Jeter > Bayless?

[Harry's Raincoat]

Nobody who has a shred on intelligence does....

Depends on the answer to "Better at this aspect of his game" is???

JB is a SG right now. He's still not showing PG skills except for driving to the basket. But, even then, he's not showing that he's much of a consistent finisher. Goes too deep IMO.

Jeter isn't as strong as JB, but shows more natural PG tendencies at truly creating easy opportunities for teammates. JB is still thinking about passing only when he's stuck.

I think we should include JB in trade and get Hinrich or similar to be our starter, move Blake to the bench.

Hinrich-Blake > Blake-Bayless for the next 3 years minimum!!!

 

[LittleAlex]

Jeter + Bayless = one decent second string point guard.

Neither is good right now, so saying which one is better is kind of pointless.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Bayless hasn't played well at all, and Jeter may well be steadier right now. But the upside of Bayless blows Jeter away.

OK, we all agree Jeter is playing better than Bayless and is a better PG than Bayless right now. But what upsaide does Bayless really have?

If Bayless is going to make it in the NBA, he'll have to do it at PG as he's too small to play SG with any hope of routine success. He's now been in the NBA working dilligently as learning PG skills and after 12 hard months his game is embarrassingly bad- against predominatly non NBA scrubs. Let's be honest- he sucks and hasn't learned a darn thing in 12 months. And his "upside blows Jeter away"??? That's whack.

Now, as to Jeter, he's probably not really NBA material. Or if so, marginally.

Makes me wish we'd kept Sergio and traded Bayless.

 

[magnumpi]

Bayless hasn't played well at all, and Jeter may well be steadier right now. But the upside of Bayless blows Jeter away.

I'm disappointed in Bayless, and I'm sure he is too. This was his chance to come out and show everybody that he can play PG and lead a team. He's failed miserably. I know you can't put too much stock in summer league, but he's making some really bonehead plays still. Frankly he just doesn't look anything like an NBA PG. I know the guys out there aren't helping him, but you can't pin it all on that. I see the same old bad habits. Telegraphing passes, out of control drives (especially when he gets mad) to the basket - sometimes he gets fouled and it feels like a bail out, he drops his head when he makes a mistake, and please stop with the jump passes! Don't they teach you not to do that in junior high? Not to mention his jumper - or lack there of. He's proving to be a one trick pony - he's strong and athletic and can get to the basket pretty well at times. Other than that . . . he's got a lot to learn.

I totally agree with you on JBay style and maybe his attitude. I am from the old school, you aren’t a pt guard until you show me you are and you haven’t shown me shit. IMO let Rudy play pt guard and JBay the 2 on the second team. I think Rudy has the ability to be our top pg.

JBay just doesn't seem like he will make it at pt. Regardless of what he says, or what he wants, he is just not a point guard. It is like the old saying, "He might make a point guard" but he will never be one. Heaven forbid. OH never mind there is the WNBA.

magnumpi

 

[VanillaGorilla]

So the thread titled "Jeter>Bayless" and his first post saying "Looks that way to me, sad to say" means that? Maybe I learned reading comprehension differently.. indulge me please.

By him saying looks that way to me, I took that to mean so far in summer league because thats where we have seen both of them play.. And I think SpanishFly saying this:

I am just going by what I have watched in SL, Jeter has been a better and more effective PG. I do not know if that would translate into the regular season, I actually think it would. Bayless has been underwhelming

is pretty self explanatory.

 

[Ed O]

By him saying looks that way to me, I took that to mean so far in summer league because thats where we have seen both of them play.. And I think SpanishFly saying this: is pretty self explanatory.

But what about when he said this?

I am just going by what I have watched in SL, Jeter has been a better and more effective PG. I do not know if that would translate into the regular season, I actually think it would. Bayless has been underwhelming

That makes it looks like he thinks (a) Jeter has looked better in the summer, and (b) he thinks he would be more effective in the regular season, too.

Don't you think that's what that means?

Ed O.

 

[SpanishFly]

But what about when he said this?



That makes it looks like he thinks (a) Jeter has looked better in the summer, and (b) he thinks he would be more effective in the regular season, too.

Don't you think that's what that means?

Ed O.

Well the same cast of SL characters have certainly played better and been more effective with Pooh at PG, so why would I or anyone else think Bayless would do better at PG in the NBA? They are working with the same guys, that shows me Bayless has been ineffective in RUNNING the team, and frankly that is excactly how he looked last season as well - no change there. Now SG on the second unit is likely a different story. IMO neither Bayless or Pooh is even a decent backup NBA PG, that suggest to me KP better get off this arse and improve the position.

 

[Ed O]

Well the same cast of SL characters have certainly played better and been more effective with Pooh at PG, so why would I or anyone else think Bayless would do better at PG in the NBA?

First of all, they're not the same cast of characters. Jeter has been coming off of the bench so he's been playing with different people for much of the time... Bayless hasn't played much, as far as I can recall, with Padgett, who is the only guy who has successfully scored with a back-to-the-basket move this summer for the Blazers.

Secondly, the team has not been more effective with Pooh at PG. The best basketball the team has played (for whatever it's worth) was the opening of the first game, and Jeter was sitting on the bench watching that.

Ed O.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

But what about when he said this?



That makes it looks like he thinks (a) Jeter has looked better in the summer, and (b) he thinks he would be more effective in the regular season, too.

Don't you think that's what that means?

Ed O.

Jeter has looked better and more effective in the summer, I think most people can agree to that. And I dont see it as being very far fetched for him to have the opinion that Jeter would be more effective in the regular season. I know Jeter has never shown anything in the NBA, but Bayless hasn't shown much more. So to act like SpanishFly is an idiot for his opinion is ridiculous and uncalled for.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

First of all, they're not the same cast of characters. Jeter has been coming off of the bench so he's been playing with different people for much of the time... Bayless hasn't played much, as far as I can recall, with Padgett, who is the only guy who has successfully scored with a back-to-the-basket move this summer for the Blazers.

Secondly, the team has not been more effective with Pooh at PG. The best basketball the team has played (for whatever it's worth) was the opening of the first game, and Jeter was sitting on the bench watching that.

Ed O.

Not that many people have been playing.. And Padgett hasn't played much at all and maybe has had 2 or 3 back to the basket moves that weren't offensive rebounds. Bayless and Jeter have mostly played with the same cast of players, I think you are nit picking there.

 

[Ed O]

Jeter has looked better and more effective in the summer, I think most people can agree to that. And I dont see it as being very far fetched for him to have the opinion that Jeter would be more effective in the regular season. I know Jeter has never shown anything in the NBA, but Bayless hasn't shown much more. So to act like SpanishFly is an idiot for his opinion is ridiculous and uncalled for.

Well, I'm not acting like SpanishFly is an idiot, but I think his opinion is ridiculous. That Jeter would be able to shoot over 50% from the field in spite of having no three point range in the regular season is silly to me, and that's really the only thing that Jeter's been bringing to the team.

As for this summer, I don't think that he's been as good as Bayless... and I think that Jerryd has really struggled.

Ed O.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Well, I'm not acting like SpanishFly is an idiot, but I think his opinion is ridiculous. That Jeter would be able to shoot over 50% from the field in spite of having no three point range in the regular season is silly to me, and that's really the only thing that Jeter's been bringing to the team.

As for this summer, I don't think that he's been as good as Bayless... and I think that Jerryd has really struggled.

Ed O.

Jeter per 36 minutes: 21.47 points, 5.97 assists, 52% shooting, 0-2 on threes.

Bayless per 36 minutes: 19.81 points, 4.4 assists, 46% shooting, 1/5 on threes.

Jeter has obviously been better, and you can't really compare three point shooting since both have taken so little of them.

 

[Ed O]

Jeter per 36 minutes: 21.47 points, 5.97 assists, 52% shooting, 0-2 on threes.

Bayless per 36 minutes: 19.81 points, 4.4 assists, 46% shooting, 1/5 on threes.

Jeter has obviously been better, and you can't really compare three point shooting since both have taken so little of them.

I can't really be swayed by stats when there have been three 40 minute games played. Sorry. I'd rather just go with what I've seen.

Jeter is an afterthought on the part of the defenses, while Bayless is really the only guy that opponents need to worry about. Pooh's hit some jumpers and he's got to the line but he really hasn't done anything else, and I don't think that he's been effective defensively or in setting up his teammates.

Ed O.

 

[ODENISGOD]

jeter is a way better point then bayless its not even close. But thats not saying much because I can play a better point then bayless

 

[SpanishFly]

I can't really be swayed by stats when there have been three 40 minute games played. Sorry. I'd rather just go with what I've seen.

Jeter is an afterthought on the part of the defenses, while Bayless is really the only guy that opponents need to worry about. Pooh's hit some jumpers and he's got to the line but he really hasn't done anything else, and I don't think that he's been effective defensively or in setting up his teammates.

Ed O.

Get over it dude, Bayless is playing worse than Jeter who is not that good. You make lame excuses but SL has been really bummer for Bayless.

 

[Wheels]

Get over it dude, Bayless is playing worse than Jeter who is not that good. You make lame excuses but SL has been really bummer for Bayless.

SIGN HIM NOW THEN BEFORE OTHER TEAMS DO... HURRY KP!!!

 

[VanillaGorilla]

I can't really be swayed by stats when there have been three 40 minute games played. Sorry. I'd rather just go with what I've seen.

Jeter is an afterthought on the part of the defenses, while Bayless is really the only guy that opponents need to worry about. Pooh's hit some jumpers and he's got to the line but he really hasn't done anything else, and I don't think that he's been effective defensively or in setting up his teammates.

Ed O.

And what has Bayless done? I don't get how what you've seen is Bayless playing better, but ok. Jeter has been setting up his teammates better than Bayless, and it's not like Bayless has been very effective on defense. After he got a couple hand check fouls from his suffocating defense that does nothing, he got beat every time. Jeter has even been finishing better than Bayless.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

SIGN HIM NOW THEN BEFORE OTHER TEAMS DO... HURRY KP!!!

This didn't contribute and wasn't funny. Plus, he said

Get over it dude, Bayless is playing worse than Jeter who is not that good. You make lame excuses but SL has been really bummer for Bayless.

and hasn't been talking about Jeter being good, it's about Bayless being bad.

 

[Wheels]

This didn't contribute and wasn't funny. Plus, he said
and hasn't been talking about Jeter being good, it's about Bayless being bad.

well excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse meeeee

ok then CUT BAYLESS TRADE HIS ASS?

 

[VanillaGorilla]

ok then CUT BAYLESS TRADE HIS ASS?

Better. But I phrased my last statement poorly, I should have said it's about Bayless being worse then Jeter so far in this summer league.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Tobias Funke makes everything funny.

 

[Wheels]

Better. But I phrased my last statement poorly, I should have said it's about Bayless being worse then Jeter so far in this summer league.

I will agree to that, so far, and its summer league. But I would also say that Bayless has shown more in games that count (NJ and Detroit) than Jeter has shown in 2 games of SL. both are too small of sample sizes.

 

[Wheels]

Tobias Funke makes everything funny.

lol allllllllllll better.

 

[MrJayremmie]

Bayless is doing fine. 18ppg, 4.3apg, and 3.8rpg is good. He has got to work on the TOs, but the they will happen the more he tries to play PG. Its better to get these out of the way now.

 

[cdub503]

Plus he would probably have a few more assists if the scrubs that aren't our draft picks could hit a shot or finish but I'm sure that's already been said (didn't look through past pages)

 

[RoyToy]

lolololololol

 

[PapaG]

Well, I'm not acting like SpanishFly is an idiot, but I think his opinion is ridiculous. That Jeter would be able to shoot over 50% from the field in spite of having no three point range in the regular season is silly to me, and that's really the only thing that Jeter's been bringing to the team.
As for this summer, I don't think that he's been as good as Bayless... and I think that Jerryd has really struggled.

Ed O.

Actually, he'd be more likely to shoot 50% from the field if he didn't take any three-pointers. Shooting a lot of 3 pointers regardless of efficacy will lower a player's FG %.

 

[LittleAlex]

Did the author of this thread happen to watch the game Jeter played in without Bayless?

It might change his opinion.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Did the author of this thread happen to watch the game Jeter played in without Bayless?

It might change his opinion.

8 assists and only 3 turnovers.. bayless can't even come close to that

 

[blue32]

8 assists and only 3 turnovers.. bayless can't even come close to that

His first game, he did 7 assists, and like 20 points or something; way more than Jeter in that 8 assist game he had.