol riot earlier this year, seemed to turn on Trump during a speech at a QAnon conference in Las Vegas this weekend. According to a video of the speech posted by Raw Story, he told the crowd: “We supported President Trump because of his fight for justice as well, and for four years we cried ‘Lock her up. Lock her up. Lock her up.’ ... What did the president tell us? ‘If I was in charge of the law, you’d be in jail.’ OK, Mr. President, you were in charge of the law for four years. At the end of your four year time, the only ones that were locked up were men like me, and others like me, that have stood by the president the strongest.” Federal prosecutors have offered Griffin a plea deal in the hope of resolving his Jan. 6 misdemeanor charges......
 
jonnyboy said:
Thanks for taking the time to post this.
The problem I have with these articles is they are completely based around one nugget of truth that is more or less inconsequential and they build their case around it. They take one fact or quote (Epps’ lawyer stating he’s not FBI in this case) then expound on it, requote it and surround it with fluff like “misinformation experts say…”. Next thing you know this one article is taken and parroted by ten other outlets under the proclamation of “it’s being reported that so and so…” which morphs into “debunked”. The news skirts the truth until a story takes on a life of its own and an entire premise is built. And it’s not just the left or liberal outlets. Almost all mainstream news stories seem to be built this way.
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Solid. Just wanted to point out that I agree with you. It reminds me of the Mueller report, and how the document states clearly that Trump was not exonerated. But, once the president's lawyers stated that he was vindicated, and the right wing media ran with that statement, there was no defeating that narrative.

And yes, this happens all the time, with every side. I may be liberally inclined, but I really don't trust much media.
 
This was a Republican primary. All voters were Republicans.
 
jonnyboy said:
When something like 13 out of 19 of the would-be “kidnappers” were working for the FBI and solely responsible for organizing the plot and handling all the logistics, and the few non-FBI conspirators were low-functioning, low IQ backwoods grunts that were swindled into the plan, it really starts to just look like a big fuck off waste of time. I doubt the other five or six were even intelligent enough to plan such a thing by themselves, let alone pull it off. Without the nudging of the FBI they’d probably still be sitting in a bar somewhere bitchin’ ‘bout liberals.
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That’s a stretch but you keep doing you. It’s entertaining anyway.
 
If a person has matured, developed an intellect and has a sense of conviction about what's right and wrong then they've more than likely already grown bullshit filters for media sensationalized output....and you look at a thousand pieces of information and find a few that ring true. Then come to your own conclusions or new sets of questions but it's not as simple as all media bad...all sides equally bad...that's the impatient way of looking at the legislative, executive and judicial branches of our government...the Republicans have glaringly lied about some pretty important events and are still stalemating stubbornly against the truth....doesn' t take a degree in political science to see a lie, obstruction of justice or an illegal movement to thwart the democratic process...How some folks just haven't been able to face the truth and stand together baffles the mind...this whole, "yeah but maybe they suck too" isn't solving our current problem
 
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jonnyboy said:
That January 6 was a riot, and that riots also happened the previous summer, and I think the two are comparable without lending any extra credit to one or the other. That’s literally the only opinion I tried to relay. People here are way out in the woods trying to formulate some wild theories about what I’m actually, secretly suggesting (see rivermans long-winded posts, if you’ve got the time and patience). Somehow black people were brought into the discussion by others and it was turned around on me, when I have zero racial bias pertaining to the situation and never even remotely brought it up. I really find skin tone to be completely irrelevant here. There’s really no undertones to what I’m saying, it’s pretty face value and people are refusing to address it that way.
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No, it was an attempted coup de 'tat inside our Capitol building. This is once in a lifetime monumental event. This was no mere petty riot, it was history making by a lot of traitors. Except for a couple of spies I've never heard of any traitors and my bet is I'll never see that many traitors in one place and no one else ever.
 
Shaboid said:
I feel so terrible for Miss Ruby. What sad fools the people are that doxed her and treated her that way, all in the name of Trump's lies.
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Every Republican should be forced to watch that testimony and that of her poor mother over and over....to me this was a slam dunk day for holding Trump accountable and highlighting the biggest liar to ever hold public office on recorded phone calls bullying our public servants....Republicans should be outraged at how many Republicans have been threatened by members of their own party over this ...this is way bigger than Watergate
 
Shaboid said:
I feel so terrible for Miss Ruby. What sad fools the people are that doxed her and treated her that way, all in the name of Trump's lies.
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She, her mother and grandmother were basically mentally and emotionally tortured over this...this is what the KKK would do to people who stood up for themselves but yeah ...let's not teach CRT in schools eh? Trumps lies chased the poor senior citizen out of her own home...people should be ashamed
 
riverman said:
She, her mother and grandmother were basically mentally and emotionally tortured over this...this is what the KKK would do to people who stood up for themselves but yeah ...let's not teach CRT in schools eh? Trumps lies chased the poor senior citizen out of her own home...people should be ashamed
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Oh, you don't need to tell me. Makes me sick.
 
DeSantis is watching......and strategizing. He's no Trump clone.
 
Yes, DeathSantis learning from the previous guy's mistakes. A failed insurrection is a rehearsal.

Unlike elected officials, those two ladies in Georgia had no security system supporting them. This was a lynch mob.
 
Oh how I wish there was a Republican left here who could explain the modern GOP to us. Maris could not. @ABM, you seem too reasonable to be hoodwinked by the Trump lie machine.

How anyone can watch these hearing and not be OUTRAGED is beyond comprehension. The GOP used to be the law-and-order party. But clearly, they no longer believe in the law part. Trump actively tried to lie, cheat, steal and ruin our beautiful system of government, and of course, got rich defrauding people in the process.

What happened to the Republican Party????
 
Stevenson said:
Oh how I wish there was a Republican left here who could explain the modern GOP to us. Maris could not. @ABM, you seem too reasonable to be hoodwinked by the Trump lie machine.

How anyone can watch these hearing and not be OUTRAGED is beyond comprehension. The GOP used to be the law-and-order party. But clearly, they no longer believe in the law part. Trump actively tried to lie, cheat, steal and ruin our beautiful system of government, and of course, got rich defrauding people in the process.

What happened to the Republican Party????
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Trump ain't it. We were hoping he would deliver on his drain-the-swamp promise, but he got too caught up in himself.
 
ABM said:
Trump ain't it. We were hoping he would deliver on his drain-the-swamp promise, but he got too caught up in himself.
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He ruined innocent hard working people's lives and careers over his lie...watch the testimony today and this is more than "about him" it's about something much bigger and more important.
 
Stevenson said:
Oh how I wish there was a Republican left here who could explain the modern GOP to us. Maris could not. @ABM, you seem too reasonable to be hoodwinked by the Trump lie machine.

How anyone can watch these hearing and not be OUTRAGED is beyond comprehension. The GOP used to be the law-and-order party. But clearly, they no longer believe in the law part. Trump actively tried to lie, cheat, steal and ruin our beautiful system of government, and of course, got rich defrauding people in the process.

What happened to the Republican Party????
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Talk radio divided and conquered the unions.
 
barfo said:
I guess he doesn't care how much corruption there is, as long as he isn't at risk of being personally implicated.

barfo
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Maybe God draws a very specific line. And this guy is definitely trying to get into heaven at this point in his life.
 
The only thing that helped us, really, is that Trump fans are, like him, bad at making things work.

 
Stevenson said:
Oh how I wish there was a Republican left here who could explain the modern GOP to us. Maris could not. @ABM, you seem too reasonable to be hoodwinked by the Trump lie machine.

How anyone can watch these hearing and not be OUTRAGED is beyond comprehension. The GOP used to be the law-and-order party. But clearly, they no longer believe in the law part. Trump actively tried to lie, cheat, steal and ruin our beautiful system of government, and of course, got rich defrauding people in the process.

What happened to the Republican Party????
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This is not the Republican party. It the Trump party of thugs, liars, thieves and the lowest of life.
 
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