OT Jeffrey Epstein Found Dead In Jail - Apparent Suicide

[TorturedBlazerFan]

It's not impossible to hang yourself and hanging brings about strangulation. I'm going to conclude that you are wrong.

He said Strangle, not hang.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

LOL at college degree. A degree is merely evidence that the student was obedient and compliant on a daily basis and accepted whatever he/she was told as truth without question. Whatever he/she was NOT told remains unknown to him/her.

The most ignorant people in America all have degrees.

The most intelligent people in America have experience(s).

Nearly the entire American section of the Deep State attended Harvard or Yale, where they were recruited and groomed.

I have mixed feelings about "degrees", is it bad to have one? No. For some jobs, like being a Doctor, I'd usually rather take the person who spent years learning about the human body.

However, when hiring an engineer I'd rather take a guy who has experience actually doing engineering tasks over a well-educated person just about every time. I work with people from MIT, Cornell, UMass, etc, great schools and places of learning no doubt, but the best SW engineer I know literally said screw school at 19 went and did his own thing and just figured it out on his own. He didn't want to spend 1000's on classes that weren't relevant to what he was interested in just to get credits.

The problem is many 19-year-olds think they're smart enough to do it without school, and they aren't. The degree doesn't mean much once you've been in the workforce for a while, but most of the time to get a chance to be in the workforce for the field you want to be in, a degree is pretty much a requirement.

 

[barfo]

I'd put it this way, in general:
The number of 'educated idiots' is large, as is the number of uneducated idiots.
The number of uneducated geniuses is non-zero, but it is definitely smaller than the number of educated geniuses. Not because education makes one a genius, but because geniuses tend to get an education.

barfo

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I'd put it this way, in general:
The number of 'educated idiots' is large, as is the number of uneducated idiots.
The number of uneducated geniuses is non-zero, but it is definitely smaller than the number of educated geniuses. Not because education makes one a genius, but because geniuses tend to get an education.

barfo

Didnt get my degree thought about going back to finish but, it seems so pointless. Of course I haven't take an IQ test since I was 13 and there is so much about things I don't know so there is a high chance that I am not a genius! I do however spend hours, and hours and hours educating myself in my field without formal schooling. Books, the internet, going to conferences, etc, lots of ways to continue educating myself.

Love learning, and experiencing new stuff, education goes way behind 4 years after HS, its a life time journey.

Id mostly agree with your assessment though.

 

[ABM]

I'd put it this way, in general:
The number of 'educated idiots' is large, as is the number of uneducated idiots.
The number of uneducated geniuses is non-zero, but it is definitely smaller than the number of educated geniuses. Not because education makes one a genius, but because geniuses tend to get an education.

barfo

I sure do wish I had completed high school and gone on to get a degree....rather than check out of Lakeridge High in the 10th grade because I was fed up with all the pretentiousness that was so rampant there. Students and teachers, alike. *sigh*

Who knows, maybe I would've voted for Hillary!!

errr, not.......

 

[MARIS61]

August 13, 2019 | Judicial Watch
Murder or Suicide? High Stakes, Huge Challenges in Epstein Investigation

The death of financier and alleged sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein in a high-security federal jail cell in Manhattan has lit up social media with conspiracy theories. Was it murder? Suicide? The wealthy Epstein for decades cultivated the rich and powerful: heads of state, barons of commerce, royalty. He skated on earlier Florida sex charges, a controversy that eventually brought down Labor Secretary Alex Acosta. According to conspiracy theories cresting on the internet, Epstein’s recent federal indictment on sex trafficking charges threatened too many prominent people—so somebody, somehow, bumped him off.

There’s no evidence that Epstein was murdered in his cell at the Metropolitan Correctional Center. Officials at the lockup say he was alone Saturday morning and hanged himself. But it’s fair to say that at present there’s not much evidence, aside from a few official statements, that Epstein committed suicide. Huge challenges and high stakes loom in the Epstein case and the window on some key opportunities is closing fast.

Here are the questions that will decide the fate of the case:

Is the unit where Epstein died a crime scene? Preservation of evidence is critical. Fingerprints, hair samples, body fluids, location of body, method of death. Many investigations have been ruined at the outset from a failure to preserve the scene. Sound an alarm bell if the Epstein death location was not processed as a crime scene.

Are records preserved? A source at the Bureau of Prisons tells us there would be a “huge paper trail” on Epstein—documents, logs, interviews with prison psychologists and others related to an alleged July 23 suicide attempt, recordings of phone calls, text messages. Some of us with long memories remember the suicide of Deputy White House Counsel Vincent Foster. The Foster case dragged on for years and gave birth to numerous conspiracy theories in part because the crime scene was mishandled and documents disappeared from his White House office.

Can the money be followed? Epstein’s finances were carefully concealed, but he was known for spreading money around to ease his problems. Prosecutors alleged he tried to buy off witnesses. And serving time at a Palm Beach county jail in 2008 and 2009 on a Florida prostitution charge—negotiated to keep him out of federal prison—Epstein managed to steer $128,000 to officials running the jail. Investigators should search for similar arrangements in New York.

Are Bureau of Prison insiders corrupt? Most Bureau of Prisons employees are honest, but the organization has been repeatedly buffeted by corruption cases. Investigators will take a close look at everyone connected to Epstein at the facility.

Are the Epstein lawyers complicit? How far can a lawyer go for a client? Did any of Epstein’s lawyers facilitate illegal acts? Getting information from Epstein’s lawyers is central to the case. Epstein met repeatedly with his legal team while in jail. The New York Times reports that two lawyers closely involved in Epstein’s finances have hired lawyers of their own—criminal defense specialists. The Times elsewhere reports that Epstein’s lawyers brought in their own pathologist—famed forensic examiner Michael Baden—to observe the Epstein autopsy. According to the Wall Street Journal, Epstein was taken off suicide watch, after the July 23 incident, “at the request of his attorneys.” Expect a big legal battle if investigators move on Epstein’s lawyers.

Is the Department of Justice incompetent? The Epstein case is a major challenge for Attorney General William Barr. He says both the FBI and the Justice Department inspector general will open investigations into the Epstein death, but that may not be enough. Years of controversy and mismanagement related to the Clinton emails, the Clinton foundation and other matters morphed into turmoil over the 2016 election, FBI leadership, the Russia case and President Trump. The Justice Department is now an institution in crisis.

Judicial Watch has launched its own investigation into the Epstein case. We’ve been hearing from sources connected to the incident and we’ve brought a series of Freedom of Information actions to make sure key documents don’t get buried. But that’s no substitute for a properly functioning Justice Department.

***

Micah Morrison is chief investigative reporter for Judicial Watch. Follow him on Twitter @micah_morrison. Tips: mmorrison@judicialwatch.org

Investigative Bulletin is published by Judicial Watch. Reprints and media inquiries: jfarrell@judicialwatch.org
https://www.judicialwatch.org/inves...kes-huge-challenges-in-epstein-investigation/

 

[BigGameDamian]

Was actually kind of interested in knowing how involved some of his rich friends were. If he’s dead they probably will close the case.

I'm sure there will be some kind of documentary about it.

 

[Lanny]

He said Strangle, not hang.

The difference is a technicality. Hanging constricts the neck which is eerily similar to strangulation.
Don't you have something better to do than nit pick?

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

The difference is a technicality. Hanging constricts the neck which is eerily similar to strangulation.
Don't you have something better to do than nit pick?

I thought his implication was that someone couldn't strangle themselves, like two hands around their neck til they die. Hanging oneself is different, even if both cause asphyxiation, but whatever...

 

[Lanny]

I thought his implication was that someone couldn't strangle themselves, like two hands around their neck til they die. Hanging oneself is different, even if both cause asphyxiation, but whatever...

Yes, whatever.

By the way, being strangled does not always imply death. Also, I suppose a person could put their own two hands around their own neck without causing death.

But here I am doing what I complained about. Bad boy, bad boy.
It's as if my wife were here scolding me. All I can say to her is "Yes, dear". Okay, I didn't mean to imply that you were my 'dear'. I don't swing that way.

 

[ABM]

https://time.com/5650974/william-barr-jeffrey-epstein/

Some are calling for Barr to recuse himself from overseeing the investigation. I don't really know enough about all that to draw a conclusion. Interesting, nonetheless.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Yes, whatever.

By the way, being strangled does not always imply death. Also, I suppose a person could put their own two hands around their own neck without causing death.

But here I am doing what I complained about. Bad boy, bad boy.
It's as if my wife were here scolding me. All I can say to her is "Yes, dear". Okay, I didn't mean to imply that you were my 'dear'. I don't swing that way.

Ok, I wasn't trying to nit pick or argue with you, just saying I thought Maris’ implication was different than what was addressed. Feel like we could go round and round if we want too, but Id rather we didnt, because I wasnt in it to win it to begin with.

Hope you have a good day Lanny.

 

[MARIS61]

Obvious murder, and some desperate attempts to make it look like a "staffing error".

Riddle me this...This is a Federal Prison so why on Earth is a New York City medical examiner doing the autopsy?

Some jail staffers not cooperating with DOJ investigation into Epstein suicide, source says

By Vandana Rambaran, Bill Mears | Fox News

Medical examiner determines Jeffrey Epstein hanged himself

Personnel at the New York City prison where accused sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide last week have not been initially cooperative with investigators from the Department of Justice, a federal source told Fox News Friday.

Attorney General William Barr sent two senior DOJ officials to personally visit the Metropolitan Correctional Center and speak with staff from the Federal Bureau of Prisons (BOP) in order to gather information on Epstein's death after Barr said officials uncovered "serious irregularities" at the jail, a senior DOJ official told Fox News. The officials have been on site since Thursday and the FBI and the Justice Department's inspector general are investigating conditions at the MCC.

BOP officials from various regional offices have also been sent to the Manhattan facility to lend their expertise and insight. In addition, a separate BOP "After Action Team" went to MCC earlier this week in an effort to examine what happened the night Epstein died. The use of the "After Action Team" is part of BOP protocol whenever a "significant event takes place at a prison.

Epstein was found dead in his cell on Aug. 10. Earlier Friday, New York City's medical examiner officially ruled the 66-year-old's death a suicide by hanging.

Fox News has also learned that 20 of 21 prison staff posts were filled between the hours of 4 p.m. and 12 a.m. on Friday, Aug. 9, the day before Epstein was found. Of those prison workers, six of them were working voluntary overtime. Between 12 a.m. and 8 a.m. on Saturday, Aug. 10, 18 of 19 staff posts were filled. Of those 18 staffers, 10 were working overtime and all but one of those were doing so voluntarily.

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Conspiracy theories swirled following Epstein's death, as many wondered how the wealthy financier could have been able to kill himself in a high-security facility just over two weeks after being placed on suicide watch, though officials later confirmed Epstein had been taken off suicide watch shortly before his death.

Correctional officers did not check in with Epstein for "several hours" before his death, despite being required to visit him every 30 minutes, a person familiar with the situation told Fox News earlier this week.

Jail guards on duty the night of Epstein's death are also suspected of falsifying log entries to show they were checking on inmates every half-hour as required, The Associated Press reported, citing several people familiar with the matter.

Two staffers have been placed on administrative leave and the MCC's warden has been reassigned pending an investigation.

Late Friday, Epstein's attorneys issued a statement decrying what they described as "the harsh, even medieval conditions at the MCC."

"It is indisputable that the authorities violated their own protocols," Martin Weinberg, Reid Weingarten and Michael Miller said. "The defense team fully intends to conduct its own independent and complete investigation into the circumstances and cause of Mr. Epstein’s death including if necessary legal action to view the pivotal videos - if they exist as they should - of the area proximate to Mr. Epstein's cell during the time period leading to his death.

"We are not satisfied with the conclusions of the medical examiner," the statement concluded. " We will have a more complete response in the coming days.

Fox News' Samuel Chamberlain, Jake Gibson and Nicole Darrah contributed to this report.

 

[Lanny]

Obvious murder, and some desperate attempts to make it look like a "staffing error".

Riddle me this...This is a Federal Prison so why on Earth is a New York City medical examiner doing the autopsy?

Some jail staffers not cooperating with DOJ investigation into Epstein suicide, source says

By Vandana Rambaran, Bill Mears | Fox News

Medical examiner determines Jeffrey Epstein hanged himself

Personnel at the New York City prison where accused sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide last week have not been initially cooperative with investigators from the Department of Justice, a federal source told Fox News Friday.

Attorney General William Barr sent two senior DOJ officials to personally visit the Metropolitan Correctional Center and speak with staff from the Federal Bureau of Prisons (BOP) in order to gather information on Epstein's death after Barr said officials uncovered "serious irregularities" at the jail, a senior DOJ official told Fox News. The officials have been on site since Thursday and the FBI and the Justice Department's inspector general are investigating conditions at the MCC.

BOP officials from various regional offices have also been sent to the Manhattan facility to lend their expertise and insight. In addition, a separate BOP "After Action Team" went to MCC earlier this week in an effort to examine what happened the night Epstein died. The use of the "After Action Team" is part of BOP protocol whenever a "significant event takes place at a prison.

Epstein was found dead in his cell on Aug. 10. Earlier Friday, New York City's medical examiner officially ruled the 66-year-old's death a suicide by hanging.

Fox News has also learned that 20 of 21 prison staff posts were filled between the hours of 4 p.m. and 12 a.m. on Friday, Aug. 9, the day before Epstein was found. Of those prison workers, six of them were working voluntary overtime. Between 12 a.m. and 8 a.m. on Saturday, Aug. 10, 18 of 19 staff posts were filled. Of those 18 staffers, 10 were working overtime and all but one of those were doing so voluntarily.

Video
Conspiracy theories swirled following Epstein's death, as many wondered how the wealthy financier could have been able to kill himself in a high-security facility just over two weeks after being placed on suicide watch, though officials later confirmed Epstein had been taken off suicide watch shortly before his death.

Correctional officers did not check in with Epstein for "several hours" before his death, despite being required to visit him every 30 minutes, a person familiar with the situation told Fox News earlier this week.

Jail guards on duty the night of Epstein's death are also suspected of falsifying log entries to show they were checking on inmates every half-hour as required, The Associated Press reported, citing several people familiar with the matter.

Two staffers have been placed on administrative leave and the MCC's warden has been reassigned pending an investigation.

Late Friday, Epstein's attorneys issued a statement decrying what they described as "the harsh, even medieval conditions at the MCC."

"It is indisputable that the authorities violated their own protocols," Martin Weinberg, Reid Weingarten and Michael Miller said. "The defense team fully intends to conduct its own independent and complete investigation into the circumstances and cause of Mr. Epstein’s death including if necessary legal action to view the pivotal videos - if they exist as they should - of the area proximate to Mr. Epstein's cell during the time period leading to his death.

"We are not satisfied with the conclusions of the medical examiner," the statement concluded. " We will have a more complete response in the coming days.

Fox News' Samuel Chamberlain, Jake Gibson and Nicole Darrah contributed to this report.

Coroner's report is suicide.

 

[ABM]

Sorry, I laughed just a little......

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/epstein-portrait-bill-clinton-blue-dress-872203/

Jeffrey Epstein Owned a Portrait of Bill Clinton in a Blue Dress

 

[Hoopguru]

Sorry, I laughed just a little......

Jeffrey Epstein Owned a Portrait of Bill Clinton in a Blue Dress

notice the color of the dress and the pecker tracks! look close

 

[ABM]

Wild... (Epstein's main residence on his island)

 

[ABM]

Epstein's nefarious activities (as a whole) may end up becoming scandalous for the ages.

This is simply a facet.....

https://sputniknews.com/world/20190...-woman-at-epsteins-new-york-mansion-released/

 

[MARIS61]

 

[Lanny]

Don't tell me, Fox News?

 

[MARIS61]

 

[jonnyboy]

I wouldn’t go as far as pinning all the bad behavior on leftists alone. But yeah, mission accomplished. Epstein and all his dirt got swept under the rug when he died in jail.
A guy who had dirt on the world’s elite dies under mysterious circumstances and within days the investigation is wrapped up and the news quits talking about it. My guess is none of the people involved will be punished for their crimes.

 

[ABM]

I wouldn’t go as far as pinning all the bad behavior on leftists alone. But yeah, mission accomplished. Epstein and all his dirt got swept under the rug when he died in jail.
A guy who had dirt on the world’s elite dies under mysterious circumstances and within days the investigation is wrapped up and the news quits talking about it. My guess is none of the people involved will be punished for their crimes.

Drones are wild beasts.....

https://www.businessinsider.com/drone-footage-fbi-agents-raid-jeffrey-epsteins-private-island-2019-8

 

[theprunetang]

I wouldn’t go as far as pinning all the bad behavior on leftists alone. But yeah, mission accomplished. Epstein and all his dirt got swept under the rug when he died in jail.
A guy who had dirt on the world’s elite dies under mysterious circumstances and within days the investigation is wrapped up and the news quits talking about it. My guess is none of the people involved will be punished for their crimes.

You are correct on this one. His dirt knew no political boundaries. And it all disappeared.

 

[Lanny]

Don't forget the dirt he had on our current President. What's his name? Trump?

 

[calvin natt]

Yeah, its totally just about the Democrats

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

For what its worth I think this is a conspiracy theory that has a heck of a lot going for it. Though as mentioned I think there were no political boundaries. Its crazy how fast the whole thing just disappeared too.

 

[Lanny]

For what its worth I think this is a conspiracy theory that has a heck of a lot going for it. Though as mentioned I think there were no political boundaries. Its crazy how fast the whole thing just disappeared too.

I'd rethink that if I were you. Convicts are always in danger in prison when they have committed sex crimes against children. He was right to be worried and he should have been wary of his fellow convicts.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I'd rethink that if I were you. Convicts are always in danger in prison when they have committed sex crimes against children. He was right to be worried and he should have been wary of his fellow convicts.

Theres a lot of things that had to go right though, and you cannot deny a lot of very wealthy people it seems wanted him to not talk. Its a conspiracy theory for a reason, but I absolutely get why people look at this and go yeah thats fishy...

 

[Lanny]

Theres a lot of things that had to go right though, and you cannot deny a lot of very wealthy people it seems wanted him to not talk. Its a conspiracy theory for a reason, but I absolutely get why people look at this and go yeah thats fishy...

Sure, that's a possibility but the chances of convicts wanting to punish him for his crimes against innocent little girls runs very very strong in prison and that's where I'd bet my money. Happens very often.