JFK

[Denny Crane]

E Howard Hunt

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._How...ession.22_of_involvement_in_JFK_Assassination

According to Hunt's widow and other children, the two sons took advantage of Hunt's loss of lucidity by coaching and exploiting him for financial gain.[56] The Los Angeles Times said they examined the materials offered by the sons to support the story and found them to be "inconclusive".

 

[Sinobas]

The condition of the bullet has already been addressed. In several reenactments, the bullet hit both "people" and came out pristine.

What re-enactments are you talking about? Did they take place in a computer simulation too?

This is exhibit F-294 from HSCA, on the left you see CE 399, the magic bullet, to the right you see two bullets which were fired with the same ammo and and gun into swabbs of cotton. cc853 was fired into the rip of a goat and the one on the far right was fired through the wrist of a human cadavier, in the same bone Connally was hit.

 

[Sinobas]

E Howard Hunt

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._How...ession.22_of_involvement_in_JFK_Assassination

According to Hunt's widow and other children, the two sons took advantage of Hunt's loss of lucidity by coaching and exploiting him for financial gain.[56] The Los Angeles Times said they examined the materials offered by the sons to support the story and found them to be "inconclusive".

Ah, well the Los Angeles times found it "inconclusive" I guess that settles it. I'm sure they did a rigerous investigation, afterall, media these days is great at doing real investigation. The real investigations have already shown the Oswald story is bunk, getting a confession is just a cherry on top. But of course, nothing will be good enough for some people.

I listened to the tape, and it was a big long monologue by E Howard Hunt. The JFK thing was only one of the things mentioned, but we know this guy was involved in some serious shit during his career.

But whatever, believe he made it up or that his sons implanted false memories in his mind.

 

[Denny Crane]

Ah, well the Los Angeles times found it "inconclusive" I guess that settles it. I'm sure they did a rigerous investigation, afterall, media these days is great at doing real investigation. The real investigations have already shown the Oswald story is bunk, getting a confession is just a cherry on top. But of course, nothing will be good enough for some people.

I listened to the tape, and it was a big long monologue by E Howard Hunt. The JFK thing was only one of the things mentioned, but we know this guy was involved in some serious shit during his career.

But whatever, believe he made it up or that his sons implanted false memories in his mind.

What interest does the media have in covering this up?

That's the biggest head scratcher of them all.

They were happy to take down Nixon. Think about it.

 

[Denny Crane]

 

[Sinobas]

Denny, the argument is not that the bullet was unfired, but that it looks like a bullet fired into cotton swabs and nothing like a bullet that has hit bone.

So in regards to the "magic shot". I don't think it's impossible that JFK and the Connally could have been aligned in such a way that you could draw a line from the school book depository straight through all of their wounds. The shot that hit JFK apprantly came while they limo was behind the sign though, so we can't see what position they were in.

Another unknown is how the path of the bullet may have altered or deflected. It does seem unlikely that bullet going on an ~18 degree trajector to the left would be able to go through JFKs neck and hit Connally in the right armpit. In the vid where Connally turns, his right shoulder doesn't appear to really move to the left much, he pivots. If you turn in your chair to look over your right shoulder, are you going to twist your back at a 90 degree angle or lean to the right on your hip. If I'm sitting in a car and want to look over my right shoulder, I'm going to lean to the right. See what I mean? The contortion does not seem likely. The zapruder film seems to show this as well.

In terms of trying to find the location of the shot based on an imaginary position of the two men, it's a bit of a silly exercise, because the slightest adjustment in the angle of entry or the way JFK was positioned will throw the originating location way off.

Connally and his wife were pretty adamant that they were not hit by the same shot, and frame 230, where you see him holding his hat when his wrist bone was shattered corroberates that.

 

[Denny Crane]

The bullet is squashed because it hit bone sideways.

Are you a forensic expert? Are you listening to those who are?

I don't think so on either count.

FWIW

 

[Sinobas]

The bullet is squashed because it hit bone sideways.

Are you a forensic expert? Are you listening to those who are?

I don't think so on either count.

FWIW

I assume you mean to say the bullet was not squashed because it hit the bone sideways. What forensic expert said that? The picture I posted CAME from an actual forensic test using the same bullets, gun, and hitting the same material.

So why don't you tell me what forensic test has shown that a tumbling bullet can break a wrist or rib bone and not sustain similar damage to one that hits head on. I am no forensic expert, but that doesn't make sense to me at all.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I assume you mean to say the bullet was not squashed because it hit the bone sideways. What forensic expert said that? The picture I posted CAME from an actual forensic test using the same bullets, gun, and hitting the same material.

So why don't you tell me what forensic test has shown that a tumbling bullet can break a wrist or rib bone and not sustain similar damage to one that hits head on. I am no forensic expert, but that doesn't make sense to me at all.

Seriously, I'm not sure why you're ignoring me. Watch the Nova special. It covers a lot of the stuff you're talking about.

 

[Denny Crane]

Do you not see that CE 399 is not round. It's squashed. Oval shaped. Right below where it says "Not even almost pristine."

It's also got a chunk of it missing, which was found where you'd expect it to be found.

 

[Sinobas]

Seriously, I'm not sure why you're ignoring me. Watch the Nova special. It covers a lot of the stuff you're talking about.

That was actually on today during the Blazer game. I saw bits of it during commercial and it did look interesting. Though I doubt they've really uncovered anything I haven't heard before. I'll try and catch it sometime.

 

[Sinobas]

Denny, no one is trying to say it was not fired, but just look at the exhibit I posted above, it looks like the two examples that were fired into cotton swabs.....

 

[Denny Crane]

And yeah, watch the damn Nova video.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

That was actually on today during the Blazer game. I saw bits of it during commercial and it did look interesting. Though I doubt they've really uncovered anything I haven't heard before. I'll try and catch it sometime.

You can watch it online, the link is on the first page.

 

[Denny Crane]

Denny, no one is trying to say it was not fired, but just look at the exhibit I posted above, it looks like the two examples that were fired into cotton swabs.....

Watch the video.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Watch the video.

The test I thought was illuminating was the ballistic soap.

 

[Sinobas]

Soap? Did they fire a tumbling bullet through bone and have it coming out like Denny said? I saw them fire a bullet into pine and ballisitc jelly. Not the same thing boys.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Soap? Did they fire a tumbling bullet through bone and have it coming out like Denny said? I saw them fire a bullet into pine and ballisitc jelly. Not the same thing boys.

Ballistic soap shows you things that ballistic jelly can't. It was just cool, it would be fun to shoot into some. It was just one of many tests.

 

[MARIS61]

He almost certainly acted alone. Every reputable investigation of the case has come to that conclusion.

That would be impossible, since no reputable investigation of the case has ever been conducted.

 

[MARIS61]

I thought it was evidence of a cover-up that since he was a Navy man the Navy insisted on doing the autopsy when they weren't trained to do criminal investigative autopsies.

FIFY.

 

[Denny Crane]

Soap? Did they fire a tumbling bullet through bone and have it coming out like Denny said? I saw them fire a bullet into pine and ballisitc jelly. Not the same thing boys.

Watch it.

http://video.pbs.org/video/2365118537/

The bullet passed through Kennedy and tumbled for the 3ft between he and entering Connally.

 

[Denny Crane]

That would be impossible, since no reputable investigation of the case has ever been conducted.

Surely you believe the guests on Art Bell's radio show.

SMH

 

[MARIS61]

It's been noted in a few military history books how it didn't perform very well in combat compared to the rifles of other nations. The Italian goverment wanted to replace it for inadequate performance, but it stayed in use because it was cheap. But anyway, this is not definitive either way, but it was a bolt action rifle.

It would be extremely difficult to even be able to fire off 3 shots in the allotted time, and the 1st shot would be the one that was aimed, the 2nd and 3rd would just be load and shoot. But if it had coming from the book depository, the 1st bullet missed ridiculously high and wide, and the third shot was dead on, fired on a moving target through foiliage.


This is the bullet that supposedly caused all those wounds. It would be much more deformed if it had caused all those wounds the official story claims it does.

An obvious "drop" done by conspirators after the fact. No damage at all. Had it even went through a pop can it would be drastically altered, and were it tumbling on impact it likely would have ripped a large entry and been lodged in it's first target.

 

[MARIS61]

Funding for PBS programs comes from a variety of sources - member stations' dues, the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, government agencies, foundations, corporations and private citizens.

Criminals investigating themselves to set your mind at ease.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Funding for PBS programs comes from a variety of sources - member stations' dues, the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, government agencies, foundations, corporations and private citizens.

Criminals investigating themselves to set your mind at ease.

PBS has broadcast many shows and investigations that are critical of the government.

 

[Denny Crane]

I don't see the benefit of trying to maintain such an elaborate conspiracy fifty years later. LBJ is long dead, so are the mafia guys,and whoever.

Did ya hear Hoover was a cross dresser? That was kept secret for years, but nobody really cares at this point in time. Heck, Hoover spied on lots of people he had no business spying on, much of it completely outside of constitutionality.

Corporations? We know many big brands were Nazi supporters. Whatever "crime" they committed is not going to carry much penalty at this point.

Occams Razor says JFK was a sickly man who suffered from back pain. He was almost certainly hopped up on pain pills and other medication. That is what the family likely wanted to hide.

 

[MARIS61]

http://news.msn.com/us/why-are-the-jfk-files-still-sealed-after-50-years?ocid=msnnws

Nearly all relevant evidence of the crime is still being illegally withheld by the CIA. Of the 2 "official" investigations the Warren Commission rubber-stamped the cover-up without batting an eye. Their members included Chairman Gerald Ford who was rewarded with the Vice Presidency for guiding the "acquittal", and later the Presidency for illegally granting Nixon clemency for crimes of treason before he was even charged. Another crucial member was former CIA director Allen Dulles.

The House investigation concluded there was likely a conspiracy, and that the CIA was withholding evidence that would likely support their involvement in some way.

 

[Denny Crane]

From Maris' own link:

Those revelations would be overshadowed, however, by the House committee's JFK conclusion: That sound impulses recorded on the microphone of a Dallas police officer amounted to evidence of a shot from the infamous "grassy knoll" in Dealey Plaza, and thus of an additional gunman besides Oswald firing from a building window.

Kennedy, the committee's final report said in carefully tempered language, was "probably assassinated as the result of a conspiracy. The committee is unable to identify the other gunman or the extent of the conspiracy."

Subsequent analyses have cast doubt on the acoustic evidence, and the issue is considered unresolved.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

If there was a 2nd gunman it was probably MARIS61.

 

[MARIS61]

I don't see the benefit of trying to maintain such an elaborate conspiracy fifty years later. LBJ is long dead, so are the mafia guys,and whoever.

Did ya hear Hoover was a cross dresser? That was kept secret for years, but nobody really cares at this poin. Heck, Hoover spied on lots of people he had no business spying on, much of it completely outside of constitutionality.

Corporations? We know many big brands were Nazi supporters. Whatever "crime" they committed is not going to carry much penalty at this point.

Occams Razor says JFK was a sickly man who suffered from back pain. He was almost certainly hopped up on pain pills and other medication. That is what the family likely wanted to hide.

Smoke and mirrors. Bit players, pawns and propaganda.

The CIA is where you should be casting your gaze. The Bush (CIA) (Texas) family, whose determined scheme to hand over control of America to The New World Order was unthinkable as long as any Kennedy was available for the Presidency, is where all the arrows point when you're speaking of people who had the means and desire to kill JFK and Bobby.

Decades of treasonous crimes, abuse of office, misuse of our armed forces, hits on US citizens and reporters, all still going on as I type these words 50 years later.

It wasn't simply an assassination, it was a coup. And the folks that pulled it off have been ruling you for 50 years.