Jimmy Butler wants out? (He does.)

[Propagandist]

Suck it FAMS!

This instantly reminded me of a recent conversation I had with the Mrs. HCP...

 

[Rozay]

Prop, Im just not sure Id give up Collins but I'd give up Jake, Simons, and/or Trent plus Mo and/or Turner.
Im not convinced the wolves would trade him to the same division. You'd need to include CJ and some for that to happen.

You wouldn’t give up Collins but you would Simons? Collins sucks. Simons in a few months only showed way more promise and excitement than Collins has.

Simons is going to be a star one day you can just see it. Collins is a career backup type of player

 

[Hoopguru]

You wouldn’t give up Collins but you would Simons? Collins sucks. Simons in a few months only showed way more promise and excitement than Collins has.

Simons is going to be a star one day you can just see it. Collins is a career backup type of player

I agree that Simons will be a super player and I realize that Collins has a ways to go yet, but my thinking is we would have a larger need at 4/5 than 2/3 with the addition of Butler if it was going to happen.
I think Collins ceiling is very high too.
With Trent, Curry & Stuaskus you could somewhat offset the loss of Simons.
I'd rather keep them both.

 

[Hoopguru]

Jimmy is tanking his trade value even further.... which is actually really impressive.

and watch Butler start the season with them and they roll off 15 straight wins! Think his trade value still goes down?

 

[THE HCP]

 

[Boob-No-More]

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That might be funny if Jimmy was actually winning something here, but so far it looks like everyone involved is going to come out losers. That shit show has made Jimmy, Thibs and the entire organization look bad. Jimmy's real beef seems to be he wants a max contract and MIN didn't want to give it to him. He, and they, have driven down his market value to the point where no one else will either. Seems kind of self-defeating to me. Plus, MIN will never get close to equal value back in a trade. So, they lose, too.

BNM

 

[HailBlazers]

I am the Jimmy Butler of S2!!!!!!

Insufferable indeed!!!

 

[Blazers Roy]

You just KNOW that fucking Daryl Morey will end up getting Butler for scraps!
I hate that fucking guy and the Rockets so much.

 

[Natebishop3]

You just KNOW that fucking Daryl Morey will end up getting Butler for scraps!
I hate that fucking guy and the Rockets so much.

Eh, they don't have jack shit.

 

[WillG]

Would easily include Collins in a trade for upgrade - Simons No Way!

 

[Blazers Roy]

Eh, they don't have jack shit.

Oh, idiot Wolves wanted Gordon and Tucker - Morey threw cold water on it right away.
He didnt want to give up THAT MUCH, he will only deal scraps.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Just stop. You got that bullshit straight from Skip Bayless.

Here's a teammate here giving him props. Do you research info or just swallow it? I'll trust the news from the horse's mouth before I trust an IDIOT talking head...

I mean its possibly a topic better discussed else where but I dont really know what to make of TO. Everything Ive read and different team mates seem to give varying opinions. I think on stats alone he was a 1st ballot hofer and I dont like the precedent being set of, “we dont like a guy so we wont honor his achievements”, this is sports not politics, not life and death and TO wasnt a criminal.

Locker-room drama and all that crap seemed to follow TO every where he went, and some of it he brougbt upon himself some of it he didnt. He’s given some pretty good interviews about some of his faults in situations.

The team oblitarator nonsense well thats not really fair it takes a lot of bad leadership from the top down to allow one player to destroy a team. The fact that on almost every team that there were ‘problems’ a lot of players took his side should tell us while he may have had a polarizing personality he wasnt destroying those teams. I think TO is an interesting discussion topic.

 

[Blazers Roy]

Would easily include Collins in a trade for upgrade - Simons No Way!

It's funny, but that thought ran thru my head as well.
Simons looks exciting, he might be our star 8 years from now while Butler will be ring chasing for the vet minimum or retired.

 

[BonesJones]

I like Collins but the dude had problems posting up guards in summer league. If he’s the reason why we won’t trade for Jimmy, well I wouldn’t be surprised bc Olshey loves his guys but ugh

Good thing big men don't need to be able to post up to be great players.

 

[Pinwheel1]

It's funny, but that thought ran thru my head as well.
Simons looks exciting, he might be our star 8 years from now while Butler will be ring chasing for the vet minimum or retired.

Yeah Simons is the type of gamble you take in the 20's when available. A little risky but with a possible high reward. The hard part is waiting it out until he can help.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Is he making Minnesota better? How good was Chicago with him?

When healthy Minnesota was a top 2 or 3 team in the west...

 

[julius]

When healthy Minnesota was a top 2 or 3 team in the west...

by that same token, Portland was a top 3 team

 

[Phatguysrule]

So you’re a GM and want to save your job and you want to hitch your wagon to Jimmy Butler whos a world class punk who will leave in a year. Logical.

Who else are we going to go get with our assets? IMO, we need another player at least as good as CJ.

Honestly without a move that adds that kind of talent I think Olshey is as good as gone.

 

[Phatguysrule]

by that same token, Portland was a top 3 team

And we weren't as good as healthy Minnesota.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Just think about the following scenario:

*Neil trades Dame's best friend on the team for Butler*

-Butler to Dame: "HELLO LILLARD, I'M JIMMY BUTLER! I'LL SHOW YOU HOW TO WIN, THIS IS MY TEAM NOW,YOU CAN'T WIN WITHOUT ME, CUZ I'M A WINNER! I'M JIMMY BUTLER!
*turns around*
HEY YOU, THE GUY WITH THE FUNNY ACCENT, WHY YOU SO SLOW ON FAST BREAKS? SO WHAT IF YOU'RE 7 FOOT TALL?! MOVE YOUR ASS!! I'M JIMMY BUTLER!"

Dame: "The fuck just happened this week?!"

You do not include CJ in a move for Jimmy Butler. His value is dropping.

 

[julius]

And we weren't as good as healthy Minnesota.

Thems the breaks.

 

[jlprk]

It's funny, but that thought ran thru my head as well.
Simons looks exciting, he might be our star 8 years from now while Butler will be ring chasing for the vet minimum or retired.

Simon will start in 2-3 years. He'll be better than McCollum, who will leave, because he has court vision and can double as PG.

No evidence needed, just eyeball. This is my command.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

This confirms again that Miami was offering only Richardson and a draft pick, and not taking back Dieng.
"There’s been a couple of different incarnations of this deal. The first one, the Heat didn’t want to take back Gorgui Dieng. Then, the next incarnation of the deal was ‘OK forget it, let’s just do it straight up, just for Jimmy on your end.’ They finally relented on Josh Richardson. They were giving them Josh Richardson, then Dion Waiters was going to be the cap filler and then a protected first-round pick.

The medicals were exchanged, which generally in the NBA means this is a done deal. And then, Thibs called back and wanted more picks. And Pat Riley literally — I was told — called him a motherbleeper and hung up the phone."
https://sports.yahoo.com/report-pat...otherf-hung-jimmy-butler-talks-034719927.html

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

This confirms again that Miami was offering only Richardson and a draft pick, and not taking back Dieng.
"There’s been a couple of different incarnations of this deal. The first one, the Heat didn’t want to take back Gorgui Dieng. Then, the next incarnation of the deal was ‘OK forget it, let’s just do it straight up, just for Jimmy on your end.’ They finally relented on Josh Richardson. They were giving them Josh Richardson, then Dion Waiters was going to be the cap filler and then a protected first-round pick.

The medicals were exchanged, which generally in the NBA means this is a done deal. And then, Thibs called back and wanted more picks. And Pat Riley literally — I was told — called him a motherbleeper and hung up the phone."
https://sports.yahoo.com/report-pat...otherf-hung-jimmy-butler-talks-034719927.html

I think it should be noted that Minnesota would have been taking back Waiters, who had a 10.58 PER last year and whose three year contract would pay out about the same as Evan Turner's two year contract. I see no reason at all why Minnesota wouldn't take back Turner in a deal with us.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I think it should be noted that Minnesota would have been taking back Waiters, who had a 10.58 PER last year and whose three year contract would pay out about the same as Evan Turner's two year contract. I see no reason at all why Minnesota wouldn't take back Turner in a deal with us.

I got the reason. No one thinks Turner is any good, yeah they may say he is in an interview, but behind the scenes I dont think anyone wants him. The league thinks besides Dame and CJ no one on the Blazers is that good. So its gonna be hard to get teams to take our not good, oh and overpaid players. ML and ET are more than likely staying unless theyre filler to make salaries work.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I got the reason. No one thinks Turner is any good, yeah they may say he is in an interview, but behind the scenes I dont think anyone wants him. The league thinks besides Dame and CJ no one on the Blazers is that good. So its gonna be hard to get teams to take our not good, oh and overpaid players. ML and ET are more than likely staying unless theyre filler to make salaries work.

But...someone thinks Dion Waiters is good?

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

But...someone thinks Dion Waiters is good?

I think there is a much bigger chance an NBA coach or gm would look at waiters and think oh this could be our instant offense off the bench guy and want him, than there is they look at Turner and think he could do anything they really covet.

 

[Pinwheel1]

ML and ET are more than likely staying unless they're filler to make salaries work.

Kind of a catch 22. A few years back we couldn't make a big trade without combining half the team to match salaries. You have to have one or two of those types of contracts on your roster to make a big deal.......to go along with young players or draft picks. Ideally though we would have one ending contract this year and one next year.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Kind of a catch 22. A few years back we couldn't make a big trade without combing half the team to match salaries. You have to have one or two of those types of contracts on your roster to make a big deal.......to go along with young players or draft picks. Ideally though we would have one ending contract this year and one next year.

Well it was one thing to give guys big money, it was weird to give them all big money and 4 years too. Nothing like locking in the mediocrity.

Im salty today!

taking a step back, you’re right those type of contracts do help with big trades and such.

 

[BigGameDamian]

If the Blazers had Pat Rily as a GM we'd probably have Jimmy Butler by now.