Jerami Grant, yay or nay?

[illmatic99]

On the Knicks forum, they're talking about Bledsoe + NOP pick for Randle as an idea they'd serious consider.

How do you guys feel about that?

 

[Fairly-Hard]

On the Knicks forum, they're talking about Bledsoe + NOP pick for Randle as an idea they'd serious consider.

How do you guys feel about that?

I've always liked Randall. Yes he has some flaws in his game but the guy plays to win and is tough as they come.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

On the Knicks forum, they're talking about Bledsoe + NOP pick for Randle as an idea they'd serious consider.

How do you guys feel about that?

That would almost completely redeem the two trade deadline deals.

If at consummation the deals had been CJ/Norm/Nance/RoCo out, Randle/Hart/Winslow/Keon/Didi/20M TPE in, there would have been a ton less complaining.

 

[Shaboid]

For the same package and from a basketball standpoint, I'd rather have Randle.

 

[blazerfan11]

No way. I'd rather have Jerami Grant.
Edit: He reminds me of the Bonzi Wells experience. He can be great but also toxic and a coach killer.
I don't know why the Trail Blazers would want some guy that has some mental problems with his game.

 

[Mr. Robot]

For the same package and from a basketball standpoint, I'd rather have Randle.

theyre similar in scoring, although grant is little more efficient (fg% & 3pt%), while randle is better rebounder and passer

but defense matters a lot, especially when you have dame-ant backcourt, so grant makes more sense than randle and we dont need randles passing with dame, ant & nurk, rebounding would be nice, but it is what it is

 

[illmatic99]

That would almost completely redeem the two trade deadline deals.

If at consummation the deals had been CJ/Norm/Nance/RoCo out, Randle/Hart/Winslow/Keon/Didi/20M TPE in, there would have been a ton less complaining.

i'm just looking at basketball fit. depends on how the lotto turns out, but i think randle can work next to Nurk, as well as a backup 5.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

i'm just looking at basketball fit. depends on how the lotto turns out, but i think randle can work next to Nurk, as well as a backup 5.

No argument here. I'm just saying that in addition to working well on our team, it would also be an excellent return on assets which can be tied directly back to those deals.

 

[RR7]

i'm just looking at basketball fit. depends on how the lotto turns out, but i think randle can work next to Nurk, as well as a backup 5.

I like his passing, but also see him, like you, as a 4/small 5. I like grants ability to better defend at the 3 and 4 for our team over randle.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I like his passing, but also see him, like you, as a 4/small 5. I like grants ability to better defend at the 3 and 4 for our team over randle.

Do we believe that Grant would be acquirable for the package indicated as Randle's acquisition cost? Is Grant's (debatably) better fit worth the expected difference in acquisition cost?

Separately, might it theoretically be possible to get both? If so, would we want to?

 

[illmatic99]

Do we believe that Grant would be acquirable for the package indicated as Randle's acquisition cost? Is Grant's (debatably) better fit worth the expected difference in acquisition cost?

Separately, might it theoretically be possible to get both? If so, would we want to?

I like his passing, but also see him, like you, as a 4/small 5. I like grants ability to better defend at the 3 and 4 for our team over randle.

If this is the breakdown:

Door 1: TPE + NO pick for Grant
Door 2: Bledsoe + NO pick for Randle

I take door 2 and don't look back.

 

[Pinwheel1]

If this is the breakdown:

Door 1: TPE + NO pick for Grant
Door 2: Bledsoe + NO pick for Randle

I take door 2 and don't look back.

Higher risk (because of the length of his contract) but higher reward IMO. We need his scoring from that position.

How does the 15% trade kicker affect us?

 

[Pinwheel1]

theyre similar in scoring, although grant is little more efficient (fg% & 3pt%), while randle is better rebounder and passer

but defense matters a lot, especially when you have dame-ant backcourt, so grant makes more sense than randle and we dont need randles passing with dame, ant & nurk, rebounding would be nice, but it is what it is

I agree that defense matters a lot, but I would not consider them similar in scoring. Their stats might be similar, but there have been games in past years that I watched where Randle was unstoppable. No matter who was covering him. He attacked the basket over and over and either scored or was fouled. Very few power forwards can do that. Certainly not Grant. Having said that, I have not seen one game of his this year. Not sure what happened nor know why NY fans have turned on him. They loved him last year.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

 

[Chris Craig]

On the Knicks forum, they're talking about Bledsoe + NOP pick for Randle as an idea they'd serious consider.

How do you guys feel about that?

Would they take a 2025 Bucks pick?

 

[Scalma]

There is plenty of room on Portland's trade-ravaged roster for Grant to eat alongside Lillard as he pleases.
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Yeah, idk about that one jakey boy. I would run plays for Dame, Ant, Nurk, and probably Hart as well before Jerami. Shit, I'd also put the ball in Winslow and Ingles' hands before his. He is not a focal point. He doesn't score efficiently. He's a good role player who can defend and knock down open shots.

If our only plan with the Pelicans pick was to trade it for Jerami, as Fischer is suggesting, then it was a blessing in disguise. Giving up that pick and paying a glorified role player 100M+, no thanks.

 

[oldmangrouch]

In a word - yuck. If excess salary made CJ untenable, why chase a guy with an excessive salary + a high acquisition cost? Not to mention that he might expect to take over CJ's role in the offense. Does bringing in a decent role-player make this team a contender?

 

[blazerkor]

Would they take a 2025 Bucks pick?

I keep thinking that anyone that is going to give up a productive player will want something that will bring immediate production in return. So when people mention a pick three drafts away, I tend to think that's unlikely to get it done.

If we're hellbent on Grant then I would hope we would just trade back with Charlotte or San Antonio for two first rounders, send the worse of the two to Detroit for Grant and still get a solid prospect.

 

[tykendo]

No way. I'd rather have Jerami Grant.
Edit: He reminds me of the Bonzi Wells experience. He can be great but also toxic and a coach killer.
I don't know why the Trail Blazers would want some guy that has some mental problems with his game.

Or, maybe Thibs is a player killer. Never seen such a wishy washy head coach with his minutes distribution from one night to another. Plus you can tell, he wears on guys.

 

[tykendo]

Detroit needs to unload Grant, Period! I don't over pay for Grant. Nice role player, good teammate. If they want a draft pick, it's gonna be a future one, not this one.

 

[tykendo]

Would they take a 2025 Bucks pick?

I think they would. They want him off the books.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

People forget that before Grant, Dame wanted Ben Simmons.

 

[blazerkor]

If we do land at 6 or I guess even 7 and San Antonio isn't really interested in having three picks in the first round I would definitely do the move that a couple in here have talked about and trade back to 9 and 20... because 20 and full salary relief is much closer to equal value for Grant than even giving up the 15th pick if we traded back to Charlotte at 13 and 15.

 

[Hoopguru]

I keep thinking that anyone that is going to give up a productive player will want something that will bring immediate production in return. So when people mention a pick three drafts away, I tend to think that's unlikely to get it done.

If we're hellbent on Grant then I would hope we would just trade back with Charlotte or San Antonio for two first rounders, send the worse of the two to Detroit for Grant and still get a solid prospect.

It's got to involve players for salaries. Bledso would be a given for them to dump salary. They could ask for one of our youngsters as well.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Even if Grant is dirt cheap, you have to balance the (very) few wins he adds to the fact he will demand extended playing time and be a roadblock to developing younger players that could provide equal or better production on a more team friendly contract.

 

[blazerfan11]

Even if Grant is dirt cheap, you have to balance the (very) few wins he adds to the fact he will demand extended playing time and be a roadblock to developing younger players that could provide equal or better production on a more team friendly contract.

That's a good point. It's not like we have nobody who can play power forward. It's just one of the weaker points. Another is backup center, and having a player who could play both PF and center would be ideal.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Ask yourself this question: could Grant be a starter on a championship team?
I think the answer is "yes, but he'd have to be the worst starter". And would you pay your worst starter 20M a year (or whatever the hell he's getting)?

Meanwhile, New Orleans found a Grant-like player in Herb Jones in the second round, and Minny found Jarred Vanderbilt bouncing around the G-League.

 

[HoopsFanAZ]

1. Keep their own pick.
2. Trade for Grant (unless the fix is in with real players wanting to play for Billups … as rumored). Get this PF in his prime at 28, who is better now than Blazers forwards and has some ceiling left in a good situation. TRADE the Milwaukee pick and … Nassir Little. I like Nas, but he’s not there, yet … has value … should be a lower 2nd contract … good guy.
3. Fill the PF hole — Grant to go with Nurk, Simons, and Dame.
4. Draft best SF or PF. The higher ranked SFs are 6’6 (subject to draft measurements) with some wingspan. Murray as a PF at 6’8 paired with Grant (who can defend both forward spots)? I’m in. Get lucky? Then we’ve got height! What a concept.

 

[blazerkor]

It's got to involve players for salaries. Bledso would be a given for them to dump salary. They could ask for one of our youngsters as well.

So you're not talking about acquiring Grant with the TPE?

 

[HoopsFanAZ]

Bledsoe is a vet insurance player though primarily as EBEC at this point. Whether during free agency or up to the trade deadline, his greatest value is as trade filler. After that it’s reducing team salary.

If what returns fits into the TPE and the RoCo TPE, package more with EBEC to get a (potentially larger, or at least) new TPE. Spend with the new Nurkic and Simons contracts. Use the Tax-MLE and still have the new TPE into the next FA period.