Politics Jan 6th hearings, the big reveal!

[riverman]

I think hard labor with no media access for life is a fitting punishment...let them bust rocks on the border and hire some Mexican security guards to herd them while they tear down that fucking wall. No golf...no conjugal visits...no internet...no cell phones...just hammers and wheelbarrows and orange jumpsuits...hard work is the best way to pay back society for crimes commited...but no perks...just work, endless, day after day doing what illegals flocked here to do...and let them take orders from guards who only speak in Spanish. Payback should be a motherfucker..death is too merciful

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

The STOP THE STEAL S2 repubs sure are quiet this summer

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

“Wouldn’t it be cool if you overturned the election?”

Trump to Pence

 

[jonnyboy]

Yeah, a bunch of dipshits that wanted to murder members of congress and came close to snatching up the VP to hang him. Just because they failed doesn’t mean what they attempted to do wasn’t extremely dangerous and should be brushed off as just a riot. Where do you think we would be today as a country had those dimpshits succeeded? Do you think millions of people would just accept that their votes be thrown out?

But really, I’m much more interested in holding accountable the people egging on those dipshits, starting with Trump and his enablers. Those fucks are the real traitors and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. The dipshits that attacked the Capitol are losers and are already serving life’s punishment.

Should Ray Epps be charged also?

 

[Haakzilla]

Yes, anyone and everyone in on "the plan".

 

[jonnyboy]

Yes, anyone and everyone in on "the plan".

The FBI?

 

[Haakzilla]

The FBI?

...oh, I mixed up names here -- thought that was one of the senators involved. Took all of 3 minutes to figure out that you're touting another debunked talking point bringing up Ray Epps and insinuating this entire thing was orchestrated by the FBI. Lol gtfoh

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

Should Ray Epps be charged also?

I thought the Ray Epps red herring was utterly debunked months ago. Pushing a Ted Cruz narrative not only isn't a good look, it's pushing something that is virtually certain to be a lie.

 

[jonnyboy]

...oh, I mixed up names here -- thought that was one of the senators involved. Took all of 3 minutes to figure out that you're touting another debunked talking point bringing up Ray Epps and insinuating this entire thing was orchestrated by the FBI. Lol gtfoh

He may or may not have any link to the FBI, there’s no proof. But why is the most documented individual and the one seen on video for two days demanding people go into the capitol not charged with anything? Seems weird. It’s also weird that the FBI squirms when asked about it under oath. They refuse to simply say ‘no’ when asked if he has any connection to the bureau. I just don’t think it’s that far fetched after the entire Whitmer kidnapping scheme that was almost entirely orchestrated by the FBI. It wouldn’t give a pass to anyone who committed crimes that day but it’d certainly be interesting to know more about it, or at least get a definitive answer from the FBI.

 

[calvin natt]

Again. It’s a good thing Liberals aren’t the gun types generally (everyone relax yes some own guns) or the sniper assassination group or Trump would have been picked off a long time ago. The crazies on the right never would put up with this piece of shit for this long. Need a good old redneck with the big truck and American flag out the back to change sides.

 

[jonnyboy]

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I thought the Ray Epps red herring was utterly debunked months ago. Pushing a Ted Cruz narrative not only isn't a good look, it's pushing something that is virtually certain to be a lie.

Utterly debunked is a stretch. The FBI won’t even flatly deny it. I may have missed out on a statement by them or testimony under oath where they did deny it, but so far I haven’t seen it. You might be able to pull up something I haven’t seen?

And to be fair, this entire thread so far is speculative and fueled by theories that have yet to be proven. I think the point of these hearings is to bring some of these theories to light and put others to bed. Maybe we’ll all know a little more by the time it’s over. Probably not, but maybe.

 

[jonnyboy]

Again. It’s a good thing Liberals aren’t the gun types generally (everyone relax yes some own guns) or the sniper assassination group or Trump would have been picked off a long time ago. The crazies on the right never would put up with this piece of shit for this long. Need a good old redneck with the big truck and American flag out the back to change sides.

You just admitted your side is crazy and relented that the people who own most of the guns are not out in the streets using them because they are not the crazy ones.

Nice.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

I love me some Flynn tears

 

[crandc]

I'm a traitor so send money.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

You just admitted your side is crazy and relented that the people who own most of the guns are not out in the streets using them because they are not the crazy ones.

Nice.

MAG Pie…

Officer Brian Sicknick would disagree

 

[Fairly-Hard]

So now the Whitmer kidnapping scheme was by the FBI also?
I think there is a fly in the soup somewhere?

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

Utterly debunked is a stretch. The FBI won’t even flatly deny it. I may have missed out on a statement by them or testimony under oath where they did deny it, but so far I haven’t seen it. You might be able to pull up something I haven’t seen?

And to be fair, this entire thread so far is speculative and fueled by theories that have yet to be proven. I think the point of these hearings is to bring some of these theories to light and put others to bed. Maybe we’ll all know a little more by the time it’s over. Probably not, but maybe.

Well........below is the most up to date on the Ray Epps thing I can find. No idea what The Daily Dot is, or to which side it leans. But it's pretty much par with everything else I have read about Epps to this point. I think the bigger news outlets have moved one from that individual.
https://www.dailydot.com/debug/ray-epps-conspiracy-january-6-committee-hearings/

 

[Fairly-Hard]

You just admitted your side is crazy and relented that the people who own most of the guns are not out in the streets using them because they are not the crazy ones.

Nice.

No that’s not what he said but we understand that you like to spin stuff. So spin away.

 

[Haakzilla]

He may or may not have any link to the FBI, there’s no proof. But why is the most documented individual and the one seen on video for two days demanding people go into the capitol not charged with anything? Seems weird. It’s also weird that the FBI squirms when asked about it under oath. They refuse to simply say ‘no’ when asked if he has any connection to the bureau. I just don’t think it’s that far fetched after the entire Whitmer kidnapping scheme that was almost entirely orchestrated by the FBI. It wouldn’t give a pass to anyone who committed crimes that day but it’d certainly be interesting to know more about it, or at least get a definitive answer from the FBI.

With the January 6 committee hearings under way in Washington, claims pinning the Capitol attack on Epps were back in Americans' social media feeds. Misinformation experts say it is part of an ongoing effort to shift blame for the actions of those involved in the insurrection.

"Motivated reasoning is key to understanding this: The conspiracy theory acts as evidence that the people on one's political side or in their party aren't so bad, they were merely egged on by a nefarious deep state plot," said Adam Enders, an assistant professor of political science at the University of Louisville.

Ethan Porter, an assistant professor of media and public affairs at George Washington University, agreed, saying the theory is "not a denial that something happened -- it's a denial of responsibility, of culpability."

"If I were a Trump supporter, I would have to reconcile my support for Trump with what happened that day," Porter told AFP.

Informant claims are unproven
More than a year after they first emerged online, claims that Epps is an FBI informant remain unproven. Multiple news organizations have reported on the matter.

Epps' lawyer, John Blischak, told AFP that, in addition to meeting with the January 6 committee, the pair "personally met with the FBI and answered all their questions."

"There has been no evidence established that Mr. Epps was a former FBI agent nor did he receive any compensation from the FBI," Blischak said in an email.

The US attorney's office in the District of Columbia has charged more than 800 people in connection to the Capitol riot. Epps is not one of them, nor is he wanted by the FBI.

Michael Jensen, a senior researcher at the University of Maryland's National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism (START), told AFP in an email that there is "absolutely no evidence" that Epps was an FBI informant on January 6.

"These claims, which have been circulating online for months and have been pushed by some Republicans in Congress and right-wing TV personalities, have been decisively debunked," he said.

Jensen added that Epps "has consistently referred to himself as a Trump supporter that attended the January 6th rally because he firmly believed the election had been stolen from the former president."

Jensen also pointed out that audio submitted in court in June revealed that in interviews with the FBI after the attack, Epps told investigators that he was trying to calm the rioters.

SOURCE: https://factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.32CF2ZM

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

So now the Whitmer kidnapping scheme was by the FBI also?
I think there is a fly in the soup somewhere?

The FBI caught wind of those whack jobs kicking around the idea of kidnapping Whitmer, so they "encouraged" them to actually try to go through with it. It actually isn't a "new" thing for the FBI. They are just about as corrupt as both of our political parties.........

 

[calvin natt]

You just admitted your side is crazy and relented that the people who own most of the guns are not out in the streets using them because they are not the crazy ones.

Nice.

What are you even talking about Wait don’t answer I don’t care

 

[jonnyboy]

MAG Pie…

Officer Brian Sicknick would disagree

Was he the one who died of a heart attack two days later, or one of the other accidental deaths that was not firearm related?
I can’t remember.
The only gun death that day was a woman who was actually shot BY the capitol police.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Was he the one who died of a heart attack two days later, or one of the other accidental deaths that was not firearm related?
I can’t remember.
The only gun death that day was a woman who was actually shot BY the capitol police.

So much spin, Mr Rhoten.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Was he the one who died of a heart attack two days later, or one of the other accidental deaths that was not firearm related?
I can’t remember.
The only gun death that day was a woman who was actually shot BY the capitol police.

Much deserved.

Play dumb games - win dumb prizes.

 

[jonnyboy]

So much spin, Mr Rhoten.

Not a single person died at the hands of a rioter or “insurrectionist” on January 6. It’s not spin, it’s just a fact. I know it’s a tough pill to swallow when you’ve been parroting it for so long. Everyone else has moved on to the “the nation almost fell that day” angle. I suggest you jump on the bandwagon. We’ve moved on to bigger and more exciting things.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Not a single person died at the hands of a rioter or “insurrectionist” on January 6. It’s not spin, it’s just a fact. I know it’s a tough pill to swallow when you’ve been parroting it for so long. Everyone else has moved on to the “the nation almost fell that day” angle. I suggest you jump on the bandwagon.

Yawn.

Breaking into the capital while yelling “let’s get that fucker!” — what did she expect from an armed guard?

Lets also not gloss over that this riot was based purely on lies. The dumb fuck Trumpanzee allies left a paper trail a mile long

Instead of spinning shit, let’s hear your take on a the insurrection. I’m all ears, Johnny Rhoten.

 

[Fairly-Hard]

The FBI caught wind of those whack jobs kicking around the idea of kidnapping Whitmer, so they "encouraged" them to actually try to go through with it. It actually isn't a "new" thing for the FBI. They are just about as corrupt as both of our political parties.........

No that’s not what happened. What they did was simply allow them to continue to plot so they could catch everyone involved. Big difference from helping or egging them on. I like your wording though. “Encouraged “ that sounds better.

 

[jonnyboy]

No that’s not what happened. What they did was simply allow them to continue to plot so they could catch everyone involved. Big difference from helping or egging them on. I like your wording though. “Encouraged “ that sounds better.

When something like 13 out of 19 of the would-be “kidnappers” were working for the FBI and solely responsible for organizing the plot and handling all the logistics, and the few non-FBI conspirators were low-functioning, low IQ backwoods grunts that were swindled into the plan, it really starts to just look like a big fuck off waste of time. I doubt the other five or six were even intelligent enough to plan such a thing by themselves, let alone pull it off. Without the nudging of the FBI they’d probably still be sitting in a bar somewhere bitchin’ ‘bout liberals.

 

[jonnyboy]

With the January 6 committee hearings under way in Washington, claims pinning the Capitol attack on Epps were back in Americans' social media feeds. Misinformation experts say it is part of an ongoing effort to shift blame for the actions of those involved in the insurrection.

"Motivated reasoning is key to understanding this: The conspiracy theory acts as evidence that the people on one's political side or in their party aren't so bad, they were merely egged on by a nefarious deep state plot," said Adam Enders, an assistant professor of political science at the University of Louisville.

Ethan Porter, an assistant professor of media and public affairs at George Washington University, agreed, saying the theory is "not a denial that something happened -- it's a denial of responsibility, of culpability."

"If I were a Trump supporter, I would have to reconcile my support for Trump with what happened that day," Porter told AFP.

Informant claims are unproven
More than a year after they first emerged online, claims that Epps is an FBI informant remain unproven. Multiple news organizations have reported on the matter.

Epps' lawyer, John Blischak, told AFP that, in addition to meeting with the January 6 committee, the pair "personally met with the FBI and answered all their questions."

"There has been no evidence established that Mr. Epps was a former FBI agent nor did he receive any compensation from the FBI," Blischak said in an email.

The US attorney's office in the District of Columbia has charged more than 800 people in connection to the Capitol riot. Epps is not one of them, nor is he wanted by the FBI.

Michael Jensen, a senior researcher at the University of Maryland's National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism (START), told AFP in an email that there is "absolutely no evidence" that Epps was an FBI informant on January 6.

"These claims, which have been circulating online for months and have been pushed by some Republicans in Congress and right-wing TV personalities, have been decisively debunked," he said.

Jensen added that Epps "has consistently referred to himself as a Trump supporter that attended the January 6th rally because he firmly believed the election had been stolen from the former president."

Jensen also pointed out that audio submitted in court in June revealed that in interviews with the FBI after the attack, Epps told investigators that he was trying to calm the rioters.

SOURCE: https://factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.32CF2ZM

Thanks for taking the time to post this.
The problem I have with these articles is they are completely based around one nugget of truth that is more or less inconsequential and they build their case around it. They take one fact or quote (Epps’ lawyer stating he’s not FBI in this case) then expound on it, requote it and surround it with fluff like “misinformation experts say…”. Next thing you know this one article is taken and parroted by ten other outlets under the proclamation of “it’s being reported that so and so…” which morphs into “debunked”. The news skirts the truth until a story takes on a life of its own and an entire premise is built. And it’s not just the left or liberal outlets. Almost all mainstream news stories seem to be built this way.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

‘It’s a war’: Cowboys for Trump founder says he will fight to the ‘end’ to throw out New Mexico ballots

"Cowboys for Trump" founder Couy Griffin is defiantly refusing to certify the results of New Mexico's primary election in Otero County, where he sits as a commissioner despite his Jan. 6 Capitol trespassing conviction.

"Commissioner Couy Griffin and the other two members of the Otero County Commission are claiming — without evidence, of course — that Dominion voting machines cannot be trusted," CNN's Jake Tapper reporter. "They're echoing former President Trump's conspiracy theories, since disproven, about the 2020 election."

Tapper played a new clip of Griffin discussing his refusal to certify.

"If they want to throw me in jail, if they want to criminally charge me with a felony, I would rather go down with dignity and honor making a sacrifice for the good of my country than try to save myself in this," Griffin said.

"It's a war right now, I feel like," he said of his fight against democracy. "It's like a battle and whenever you're in a battle, and you're engaged, you take it to the end no matter what the personal ramifications may be."

At stake are 7,123 ballots cast in the primary by the citizens of Otero County.

Also on Friday, Griffin was sentenced by U.S. District Judge Trevor N. McFadden.

He was sentenced to 14 days in jail and a $3,000 fine, but was released as he had already spent 20 days in jail in DC after his arrest, The Washington Post reported.

"After his sentencing, Griffin implored reporters to follow up on discredited conspiracy theories about the Capitol’s doors mysteriously opening on Jan. 6, about an Arizona man falsely accused of being an FBI agitator in the crowd, and the possibility that voting machines in New Mexico might be electronically hacked," the newspaper reported. "Instead of taking his case to a jury, Griffin elected a bench trial with McFadden, an appointee of former president Donald Trump. Evidence at his two-day trial showed that Griffin and his videographer climbed over various barricades and barriers, then clambered onto the inauguration stage in front of the Capitol and spent more than an hour speaking through a bullhorn to the surging mob."

https://www.rawstory.com/couy-griffin-2657527654/