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In 48 years of voting I have never, ever, never been a party line voter. I have always voted my conscience, supporting candidates I believed were most qualified, regardless of party affiliation. And this past election was no different. And while I tend to lean more left than right, I’ve always been a sucker for a moderate who knows how to effectively navigate the center. All that said, the trulyunhinged (and genuinely treasonable) actions of today’s Republican Party will never make America “great again” (assuming we actually ever truly were) unless and until they purge themselves of the traitors, demagogues and narcissists that are currently hell bent on taking this country into an autocracy at best and a fascist dictatorship at worst. These mouth breathing Neanderthals don’t even know what America means.

I realize that my vote doesn’t make much difference (and if the Republicans have their say my vote won’t make ANY difference) but the Republican shenanigans of 2020 have absolutely guaranteed that I will never, ever, never vote for another Republican for any position at any level again in this lifetime, even if it’s for dog catcher. The Republican Party should be outlawed forever after their treasonous actions. I was more than a little ashamed of the meltdown by the Left after the 2016 election but they look like absolute rank amateurs compared to the Right wing idiots of 2020. The former should retreat to their safe spaces while the latter should be deported to whatever shithole country promises to make their lives the most miserable. They don’t deserve anyone’s version of America. Oh, to have actual functioning adults in our government, rather than spoiled, selfish children........fuck the Republicans all to hell and beyond. A class load of 5 year olds has more grace, maturity and intelligence (my apologies if I have insulted 5 year olds.....)
 
In 48 years of voting I have never, ever, never been a party line voter. I have always voted my conscience, supporting candidates I believed were most qualified, regardless of party affiliation. And this past election was no different. And while I tend to lean more left than right, I’ve always been a sucker for a moderate who knows how to effectively navigate the center. All that said, the trulyunhinged (and genuinely treasonable) actions of today’s Republican Party will never make America “great again” (assuming we actually ever truly were) unless and until they purge themselves of the traitors, demagogues and narcissists that are currently hell bent on taking this country into an autocracy at best and a fascist dictatorship at worst. These mouth breathing Neanderthals don’t even know what America means.

I realize that my vote doesn’t make much difference (and if the Republicans have their say my vote won’t make ANY difference) but the Republican shenanigans of 2020 have absolutely guaranteed that I will never, ever, never vote for another Republican for any position at any level again in this lifetime, even if it’s for dog catcher. The Republican Party should be outlawed forever after their treasonous actions. I was more than a little ashamed of the meltdown by the Left after the 2016 election but they look like absolute rank amateurs compared to the Right wing idiots of 2020. The former should retreat to their safe spaces while the latter should be deported to whatever shithole country promises to make their lives the most miserable. They don’t deserve anyone’s version of America. Oh, to have actual functioning adults in our government, rather than spoiled, selfish children........fuck the Republicans all to hell and beyond. A class load of 5 year olds has more grace, maturity and intelligence (my apologies if I have insulted 5 year olds.....)
Exactly! Amazing how much of this is fueled by Confederate nostagia.....Republican party has damaged the country over the last 4 years, possibly irreparably. Most divisive administration in American history and the lack of accountability concerning honesty is appalling and very Putinesque if you ask me. Love and loyalty require unconditional trust and our govt has thrown that in the rubbish bin
 
In 48 years of voting I have never, ever, never been a party line voter. I have always voted my conscience, supporting candidates I believed were most qualified, regardless of party affiliation. And this past election was no different. And while I tend to lean more left than right, I’ve always been a sucker for a moderate who knows how to effectively navigate the center. All that said, the trulyunhinged (and genuinely treasonable) actions of today’s Republican Party will never make America “great again” (assuming we actually ever truly were) unless and until they purge themselves of the traitors, demagogues and narcissists that are currently hell bent on taking this country into an autocracy at best and a fascist dictatorship at worst. These mouth breathing Neanderthals don’t even know what America means.

I realize that my vote doesn’t make much difference (and if the Republicans have their say my vote won’t make ANY difference) but the Republican shenanigans of 2020 have absolutely guaranteed that I will never, ever, never vote for another Republican for any position at any level again in this lifetime, even if it’s for dog catcher. The Republican Party should be outlawed forever after their treasonous actions. I was more than a little ashamed of the meltdown by the Left after the 2016 election but they look like absolute rank amateurs compared to the Right wing idiots of 2020. The former should retreat to their safe spaces while the latter should be deported to whatever shithole country promises to make their lives the most miserable. They don’t deserve anyone’s version of America. Oh, to have actual functioning adults in our government, rather than spoiled, selfish children........fuck the Republicans all to hell and beyond. A class load of 5 year olds has more grace, maturity and intelligence (my apologies if I have insulted 5 year olds.....)

"MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN"~ The Trumplicans destroyed their own battle call. They piss me off and made more upset than the fool in the POTUS seat. Treasonous Bastards.
 
In 2016 Clinton supporters were shocked over election results, bitter about Comey going outside procedure for what turned out to be nothing, press coverage that clearly favored Trump, etc. A few people hatched some hairbrained schemes to stop electoral college certification but they remained fringe and certainly no one called for violence. Instead women worldwide held the largest and entirely peaceful protest in history.

Clinton and President Obama attended the inauguration. Obama offered full cooperation during transition, although Trump largely refused because he knows more than anyone else.

I am a registered independent but I can't "both sides".

Only one side is promoting treason and insurrection.
 
No offense but you are now starting to believe this? I mean, I’m all for people coming around to the obvious but cmon

Believe for sure? Nah... Think it isnt' out of the realm of possibilities?

Hell yeah!
 
Treason!! Where is Pelosi and Schiff when you need them?
 
A scary thought. Mostly because its in the realm of possibility. After Biden is confirmed on the 6th, Trump will have 14 days to fuck shit up. I could see him bombing Iran just because he is pissed off.
More likely he's going to spend his time pardoning every asshole you can think of.
 
More likely he's going to spend his time pardoning every asshole you can think of.
I think both of your points are valid. My concern/questions come from the US military and the Democrats.
 
Kyle Cheney and Melanie Zanona
Sun, January 3, 2021, 1:46 PM EST


The rules of Congress' Jan. 6 session governing the counting of Electoral College votes will remain identical to those used for decades, under a resolution adopted Sunday by the House and Senate.

The rules, first obtained by POLITICO, were passed on voice votes in both chambers, in keeping with recent history in which they've been uncontroversial afterthoughts in the process of finalizing the results of presidential elections.

As dozens of Republicans in the House and Senate threaten to challenge President-elect Joe Biden's victory — citing baseless claims of widespread fraud and irregularities — the rules have taken on new prominence, but none of those Republicans sought to block the adoption of the rules, even though some had supported an effort to block them in court.

The rules were introduced amid the first indications of GOP pushback to the election challenges inside the House, where dozens of Republicans are embracing President Donald Trump's push to object to the election's certification.


A group of seven House Republicans — including Freedom Caucus members such as Ken Buck (Colo.) and Chip Roy (Texas) as well as Rep.-elect Nancy Mace (S.C.) and libertarian Rep. Thomas Massie (R-Ky.) — put out a rare and lengthy statement Sunday afternoon opposing the effort to challenge the election. The statement was also signed by Reps. Kelly Armstrong (R-N.D.), Mike Gallagher (R-Wis.) and Tom McClintock (R-Calif.).~ Reasonable Republicans who realize Trump is nuts.
 
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To quote Jerry Seinfeld, "Who are these people??"

My Trumpian friend is convinced the election was stolen and there is nothing wrong with this attempted coup. That not one single lawsuit has been proven meritorious is irrelevant.

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To quote Jerry Seinfeld, "Who are these people??"

My Trumpian friend is convinced the election was stolen and there is nothing wrong with this attempted coup. That not one single lawsuit has been proven meritorious is irrelevant.

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I am almost at the point (might already be there) where I just cannot be friends with you if you still support trump. At the beginning, i was fine - it was just a difference of opinion. This has turned to more than just political opinions though. If you support Trump, you support everything about him - you dont get to pick and choose. If you support his tax policies because they help you, but turn a blind eye to how he treats people, ignores laws, bullies politicians, gives money to his friends, pardons criminals, benefits from racists support, then you are a selfish prick. And I dont want selfish pricks as friends. It sucks, because I have a couple family members who are still with Trump, and I dont even want to talk or see them, but I cant wrap my head around supporting such an awful, pathetic, egotistical pile of shit.
 
I am almost at the point (might already be there) where I just cannot be friends with you if you still support trump. At the beginning, i was fine - it was just a difference of opinion. This has turned to more than just political opinions though. If you support Trump, you support everything about him - you dont get to pick and choose. If you support his tax policies because they help you, but turn a blind eye to how he treats people, ignores laws, bullies politicians, gives money to his friends, pardons criminals, benefits from racists support, then you are a selfish prick. And I dont want selfish pricks as friends. It sucks, because I have a couple family members who are still with Trump, and I dont even want to talk or see them, but I cant wrap my head around supporting such an awful, pathetic, egotistical pile of shit.
CN: From what I read @Stevenson was referring to his friend not His allegiance to Trump.
 
What Republicans are doing is a dress rehearsal for some time in future when they control both houses of Congress and a Democrat is elected president. They can either then block electoral college or send results back to heavily gerrymandered state legislatures or congressional delegations.

This isn't a joke.
 
yes - i followed that. he has a friend who is all in with trump, and i was just referring to myself, I cant have those friends anymore.

I get it. This guy is not a close friend, be wants to text about politics with me, so I am trying to be the change I want to see and have a rational debate with him. Showing him we on the left are reasonable, patriotic in our way, intelligent, etc.

But truly, it is difficult. We keep it light to the extent we can, but I find that he is really a low information voter, relying on Newsmax and the president for his facts. :(
 
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-pence-nice-career-shame-040335257.html

At his rally on the eve of the Georgia runoff election, President Donald Trump took out his frustration on his now familiar comfort piñatas—Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp, the U.S. Supreme Court, and RINOs of all stripes—as he struggles to cope with his loss in the 2020 election.

But on the stage on Monday night in Dalton, Georgia, he added a new one: Vice President Mike Pence.

“I hope Mike Pence comes through for us,” said Trump, in front of a cheering throng of supporters. “If he doesn’t come through, I won’t like him quite as much.”

The ostensible purpose of Trump’s trip to Georgia was to boost Sens. Kelly Loeffler (R-GA) and David Perdue (R-GA) as they fight to hold their Senate seats—and the GOP’s Senate majority—in Tuesday’s run-off elections, not to issue a veiled threat to the vice president to somehow block the certification of Joe Biden’s Electoral College victory on Wednesday in the Senate.

But it was just one moment out of many during a lengthy speech in which the outgoing president delivered his perfunctory lines supporting the GOP senators, but buried them within winding tirades in which he surfaced new lies and old conspiracies about the 2020 election. The focus, as ever, was on him and the election that just passed, not on the pair of GOP senators facing a hugely consequential election that looms on Tuesday.

The president used his perch in Dalton—possibly his last major political rally before leaving office—to solidify his list of enemies in front of his most dedicated supporters. After openly encouraging a primary challenge to Kemp, his former ally who has declined to overthrow Georgia’s election results, at a rally last month, Trump vowed on Monday to personally campaign against Kemp when he faces re-election next year.

I'll be here in about a year and a half campaigning against your governor,” said Trump. “I guarantee that."

Trump also teed off on Brad Raffensperger, the Georgia secretary of state, a day after the Washington Post reported on a call between the two in which Trump urged Raffensperger to “recalculate” the election results and find 11,000 new votes for himself.

The nation’s high court was also booed and jeered at the rally, for not entertaining Team Trump’s failed legal effort to overturn the 2020 election. “I’m not happy with the Supreme Court,” complained Trump. “They’re not stepping up to the plate.”

The president also hinted at some future targets of his ire—some of whom were sitting in the crowd. On two occasions, Trump expressed his frustration that Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT), who has been campaigning for Loeffler and Perdue in Georgia and was in Dalton, did not sign on to a doomed effort from GOP senators to block Biden’s Electoral College victory. On Monday, Lee circulated a letter among senators opposing that effort.

"I'm a little angry at you today,” Trump to Lee from the stage. Later, he said, “I just want Mike Lee to listen to this, when I’m talking.”

The president also nodded to a future star of the MAGA movement—newly-minted Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA), a QAnon-embracing conspiracy theorist who represents Dalton. Trump invited her to speak from the podium, where she made a plea for increased turnout.

“Our district has to show up,” she said. “We are not going to let Georgia go to to radical socialists.” Indeed, Perdue and Loeffler will need massive turnout on Election Day in this deep-red swath of Georgia—which has lagged behind in early voting—in order to win.

When Trump did talk about the runoff race, he zeroed in on the Democratic candidates, Jon Ossoff and Raphael Warnock, with attacks as much as he praised the GOP senators.

“You cannot lose these two people… they are the most respected people,” said Trump of the duo. “The Democrats are trying to steal the White House, you cannot let them… David and Kelly are running against the most extreme liberal candidates in the history of your state, probably in the history of your country.”

When Loeffler got her moment at the mic, most of her precious time focused on Trump and her election-eve pledge to object to the Electoral College certification on Wednesday—the day after the runoff.

“That’s right,” she said to cheers. “We’re gonna get this done!”
 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/thing-mike-pence-heckled-georgia-201111505.html

Mike Pence was heckled during a campaign rally in Georgia to “do the right thing on January 6”.

The vice president ignored the comment from a man in the audience as he continued to stump for Kelly Loeffler and David Perdue in the Senate runoff election.

"You know, I know we've all got our doubts about the last election. And I want to assure you, I share the concerns of millions of Americans about voting irregularities," Mr Pence said.

Mr Pence is at the centre of a last-ditch push by Republicans to have the Electoral College votes rejected on 6 January, when Congress meets for the vice president to officially count the ballots.

A federal judge dismissed a lawsuit by GOP lawmakers last Friday that sought to give the vice president power to reject electoral college votes cast for Joe Biden.

While that bid failed, Mr Pence has welcomed a plan by Congressional Republicans to object to electors from states they consider disputed.

Speaking in Georgia on Monday, Mr Pence continued to cast doubt over the integrity of the election in Georgia and disputed swing states.

The crowd can be heard alternately cheering and heckling as Mr Pence said they were “watching this time”, in reference to the Trump campaign’s continuing allegations of voting irregularities in the state.

“I know we all got out doubts about the last election, and I want to assure you, I share the concerns of millions of Americans about voting irregularities, and I promise, come this Wednesday, we'll have our day in Congress," Pence said.

"We'll hear the objections We'll hear the evidence. But tomorrow is Georgia's day. So for our faith, for our freedom, we need you to vote, Georgia!"

"If you don't vote, there could be nothing stopping Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi from cutting our military, raising taxes and passing the agenda of the radical left," he added.
 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-says-hell-fight-hell-053125839.html

With mounting desperation, Donald Trump declared he would “fight like hell” to hold on to the presidency and appealed to Republican lawmakers to reverse his election loss to Joe Biden when they convene this week to confirm the Electoral College vote.

Electoral voters won by President-elect Biden are "not gonna take this White House!” he shouted as supporters cheered at an outdoor rally Monday night in Georgia. Trump's announced purpose for the trip was to boost Republican Senate candidates in Tuesday's runoff election, but he spent much of his speech complaining bitterly about his election loss — which he insists he won “by a lot.”

Earlier, in Washington, he pressed Republican lawmakers to formally object Wednesday at a joint session of Congress that is to confirm Biden's victory in the Electoral College, itself a confirmation of Biden's nationwide victory Nov. 3.

Though he got nothing but cheers Monday night, Trump's attempt to overturn the presidential election i s splitting the Republican Party. Some GOP lawmakers backing him are rushing ahead, despite an outpouring of condemnation from current and former party officials warning the effort is undermining Americans’ faith in democracy. All 10 living former defense secretaries wrote in an op-ed that "the time for questioning the results has passed."

It’s unclear the extent to which GOP leaders in Congress will be able to control Wednesday’s joint session, which could drag into the night, though the challenges to the election are all but certain to fail. Trump himself is whipping up crowds for a Wednesday rally near the White House.

Vice President Mike Pence, who is under pressure to tip the results for Trump, will be closely watched as he presides in a ceremonial role over Wednesday’s joint session.


“I promise you this: On Wednesday, we’ll have our day in Congress,” Pence said while himself campaigning in Georgia ahead of Tuesday’s runoff elections that will determine control of the Senate.

Trump said in Georgia: “I hope that our great vice president comes through for us. He’s a great guy. Of course, if he doesn’t come through, I won’t like him quite as much.” He added, “No, Mike is a great guy.”

One of the Georgia Republicans in Tuesday's runoff — Sen. Kelly Loeffler, who faces Democrat Raphael Warnock — told the crowd she will join senators formally objecting to Biden’s win. The other Republican seeking reelection, David Perdue, who is running against Democrat Jon Ossoff, will not be eligible to vote.

Trump repeated numerous times his claims of election fraud, which have been rejected by election officials — Republican as well as Democratic in state after state — and courts up to the U.S. Supreme Court. His former attorney general, William Barr, also has said there is no evidence of fraud that could change the election outcome.

The congressional effort to keep Trump in office is being led by Sens. Josh Hawley of Missouri and Ted Cruz of Texas, along with rank-and-file House members, some on the party's fringe.

“Just got off the phone with @realDonaldTrump,” tweeted newly elected Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia, who is aligned with a conspiracy group backing Trump.

He wants you to call your Rep & Senators TODAY, ALL DAY!" she tweeted Monday. "Don’t let Republicans be the Surrender Caucus!” She later joined the president on Air Force One as he traveled to Georgia.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has tried to prevent his party from engaging in this battle, which could help define the GOP in the post-Trump era. House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, a Trump ally, has declined to say much publicly on it.

Both Hawley and Cruz are potential 2024 presidential contenders, vying for Trump's base of supporters.

Biden, speaking at a drive-in rally in Atlanta, said Trump “spends more time whining and complaining” than he does working on solving the coronavirus pandemic. He added dismissively, “I don’t know why he still wants the job — he doesn’t want to do the work.”

During the day Monday, more current and former GOP officials rebuked the effort to upend the election.

Former three-term Sen. John Danforth of Missouri said in a stinging statement, “Lending credence to Trump’s false claim that the election was stolen is a highly destructive attack." He said, "It is the opposite of conservative; it is radical."

Two current Republican senators, Rob Portman of Ohio and Mike Lee of Utah, joined the growing number who now oppose the legislators' challenge.

Portman said in a statement, “I cannot support allowing Congress to thwart the will of the voters.”

At the Dalton rally, Trump noted he was a “little angry” at Lee, but expressed hope that the senator would change his mind. “We need his vote,” Trump said.

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the giant lobbying organization and virtual embodiment of the business establishment, said the electoral vote challenge “undermines our democracy and the rule of law and will only result in further division across our nation.”

So far, Trump has enlisted support from a dozen Republican senators and up to 100 House Republicans to challenge Biden’s 306-232 Electoral College win.

With Biden set to be inaugurated Jan. 20, Trump is intensifying efforts to prevent the traditional transfer of power. On a call disclosed Sunday, he can be heard pressuring Georgia officials to “find” him more votes from the Nov. 3 election he lost in that state.

The challenge to the presidential election is on a scale unseen since the aftermath of the Civil War, though the typically routine process of confirming Electoral College votes has been hit with brief objections before. In 2017, several House Democrats challenged Trump’s win, but Biden, who presided at the time as the vice president, swiftly dismissed them to assert Trump’s victory.

States run their own elections, and Congress has been loath to interfere.

“The 2020 election is over,” said a statement Sunday from a bipartisan group of 10 senators, including Republicans Susan Collins of Maine, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Bill Cassidy of Louisiana and Mitt Romney of Utah.

A range of Republican officials — including Gov. Larry Hogan of Maryland; Rep. Liz Cheney of Wyoming, the third-ranking House GOP leader; and former House Speaker Paul Ryan — have criticized the GOP efforts to overturn the election.

Hawley defended his actions in a lengthy email over the weekend to colleagues, saying his Missouri constituents have been “loud and clear” in insisting Biden's defeat of Trump was unfair.

Cruz's coalition of 11 Republican senators vows to reject the Electoral College tallies unless Congress launches a commission to immediately conduct an audit of the election results. Congress is unlikely to agree to that.

The group, which presented no new evidence of election problems, includes Sens. Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, James Lankford of Oklahoma, Steve Daines of Montana, John Kennedy of Louisiana, Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee, Mike Braun of Indiana, Cynthia Lummis of Wyoming, Roger Marshall of Kansas, Bill Hagerty of Tennessee and Tommy Tuberville of Alabama.
 
So I guess Pelosi has the power to ignore the objections? I’m willing to bet she won’t have much time or patience for the republicans objecting


“Gaetz argued that the GOP objection will "meet constitutional muster."

"One question remaining is whether or not Nancy Pelosi will allow the two hours of constitutionally authorized debate on these questions, but, when you got tens of thousands of people potentially marching in the streets in Washington, D.C. tomorrow, I think it will be a very bad look for the people’s House not to entertain debate if we have a constitutionally acceptable objection signed by a House member and a Senator and we will clear that hurdle."”
 
"One question remaining is whether or not Nancy Pelosi will allow the two hours of constitutionally authorized debate on these questions"

"Constitutionally authorized debate." What a garbage attempt at rhetoric. Trying to imply that the Constitution requires it, but really just saying the Constitution doesn't forbid it. The Constitution doesn't forbid a lot of things--Mitch McConnell having his house vandalized was "constitutionally authorized" (but not authorized by state or local laws).
 

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