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Columbia has amassed an army to counter the US invasion on the border of Venezuela....they say that South American revolutionaries all throughout the western hemisphere and ready to counter US military aggression....fighting multiple Latin American countries would be like fighting several Viet Nam wars at the same time. These are some of the most experienced revolutionaries in the world. Trump just opened a can of worms he won't be able to close...if he thought ICE and the border were making us safe, he just made us the target of freedom fighters all throughout the western hemisphere.
 
He isn't the first US president to think he can conquer Cuba. Ever heard of Playa Giron (Bay of Pigs)?
 
During the invasion US bombed tomb of Hugo Chavez. Hardly a military target. Just Dementia Don giving Venezuela middle finger salute
 
2Fluffy4U said:
Ideologically speaking, I am not for Imperialism. However, the world is not pink. So I rather have USA as strongest power in the world, over other countries that are seeking power these days.
Living in the US and enoying its privilges is not a bad thing at all, and promoting ties (power) with other regions of the world that can share values and interests that allign is a win-win IMO.

Venezuela under Maduro is not a country leading towards global peace and quiet for all mankind..

Edit - following futher thinking, I amend my inital take - I think Imperalism is Fact. Humanity trait. Historically speaking the minute Humans led socializing lives - Imperialism became a constant fact. So Ideologically speaking - I am not for or against it - it is just intrinsic to being human in societies. (Power=Empire)
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Conversely, taking control of a sovereign nation with powerful friends and yet no plan on how to control them is not stabilizing the world, and a stable world favors those that are the most powerful.

Isolating ourselves and pushing our (former) allies toward the second and third most powerful countries also does not do anything for the stability of the globe or the security of our nation that goes along with that.

Chaos is a ladder. That's why you don't want to be at the top when its all chaos underneath you. The fall tends to be a lot more catastrophic.
 
riverman said:
Columbia has amassed an army to counter the US invasion on the border of Venezuela....they say that South American revolutionaries all throughout the western hemisphere and ready to counter US military aggression....fighting multiple Latin American countries would be like fighting several Viet Nam wars at the same time. These are some of the most experienced revolutionaries in the world. Trump just opened a can of worms he won't be able to close...if he thought ICE and the border were making us safe, he just made us the target of freedom fighters all throughout the western hemisphere.
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Colombia*

They amassed troops at the border in case of a refugee crisis. Petro was democratically elected, but is pretty unpopular. My wife voted for him and regrets it. Unfortunately in Colombia whoever is in office is usually not popular because improving life there is extremely difficult for anyone in office, regardless of ideology.

Obviously he is more popular than maduro but I have a hard time believing their military will put up much of a fight for him.
 
ehizzy3 said:
Colombia*

They amassed troops at the border in case of a refugee crisis. Petro was democratically elected, but is pretty unpopular. My wife voted for him and regrets it. Unfortunately in Colombia whoever is in office is usually not popular because improving life there is extremely difficult for anyone in office, regardless of ideology.

Obviously he is more popular than maduro but I have a hard time believing their military will put up much of a fight for him.
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Havent they had a refugee crisis since Maduro was in power?
 
Chris Craig said:
Hopefully, it works out for Venezuela like it did for Japan. Truman didn't name himself interim leader there like Trump did in Venezuela though.
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Well, that's a bit of rewriting history here, General Douglas MacArthur was the Supreme Commander of the Allied Powers in Japan making him, basically, near-absolute authority over Japan's post-war reconstruction (and let's face it, the US reconstructed Japan including land reform, constitution and demilitarization.

Truman's appointee pretty much was the interim leader of Japan post WW2.

Oops, I see that this was already mentioned earlier. Sorry, I am reading this thread in order.
 
The worst part of this is that it empowers China to invade Taiwan or any other nation to bully a neighbor and steal their stuff. Not a good precedent set by the wanna be king as well as make Russia look like they were justified doing the same thing Trump did. China and Russia are having a field day at the emergency meeting of the UN today.
 
andalusian said:
Well, that's a bit of rewriting history here, General Douglas MacArthur was the Supreme Commander of the Allied Powers in Japan making him, basically, near-absolute authority over Japan's post-war reconstruction (and let's face it, the US reconstructed Japan including land reform, constitution and demilitarization.

Truman's appointee pretty much was the interim leader of Japan post WW2.

Oops, I see that this was already mentioned earlier. Sorry, I am reading this thread in order.
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My mistake
 
Chris Craig said:
My mistake
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Actually our military transition team and war tribunal did not get involved with the civil agencies of Japan. They just insured the military was dismantled and the emperor was reduced to a puppet figure. We advised them in drafting a constitution and transitioning from military industrial complex to just an industrial based economy. Mac would never claim to be leader of Japan.. he was leader of the Allied command and Russia though invited, refused to join the reconstruction team because they didn't want to take orders from us. Japan did have it's own govt during our occupation. Many Japanese businessmen worked with our team to reform the govt and infrastructure. We don't often think of our presence in S. Korea and our military command there to be "running S. Korea" for example.
 
riverman said:
Havent they had a refugee crisis since Maduro was in power?
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Yes you’re right there. But I mean a refugee crisis that completely overwhelmed the border.

I was awake when all of this happened and Colombia announced troops at the border before Trump announced that they kidnapped Maduro. Colombia wasn’t sure what was going on and it looked like a full on invasion until trumps tweet. The border would’ve have been chaos if it was a full on invasion.
 
ehizzy3 said:
Yes you’re right there. But I mean a refugee crisis that completely overwhelmed the border.

I was awake when all of this happened and Colombia announced troops at the border before Trump announced that they kidnapped Maduro. Colombia wasn’t sure what was going on and it looked like a full on invasion until trumps tweet. The border would’ve have been chaos if it was a full on invasion.
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Be safe my friend! Sounds like it’s going to be sketchy there for a while!
 
Theres been a hefty bounty on Maduro from the last administration.
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Reuters contacted executives at four largest US oil companies. They all say Trump did not contact them about the invasion either before or after. They found out when everyone else did. Also they are not anxious to start operations in Venezuela. Trump likes to talk about "taking the oil". Contrary to his later claims he supported Iraq war but said US should have taken the oil. Oil isn't something that can be taken like mugger taking someone's wallet. Oil has to be extracted and refined. That means, now that all easily available oil is already out of the ground, billions of dollars invested that won't see profit for years. It requires reliable power grid to supply electricity, infrastructure like roads and ports, skilled workers and political stability. None of which currently exist in Venezuela.

The rationale changes five times a day. Rachel Maddow proposed most logical. Trump wants the military at his personal whim. He wants to establish he can send troops anywhere from Venezuela to Greenland to Portland without any accountability or any need to provide a justification. And because he sees himself as ruler of Western hemisphere.

The reason is there is no reason.
 
crandc said:
Reuters contacted executives at four largest US oil companies. They all say Trump did not contact them about the invasion either before or after. They found out when everyone else did. Also they are not anxious to start operations in Venezuela. Trump likes to talk about "taking the oil". Contrary to his later claims he supported Iraq war but said US should have taken the oil. Oil isn't something that can be taken like mugger taking someone's wallet. Oil has to be extracted and refined. That means, now that all easily available oil is already out of the ground, billions of dollars invested that won't see profit for years. It requires reliable power grid to supply electricity, infrastructure like roads and ports, skilled workers and political stability. None of which currently exist in Venezuela.

The rationale changes five times a day. Rachel Maddow proposed most logical. Trump wants the military at his personal whim. He wants to establish he can send troops anywhere from Venezuela to Greenland to Portland without any accountability or any need to provide a justification. And because he sees himself as ruler of Western hemisphere.

The reason is there is no reason.
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Maddow left out this also takes up some of the news hole that would have gone to the Trump Administration covering up what's in the Epstein files.
 
PCmor7 said:
Maddow left out this also takes up some of the news hole that would have gone to the Trump Administration covering up what's in the Epstein files.
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Actually she didn't.
She also refrefe
PCmor7 said:
Maddow left out this also takes up some of the news hole that would have gone to the Trump Administration covering up what's in the Epstein files.
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Actually she didn't. She talked specifically about Epstein and deadline for Department of Justice to release all files which they have not done.

She also referenced a story on front page of New York Times Saturday. About a woman no one has heard of who is #3 person in Interior Department. A company owning a lithium mine on land her husband owns offered $3 million for water rights. The offer is dependent on Department of Interior approving the mine. So this official is the one who decides whether to approve a project that will net her husband $3 million.

The story ran and that morning US invaded Venezuela.
 
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