Javale McGee

[The Dude]

Technically, if Denver loses tonight, he can be on our team tomorrow, right?

 

[Pinwheel1]

Yes my understanding is trades can happen as soon as both teams are done. But since it one would probably include our pick I would doubt anything happens until the lottery. Just in case we win......

 

[magnifier661]

Yes my understanding is trades can happen as soon as both teams are done. But since it one would probably include our pick I would doubt anything happens until the lottery. Just in case we win......

Our cap space doesn't kick in until July 1st anyway.

 

[Natebishop3]

JaVale McNo.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

He'll want to come home to Flint to party first.

 

[Blazinaway]

Frankly the more I see of Denver's C's the less impressed I am, Koufus is having a bad series and Mcgee I just don't know about for 10-11 mil per. Meh meh meh

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

McGee is a bonehead. We would be a much better team spending the $$$ on Iggy and Jermaine Oneal while keeping our pick and taking a guy like Alex len or trading down a few spots for dieng.

 

[blazedanugz]

He looks terrible so far tonight

 

[illmatic99]

Remember this?

[video]www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8naCyrcXZ4[/video]

 

[Pinwheel1]

7:20 in the 3rd is a perfect example of what we would get from McGee. Spectacular block on Bogut, but the Warriors get the ball back and the pass goes right back into a wide open Bogut for a dunk. McGee totally lost his man. Karl then pulls him.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

I am beginning to think we might be better off just getting a journeyman Center that can start for 1-2 years until a Leonard or Len is ready.

These Centers that are going to be available are just not worth the price.

 

[KingSpeed]

McGee with a dunk to cut it to 11

 

[KingSpeed]

McGee cuts it to 7

 

[Pinwheel1]

Wow Miller with the shaky snake move to draw the foul. And they bought it

 

[KingSpeed]

Bad call against mcGee. That could be the series.

 

[The Dude]

The Dude doesn't put a lot of stock into +/-, nor do I care either way if we get McGee, but he was a +8 last night. Had 9/10/1 in 26 minutes.

The guy is young and is a lot better long term fit than any Blazer center for as long as I can remember.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

The Dude doesn't put a lot of stock into +/-

If you did, you'd check his +/- over the season.

I'm hoping Olshey is smart enough to realize that McGee (and his double, DeAndre Jordan) are fool's gold.

 

[magnifier661]

If you did, you'd check his +/- over the season.

I'm hoping Olshey is smart enough to realize that McGee (and his double, DeAndre Jordan) are fool's gold.

With the right team, McGee would succeed. Denver doesn't play to his strengths. They are a run and gun team. If you have a half court heavy team, I suspect him being so much better.

 

[Pinwheel1]

With the right team, McGee would succeed. Denver doesn't play to his strengths. They are a run and gun team. If you have a half court heavy team, I suspect him being so much better.

Why do you think he would be better on a half court team? He has little/no offense in a half court set. He seems to run pretty well. I thought he was better on a team like Denver. Although I admit GS is not a good match up for him as Karl elected (Until last night) not to play his centers much.

My problem with him is he does not seem very smart on D. He is still young, but is he willing to learn? He has the physical tools.

Or does he think because of his contract he has already arrived? I have no doubt he will be on the trading block. I agree that with the right team/coach he could succeed. Not sure though if that team is Portland.

 

[magnifier661]

Why do you think he would be better on a half court team? He has little/no offense in a half court set. He seems to run pretty well. I thought he was better on a team like Denver. Although I admit GS is not a good match up for him as Karl elected (Until last night) not to play his centers much.

My problem with him is he does not seem very smart on D. He is still young, but is he willing to learn? He has the physical tools.

Or does he think because of his contract he has already arrived? I have no doubt he will be on the trading block. I agree that with the right team/coach he could succeed. Not sure though if that team is Portland.

Because he still sets good picks and is a good offensive rebounder. At least in terms of talent. Also, he's for the ability to post up. He needs a mentor to develop that part of his game. Aldridge can help and possibly bringing in Hakeem will help too.

 

[illmatic99]

I want us to take a chance on him, especially if we don't give up much to get him. But Aldridge isn't really a mentor. He seems more of a follower than a leader

 

[Pinwheel1]

Because he still sets good picks and is a good offensive rebounder. At least in terms of talent. Also, he's for the ability to post up. He needs a mentor to develop that part of his game. Aldridge can help and possibly bringing in Hakeem will help too.

Actually he really never needs to post up IMO. All we need from our center (On the offense end) is to be able to set screens, handle a pass when wide open, be able to dribble a few times and then dunk it. Plus have the ability to shoot free throws so he can actually play late in games. No post up game is required. Just enough offense so the other team has to guard him.

So for McGee the free throw issue is a problem IMO, however it seems like most defensive centers suck at the line.

 

[The Dude]

Actually he really never needs to post up IMO. All we need from our center (On the offense end) is to be able to set screens, handle a pass when wide open, be able to dribble a few times and then dunk it. Plus have the ability to shoot free throws so he can actually play late in games. No post up game is required. Just enough offense so the other team has to guard him.

So for McGee the free throw issue is a problem IMO, however it seems like most defensive centers suck at the line.

It looks like successful teams are able to pound the ball inside in the playoffs. The game slows down a lot, and unless you are a team like Golden State who hits an odd amount of 3's, then you have to have an inside game. Draw fouls and punish the defense for not double teaming. It would be nice to be able to throw the ball inside and watch a center destroy the other team, or be able to pass out to a wide open Damian, Wes or Nic. Marc Gasol seems to be a good defensive center who doesn't block a ton of shots. Maybe that stat isn't all that important?

 

[Pinwheel1]

It looks like successful teams are able to pound the ball inside in the playoffs. The game slows down a lot, and unless you are a team like Golden State who hits an odd amount of 3's, then you have to have an inside game. Draw fouls and punish the defense for not double teaming. It would be nice to be able to throw the ball inside and watch a center destroy the other team, or be able to pass out to a wide open Damian, Wes or Nic. Marc Gasol seems to be a good defensive center who doesn't block a ton of shots. Maybe that stat isn't all that important?

True but how many center can do that better than LMA? Let alone centers who are available. Do we need both our bigs doing it?

Now I know some will say LMA doesn't do it enough and that may be true. But the game is changing and the little guys with handles who can score need the ball in their hands, not big guys who all seem to have poor handles and horrible free throw shooting ability. Yes there are exceptions, but not many.

Sure I would like to have a center who can do it all, but let's be realistic, are we going to find one? I will take one with the skills I mentioned above. i am not greedy. Teaching McGee to post up is a waste of time.

 

[Rhal]

This isn't a conversation to be having about a guy making 11m a year.If he was on a rookie contract or a small to medium contract sure take a shot at him and if he doesn't live up to his hype you let him walk but since he is making so much money just ignore this bonehead and walk away. He is a horrible defender/help defender and his only upsides are Elite athleticism/length, good rebounder, good at blocking shots. He doesn't do anything else well at all and is usually a detriment to his team on the court. If George Karl can't turn him into a good defender/team player I don't think any coach will.
It seems like people are trying to talk themselves into him because he is our only real option at a young C, but its a bad option. We would be better set at bringing in Journeymen centers and spending the rest of the capspace on other targets then going all out for a knucklehead that people will be bitching about for 3 years about how stupid he is.

 

[The Dude]

True but how many center can do that better than LMA? Let alone centers who are available. Do we need both our bigs doing it?

Now I know some will say LMA doesn't do it enough and that may be true. But the game is changing and the little guys with handles who can score need the ball in their hands, not big guys who all seem to have poor handles and horrible free throw shooting ability. Yes there are exceptions, but not many.

Sure I would like to have a center who can do it all, but let's be realistic, are we going to find one? I will take one with the skills I mentioned above. i am not greedy. Teaching McGee to post up is a waste of time.

The Dude is no stat guy, so bear with me.

If you look at centers, or guys who could legitimately play center, who average 4.5 FTA per 36 minutes and played at least 1200 minutes you get

Howard
Amare (including him because he normally plays a lot)
Cousins
B Lopez
Pekovic
Nene
Duncan
Favors
Monroe
Splitter
Blatche
Speights
Mahinmi
McGee
Drummond
Aldridge
Jordan
Valanciunas

Now take those players and keep the ones who shot 70% or better from the FT line, and you that leaves.

Duncan
Aldridge
Amare
Valanciunas
Speights
B Lopez
Pekovic
Cousins
Splitter
Nene

And one last offensive stat I like would be where they are shooting from. Majority of shots within 10 feet.

Duncan
Amare
Valanciunas
Speights
B Lopez
Pekovic
Cousins
Splitter
Nene

I am going to eliminate Duncan because we have literally no shot at him. Some of the other guys are probably out of reach too, but at least there is a chance.

Now to defense. The Dude has no idea what the best measure is for defense, so I will look at PER for and against

Amare - 23.0 for. 13.6 against (it was equally impressive last year)
Valanciunas - 16.2 for. 17.3 against
Speights - 18.4 for. 21.0 against
B Lopez - 25.6 for. 17.3 against
Pekovic - 21.2 for. 15.8 against
Cousins - 20.7 for. 19.4 against
Splitter - 21.6 for. 14.5 against
Nene - 18.6 for. 14.3 against

So as crude as this is. Taking injury, age, availability, etc into account. I think we should go after...

Pekovic


I didn't before starting that ridiculously long post.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Splitter and Nene are options as well. Problem with going after Pek is you can give him max and they still might match. (Doubt they match max but the will match a high contract). The guy isn't a max player.

 

[mook]

Howard
Amare (including him because he normally plays a lot)
Cousins
B Lopez
Pekovic
Nene
Duncan
Favors
Monroe
Splitter
Blatche
Speights
Mahinmi
McGee
Drummond
Aldridge
Jordan
Valanciunas

If having a center who can draw free throws is such an important commodity, how come nearly everybody on your list isn't in the playoffs anymore?

Meanwhile, pretty much every team still alive in the playoffs has a starting big man or two relied on mostly for solid defense and rebounding. We have none.

 

[The Dude]

If having a center who can draw free throws is such an important commodity, how come nearly everybody on your list isn't in the playoffs anymore?

Meanwhile, pretty much every team still alive in the playoffs has a starting big man or two relied on mostly for solid defense and rebounding. We have none.

Is that the case? I hadn't noticed?

Still, is it the fault of the player? I mean is Lillard a bad player because he isn't in the playoffs?

Miami doesn't have that guy
OKC has a player in Perkins that does ok
SA has Duncan and Splitter (on the list)
Brooklyn has Lopez (on the list)
Chicago has Noah, who doesn't shoot a lot of FT's, but a good %. Is he a good defender, or is the system good?
Clippers have that guy in Jordan (missed the list due to poor FT%. met everything else)
Indiana obviously has Hibbert
Atl doesn't have that guy
Memphis doesn't
Houston does and would have been out without the Westbrook injury
Boston doesn't
NY has Chandler and Amare (on the list)
GS doesn't
Lakers do and are out
Denver does and is out
Milwaukee does and is out

The Dude is not sure your statement is correct?

 

[KingSpeed]

Good posts The Dude. But you forget that GS has Bogut.