Politics January 6th

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Some folks are smart enough (or at least think they are) to separate the wheat from the chaff. I like to look at myself that way.......but then, maybe I’m self manipulating.

We all like to believe we have that ability. But if we are supporting either of our current Democrats and Republicans, we haven't even separated the Kool-aid from the sugar. When we truly see, from the proper perspective, we won't support either party.

I liken it to hearing about Black Lives Matter, and actually understanding what the movement is actually all about. I didn't quite get it until I watched a video earlier this year. (It turns out, I am a visual learner)

Tell me people: Are you woke, or still on the road to figuring it out? How did we all miss the fact that people of color have been being purposefully held down by our very own government, all of our lives? If we could miss something as huge as this, we must all be dumb Americans. :baby:
 
I would absolutely love to hear each and every one of these morons try and articulate why they feel they have the right and privilege to engage in this kind of asshat fashion. I read a small (as it should be) write up on the clown who made himself at home in Pelosi’s office. He sounds like a community minded individual who I assume has a job. He considers himself a “patriot”. How has America (or the left wing socialist conspiracy) let him down in particular? What is his specific complaint?? Or the specific complaints of the rest of these “patriots”. All we hear from them (and their supreme leader) is generalities with little if anything to justify them. No one ever said life was fair and they need to get over it like the other half of the country has had to do. Someone needs to tell them that the white mail patriarchy has had it’s life support pulled and they should prepare for the funeral. They are nothing more than the Joe Bubba Antifa, no matter how they might look at themselves (if they even make the effort).
The election is rigged. Someone has to stand up for democracy.

It's obvious wrong, but that's the rhetoric they've been fed via fox news.
 
Here is a glimpse into a comment jack that infiltrated a feed of mine:

""the overwhelming majority of people involved in the protest yesterday were peacefully standing around outside carrying flags. Even most of the people who went into the Capitol stayed inside of the velvet ropes and interacted peacefully with the weirdly-limited security forces that watched them. A small minority clearly went above and beyond reasonable or meaningful action, and one of them was shot dead at a time when she clearly posed no threat to anyone.
The reason the response to this was different than most people expected to see is that these people were being used to provoke the kind of outrage and overreactions that we're seeing today - accusations of sedition, calls for violent retribution, and widespread censorship of anyone considered to be complicit - and that impact could have been dampened if there were more one-sided casualties... they also wouldn't have had so many great pictures to circulate of guys in suits ducking for cover, and cosplayers running amok through the halls of power.""
 

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Matt Gaetz’s antifa-detecting facial recognition story is complete nonsense
The company says the photo showed neo-Nazis and a QAnon figure

Yesterday, a mob of Trump supporters overran the US Capitol, causing widespread chaos in an attempt to nullify the results of the 2020 presidential election. In the wake of the attacks, several Republican politicians have claimed the attackers were anti-fascist activists, in spite of the widespread Trump paraphernalia and triumphant social media posts by Trump supporters. But there’s no evidence antifa played a notable role in the riot, and one of the most widely cited examples has already fallen apart.

In a widely heard House speech on Wednesday, Rep. Matt Gaetz (one of 147 Republican Congress members who voted to overturn the 2020 presidential election results) claimed that the mob had been infiltrated by antifa. But Gaetz cited confusing, unverifiable facial recognition evidence from a company that now calls the original article defamatory — and says it identified neo-Nazis, not antifa supporters.

In a speech during the process of certifying President-elect Joe Biden, Gaetz claimed there was “some pretty compelling evidence from a facial recognition company” that some Capitol rioters were actually “members of the violent terrorist group antifa.” (Antifa is not a single defined group, does not have an official membership, and has not been designated a terrorist organization, although President Donald Trump has described it as one.)


a blog post by CTO Yaacov Apelbaum, denying its claims and calling the story “outright false, misleading, and defamatory.” (Speech delivered during congressional debate, such as Gaetz’s, is protected from defamation claims.) The Times article was apparently deleted a few hours after Apelbaum’s post.

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XRVision image purportedly analyzing photograph from the riots on Capitol Hill.
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“XRVision didn’t generate any composites or detections for the Washington Times or for any ‘retired military officer,’ nor did it authorize them to make any such claims or representations,” Apelbaum wrote. According to his post, XRVision did analyze video footage of the riots, and the company identified “several individuals” in a composite it shared with a “handful” of outsiders. However, they were not linked with antifa.

We concluded that two of the individuals (Jason Tankersley and Matthew Heimbach) were affiliated with the Maryland Skinheads and the National Socialist Movements. These two are known Nazi organizations; they are not Antifa. The third individual identified (Jake Angeli) is an actor with some QAnon promotion history. Again, no Antifa identification was made for him either.

Angeli, who frequently appears at protests in a horned helmet and face paint, is known as the “Q Shaman” and is affiliated with the conspiracy movement QAnon. Angeli previously participated in a documentary called “The Patriots,” in which he espoused an extreme pro-Trump ideology rather than anything aligned with antifa.

https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/7/2...ognition-washington-times-story-false?ududjdj
 
Trump just put out a decent video but it was way toooooo late, and of course with some lies.
He does everything for one person, himself, and this was no different. He was obviously forced into making this video due to calls of the 25th amendment, impeachment, mass resignations, condemnations from essentially everyone and the possibility of getting charged with federal crimes. And for it to come 30 hours after the fact and after comments that supported the rioters actions? God he's pathetic.

And even then he lies about calling in the national guard right away, took zero responsibility and says it's just the beginning.
 
My guess is if the camera had panned out, we would have seen Pat Cippolone holding a gun on him while he made the hostage video.

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The constitution

Article 1, Section 3, Clause 7

"Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States."

If he is impeached by both the senate and house and removed from office he can no longer run for president

Ah, impeached and removed. Yes, of course. No one said removed. Impeachment is not removal, as you know.
 
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Two immediate thoughts;

1. Other than references to current events, that would have made a decent inaugural address 4 years ago.......of course, Pence could have had his arm up Donnie’s ass, manipulating his lips........

2. Sounds to me like he was telling the faithful “stand back and stand by” at the end. I imagine he plans to wreak holy hell for the next four years, with his posse riding shot gun.
 
Everyone calling for using the 25th amendment was citing his denial of losing the election as proof of his mental issues....of course this video is just a survival move to prevent him the shame of being fired days before it's over. The rats have left the sinking ship and he's got one life raft left to use...
 
Making judgments? If you post something, it's perfectly legitimate to respond to it based on what it actually says. If you post lots of things, let's say over a summer, it's perfectly legitimate to form judgments about what you believe. Lots of people challenged your views, which you responded to. If you couldn't make your actual beliefs known in the millions of posts you generate, that's on no one other than you.

We know you (those of us who aren't real life friends) through what you post. Maybe think through your posts better rather than complaining that people didn't take the time to spend time learning everything about you. There are a lot of people here--nobody's going to learn everything about everyone else. I haven't judged you as a good person or bad person, a good musician or bad musician or anything else. I've judged your positions based on what you've written. Write what you believe and, if challenged, explain more about what you believe. Yeah, your positions are going to be judged by what you write. Welcome to internet forums--that's how they work. Your real life friends and family are for being understood down to your soul.

i also like how out of all i said, This is all you can address. This is why i cant take you seriously. Instead of acknowledging some of what i said, you only go for one sentence....

typical sidestep diversion tactics to avoid agreement of the bulk of what i said.

Ill also address that some of us made a choice to get to know each other better instead of use the cover of the internet as an excuse to constantly judge the other poster.
And some of it wasn't even done in real life. Just pms phone calls and texts.

you should try it sometime instead of using the forum as some fantasia excuse.
You might find there is alot more to some people than they are willing to show just anyone here... this isnt the 90’s. Some People actually go being internet anonymity these days.

not everyone is here to try to forget real life and use this as some alternate ego type thing.
though its obvious some are with all the old faces with new names around here..
And thats fine. But dont knock those who understand there aRe more to posters than what we read on here, so some of us know not to judge purely by what is posted.

ive posted some outrageous shit in here. Completely for a laugh and had it taken the complete wrong way with people thinking im red furious or a complete asshole. I do it because i find it funny how some people can just think they know everything about the other guy in here.

The arrogance of some in this place is surreal.


The difference between myself and many others here is im willing to debate, argue and agree to disagree without having to get all aggressive and insulting. But im quick to give it back if its given to me.
most here aRe incapable of that, but then when you share the same candor back with them, they get bent. So many here dish it out but cNt take it when its returned and it cracks me up.

so you can keep thinking you know me and can judge me based on my posts here and ill continue to consider you ignorant and unknowing of who i truly am... and just continue laughing. :)

:cheers:
 
LAPD standing behind just watching. Amerikkka is the most fucked up country in the world

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Yesterday the occupant of the white house invited a seditious mob to invade the Capital, with incompetence if not collision of law enforcement. And I see page after page of people outraged because someone in a sports chat room said mean things.

maybe because some of us understand how futile and a waste of energy it is to get all bent over something we cant control nor communicate with those who can. But posters in here can be directly influenced( as long as they are openminded, which most posters here are not), maybe a redirection of emotions may be a better use of energy....
 
LAPD standing behind just watching. Amerikkka is the most fucked up country in the world

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no see this is where i would condone and become violent.
This is disgusting. If i was there i would put my life at risk for her, punching beating, doing anything i could to help her.
And id do it for any of you of in the same situation.
See i DO understand its sutuational. However i also believe there are no words that justify a violent response. It will only help to cement the hatred of the person with hateful words but will almost always spark more violence and retaliation.
No words should spark violent action.
Diplomacy.
Only acts of violence and still situational, do i condone a violent response.

i hope those who did this to her are caught and punished aNd my from of punishment would be much worse than the legal punishment.
 
Among the slogans on T shirts worn by the very fine people at yesterday's sedition were Camp Auschwitz and Six Million was not enough.

A person on this board actually told me I should support Trump because I am Jewish.
 
Among the slogans on T shirts worn by the very fine people at yesterday's sedition were Camp Auschwitz and Six Million was not enough.

A person on this board actually told me I should support Trump because I am Jewish.

@magnifier661 approves of their shirts — gives him something to work with for his meme empire :biglaugh:
 
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I expected him to hold up a newspaper at the end for proof of life

CGI?

How did they get him to condemn his own supporters?

They must feel very confused after hearing that.

And he conceded?

Ok, how much do his abductors want?

What is going on here?
 
I expected him to hold up a newspaper at the end for proof of life

CGI?

How did they get him to condemn his own supporters?

They must feel very confused after hearing that.

And he conceded?

Ok, how much do his abductors want?

What is going on here?

...funny you say CGI because it definitely has a weird edited vibe to it, almost like that deepfake of the Queen :dunno:
 
...funny you say CGI because it definitely has a weird edited vibe to it, almost like that deepfake of the Queen :dunno:

Yeah, it drew my attention. Very strange grainy static like feel to it. His body movements and the changing angle of the camera. Don't want to start another conspiracy though. I am sure they already saying the same thing though on parler and other right wing sites.
 
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