OT Jeffrey Epstein Found Dead In Jail - Apparent Suicide

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jonnyboy said:
What was your point then?
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I thought it was obvious.
The jail is a roach and rat infested joint, truly a disgusting place to have to live in.
Epstein faced life in prison.
Epstein led a life of extreme luxury that he was quite used to.
He faced considerable problems with inmates who wished him considerable harm.
I can see him wanting no part of the life he was facing.
He was considered innocent until judged guilty so his watch would be a bit more lax.
The place was notorious for being poorly run which would mean a lax suicide watch.
He had attempted suicide previously so another attempt would seem a likely event.
That coupled with the coroners report adds up to I'm not surprised that he would kill himself.
 
Lanny said:
I thought it was obvious.
The jail is a roach and rat infested joint, truly a disgusting place to have to live in.
Epstein faced life in prison.
Epstein led a life of extreme luxury that he was quite used to.
He faced considerable problems with inmates who wished him considerable harm.
I can see him wanting no part of the life he was facing.
He was considered innocent until judged guilty so his watch would be a bit more lax.
The place was notorious for being poorly run which would mean a lax suicide watch.
He had attempted suicide previously so another attempt would seem a likely event.
That coupled with the coroners report adds up to I'm not surprised that he would kill himself.
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It’s interesting to me that you are completely ignoring the blatant fact that suicides basically don’t ever occur at that facility. You are actually using an outlier as an example of something being common problem. I can’t argue with that, because it makes no sense.
I’ve said before it this thread that another scenario was that the guards were called off in the hopes he would kill himself on his own. That’s not a commonality at that facility.
 
jonnyboy said:
It’s interesting to me that you are completely ignoring the blatant fact that suicides basically don’t ever occur at that facility. You are actually using an outlier as an example of something being common problem. I can’t argue with that, because it makes no sense.
I’ve said before it this thread that another scenario was that the guards were called off in the hopes he would kill himself on his own. That’s not a commonality at that facility.
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They've probably never had a prisoner like Epstein before.
What you propose is a conspiracy theory. I learned in a Quality Control course at Tektronix that conspiracy theories can never be disproved. But it's grasping at straws when a reasonaing conclusion can not be reached. 99 times out of 100 conspiracies turn out to be false. Look at the Kennedy assassination, people took the easy and attractive way out and said he was killed in a conspiracy. Less deductive reasoning required means a simple solution.
 
This was very interesting. One of the medical examiners who was involved in the autopsy is now coming out claiming Epstein’s injuries were “more consistent with homicide” than suicide. I know, it’s Fox News. But this guy is very experienced and was part of the autopsy. And the interviewers were actually asking the right questions. I bet he’ll be on other networks in the coming days. One part that especially caught my attention were the broken bones in Epstein’s neck. This examiner said he’s never seen all three of these particular bones broken in a suicide, only in homicide cases.
 
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Seems strange the guards were a sleep, and it was three hours he was alone, and just so happens the cameras were out as they had system issues. Now this expert thinks the wounds are consistent with homicide and that a mistake was made in autopsy?
 
Lanny said:
They've probably never had a prisoner like Epstein before.
What you propose is a conspiracy theory. I learned in a Quality Control course at Tektronix that conspiracy theories can never be disproved. But it's grasping at straws when a reasonaing conclusion can not be reached. 99 times out of 100 conspiracies turn out to be false. Look at the Kennedy assassination, people took the easy and attractive way out and said he was killed in a conspiracy. Less deductive reasoning required means a simple solution.
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Trouble shooting always starts with easy likely and it should be the first step in the process but it may lead to more failure analysis to find the problem.
 
Hoopguru said:
Seems strange the guards were a sleep, and it was three hours he was alone, and just so happens the cameras were out as they had system issues. Now this expert thinks the wounds are consistent with homicide and that a mistake was made in autopsy?
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The expert you speak of was Epstein's lawyers' pathologist who sat in on the autopsy.
The bones are also seen in some suicide victims, especially the elderly ones.
The guards at that facility were famous for not doing their job well such as sleeping while on guard. It was never a well run facility.
This conspiracy theory is being heavily promoted by a feeble minded Trump. I'd take that with more than a grain of salt.
Why does there have to be some kind of conspiracy whenever something important happens? People to this day still don't believe anyone landed on the moon. They actually think it was staged.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Jeffrey_Epstein
 
Lanny said:
The expert you speak of was Epstein's lawyers' pathologist who sat in on the autopsy.
The bones are also seen in some suicide victims, especially the elderly ones.
The guards at that facility were famous for not doing their job well such as sleeping while on guard. It was never a well run facility.
This conspiracy theory is being heavily promoted by a feeble minded Trump. I'd take that with more than a grain of salt.
Why does there have to be some kind of conspiracy whenever something important happens? People to this day still don't believe anyone landed on the moon. They actually think it was staged.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Jeffrey_Epstein
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My suspension has Zero to do with Trump Lanny.
Its based on some of the reports Ive read that expose some facts that seem questionable.
If that prison is isn't well run as you say then anything could be possible too.
Neither you or I really know what happened we can only go without what we read about.
 
Hoopguru said:
My suspension has Zero to do with Trump Lanny.
Its based on some of the reports Ive read that expose some facts that seem questionable.
If that prison is isn't well run as you say then anything could be possible too.
Neither you or I really know what happened we can only go without what we read about.
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I’m also not sure what Trump has to do with it. There are a few on here who manage to make any subject about him though.
There hasn’t been a successful suicide at that facility since the late 70’s, nonetheless of perhaps the most high profile prisoner that has ever been held there. And like you said, what are the odd of it being pulled off within a three hour window that Epstein himself didn’t even know existed. Epstein would have had zero knowledge of the guards being asleep or the cameras being turned off.
I understand a lot of conspiracy theories are bunk, but it seems the left has thrown the word around so much lately they are scared shitless of being called it themselves. So whatever the official report states is gospel.
 
jonnyboy said:
I’m also not sure what Trump has to do with it. There are a few on here who manage to make any subject about him though.
There hasn’t been a successful suicide at that facility since the late 70’s, nonetheless of perhaps the most high profile prisoner that has ever been held there. And like you said, what are the odd of it being pulled off within a three hour window that Epstein himself didn’t even know existed. Epstein would have had zero knowledge of the guards being asleep or the cameras being turned off.
I understand a lot of conspiracy theories are bunk, but it seems the left has thrown the word around so much lately they are scared shitless of being called it themselves. So whatever the official report states is gospel.
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As I already explained, Trump is pushing the conspiracy theory. For this reason, Also, I'd take anything he utters with more than a grain of salt.
 
If you know how much a prison guard takes home in a paycheck plus the fact that they are in prison everyday for that check I think it's a no brainer that big money could buy most nightshift guards or pay them to look the other way....if I remember correctly one or two of them were fired......probably to go home with a bag of more money than they could make in a lifetime working as a guard. My uncle had that job.....probably spent every evening after work guzzling irish whiskey...died before his time.
 
Lanny said:
As I already explained, Trump is pushing the conspiracy theory. For this reason, Also, I'd take anything he utters with more than a grain of salt.
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Only one person is small enough to ninja their way into the facility and vicious enough to kill him.

And that person is Hillary Clinton!
 
Lanny said:
As I already explained, Trump is pushing the conspiracy theory. For this reason, Also, I'd take anything he utters with more than a grain of salt.
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Ok. Whatever that means. Not sure how it pertains to anything here. Nobody here is quoting Trump.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
I just finished the last of this podcast last night. Really well done. Just goes over the history. No politics. No slant. Just a sick story told well.

https://wondery.com/shows/the-mysterious-mr-epstein/

Give the 1st episode a listen when you have the chance, it will hook you.
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Thanks for the link....I'm always looking for a good podcast...I've discovered that headphones and my iPhone saved my sanity in recovery being fairly immobile...listened to hundreds of hours of comedy for the last 3 weeks....this will be a good change for me
 
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