Jimmy Butler wants out? (He does.)

[BonesJones]

If Neil really wanted Jimmy Butler, he would be a Blazer. None of the teams on that list will be able or willing to offer a better fit to win now for TWolves than CJ. The problem is Neil is unwilling to trade CJ and he knows this is the only way to get Butler to Portland... he is once again having his friend Woj add his name as interested to make it seem like he is trying... Neil is such a con artist.

Would you rather add Butler to CJ, or trade CJ for him???

 

[BonesJones]

My problem with your take on this is that you argue what a burden CJ is to the team while also arguing that he should have the most trade value compared to the other teams listed. What if Minnesota doesn't want CJ?

EXACTLY.

If CJ is "extremely overpaid", why would Minnesota even want him in general???

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Would you rather add Butler to CJ, or trade CJ for him???

Id rather not trade CJ or Collins but after seeing BNM’s posts comparing CJ and Butler. Id definitely be willing to give up CJ. Even if its just a year. Just go big for once...

 

[jlprk]

Exactly. Adding four SGs this summer, two 19-year olds with potential and two veterans on short term contracts wasn't merely a coincidence. It was done for a reason - to bee able to move C.J. if the right deal comes along.

Is C.J. for Butler that deal? Time will tell. If not, there may be other deals available at the trade deadline or next summer.

Point being, if we trade C.J. for an upgrade at a different position, we will have SG cobered both short term and long term.

You're giving Olshey a lot of credit. I think he just took the best players available. Anyway, I've been McCollum's biggest critic since his first Summer League (he sucked) and I'd be glad to see his giant contract gone. His presence kills Olshey's options.

 

[hoopsjock]

I figured this was going to happen. Oh, Neil isn't doing anything, look, we're not listed, come on Neil. Then we're listed and it's Oh, Neil's buddy put him on the list to make it look like he's doing something. People will find anything to bitch about, apparently.

Do people actually believe that the Blazers wouldn't at least call and be interested? It sure seems that way for some reason. It's like certain people forget there are 28 other teams that could potentially be involved too.

 

[Scalma]

So, first it was "bad" that we weren't included, then it was "bad" that we were? Which is worse, the exclusion of the inclusion?

According to the original article:

"Although Woj reports that few, if any, teams “are engaged in serious conversations with the Timberwolves on Butler,” there are others waiting till the dust clears on Minnesota’s intentions with Butler."

Being first isn't always the best position to be in in these situations. It is often better to sit back, see what others are offering, and then beat those offers. By then, you'll have a clearer picture of what it will take to get a deal done without overpaying.

BNM

Ok, suit.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Do people actually believe that the Blazers wouldn't at least call and be interested? It sure seems that way for some reason. It's like certain people forget there are 28 other teams that could potentially be involved too.

I didnt say I believed it. I just posted the link I saw this morning where it didnt have the Blazers listed. Others posted links where they were listed. I wouldnt be shocked if NO wasnt on the phone trying to make something happen.

 

[Gronk Brady]

Would you rather add Butler to CJ, or trade CJ for him???

I’d rather trade CJ and keep Collins... I think a Dame/Butler combo with a balanced roster is better than committing 30 mil to 3 backcourt players that all want the ball in their hands

 

[Boob-No-More]

Honestly I never even expected for us to be included. Are we even included? Maybe. Who knows. It sure says it now but once again that could be the woj and Neil relationship. Either way. I’m expecting another mediocre season. I don’t expect us to grab butler and improve. Nobody knows if Neil has ever been close in his trade talks in his time here. I do know that he has only been successful in getting nurkic through a trade. That’s it though.

Nurk is the best player he's gotten through a trade, but he also got Robin Lopez Mason Plumlee, Maurice Harkless, Allen Crabbe, Shabazz Napier, Zach Collins and Gary Trent Jr though trades. None of those guys are superstars, but those were all favorable trades that netted us starters and rotation players.

BNM

 

[Scalma]

I’d rather trade CJ and keep Collins... I think a Dame/Butler combo with a balanced roster is better than committing 30 mil to 3 backcourt players that all want the ball in their hands

The only downside is if we trade CJ and Butler bounces next summer, Dame is probably gonna be pissed. Then again we’d probably have the money to go after Cousins. But he’d have to prove he was healthy, and that’s another question mark.

In a vacuum I’d do it. I believe in Trent and Simons as replacements.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Ok, suit.

Nice comeback. Ad hominem attacks win every time. They totally own actual facts. You must have excelled on the debate team in high school.

BNM

 

[BonesJones]

I’d rather trade CJ and keep Collins... I think a Dame/Butler combo with a balanced roster is better than committing 30 mil to 3 backcourt players that all want the ball in their hands

Turner and 3 or 4 picks is what I'd be trying to do.

 

[Gronk Brady]

The only downside is if we trade CJ and Butler bounces next summer, Dame is probably gonna be pissed. Then again we’d probably have the money to go after Cousins. But he’d have to prove he was healthy, and that’s another question mark.

In a vacuum I’d do it. I believe in Trent and Simons as replacements.

I don’t think Jimmy would leave if they were winning... and if Dame can’t win with Jimmy than this team us probably gone as far as it can go, and it’s time to rebuild anyway

 

[Scalma]

Nice comeback. Ad hominem attacks win every time. They totally own actual facts. You must have excelled on the debate team in high school.

BNM

Nothing you said was factual, just your opinion.

 

[Gronk Brady]

Turner and 3 or 4 picks is what I'd be trying to do.

So you would rather give 3 or 4 future 1st rd picks like the Nets did to Boston and mortgage the future, than trade CJ who is over paid... so then we are paying 90% of salary cap to 3 gaurds and lose all future flexibility

 

[BonesJones]

I don’t think Jimmy would leave if they were winning... and if Dame can’t win with Jimmy than this team us probably gone as far as it can go, and it’s time to rebuild anyway

Jimmy could be the reason we dont win though, so I dont see how that'd be a Dame problem.

Jimmy has severe character questions.

 

[BonesJones]

So you would rather give 3 or 4 future 1st rd picks like the Nets did to Boston and mortgage the future, than trade CJ who is over paid... so then we are paying 90% of salary cap to 3 gaurds and lose all future flexibility

Bruh, this post just shows limited knowledge. C'mon man.

Brooklyn didn't protect their picks. We would. That way, if everything went bad, we could tank and keep them, unlike Brooklyn.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Nothing you said was factual, just your opinion.

So, Aminu starting 68 games at SF in 2015-16 was not factual? Kaman and Alexander playing 148 combined minutes was not factual? This table was not factual:



That's the difference between you and me. I provide facts to back up my opinions. You spout opinions without backing them up (and resort to ad hominem attacks when someone else provides facts to refute your opinions).

BNM

 

[Scalma]

So, Aminu starting 68 games at SF in 2015-16 was not factual? Kaman and Alexander playing 148 combined minutes was not factual? This table was not factual:

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That's the difference between you and me. I provide facts to back up my opinions. You spout opinions without backing them up (and resort to ad hominem attacks when someone else provides facts to refute your opinions).

BNM

Might want to check which post of yours I quoted there. Neil keeping you busy this morning?

 

[Gronk Brady]

Bruh, this post just shows limited knowledge. C'mon man.

Brooklyn didn't protect their picks. We would. That way, if everything went bad, we could tank and keep them, unlike Brooklyn.

Why would they take worthless protected picks for a superstar in Butler... another team will easily beat that offer

 

[Cippy91]

Jimmy could be the reason we dont win though, so I dont see how that'd be a Dame problem.

Jimmy has severe character questions.

Exactly. It’s his character. I was on the wolves subreddit and everything bad wolves fans had to say we’re about thibs and jimmys character. That’s what scares me about him in a scenario where we trade cj.

 

[jlprk]

If CJ is "extremely overpaid", why would Minnesota even want him in general???

1) They're falling for the hype. 2) He's the best player they're being offered, overpaid or not.

 

[BonesJones]

Why would they take worthless protected picks for a superstar in Butler... another team will easily beat that offer

I'm talking top 8 protected. That's a pretty solid haul. You think they'd automatically take, what you call an "overpaid" McCollum, but would have no interest in 4 first round picks.

SMH.

 

[BonesJones]

1) They're falling for the hype. 2) He's the best player they're being offered, overpaid or not.

LOL. He's always better to y'all when he's being traded...

 

[BonesJones]

Exactly. It’s his character. I was on the wolves subreddit and everything bad wolves fans had to say we’re about thibs and jimmys character. That’s what scares me about him in a scenario where we trade cj.

If there weren't character questions I'd trade CJ for him in a heartbeat.

 

[Scalma]

Character isn’t what wins championships. This isn’t the Boy Scouts. And the whole point of building a “culture” is so you can take chances on guys with questionable off court issues.

And it’s not like the guy is a criminal. He probably has an alpha personality and might have been pushed into a leadership role he wasn’t fit for.

 

[jlprk]

Butler's crusty personality flows from Thibodeaux's. Under the soft, caring vision of fatherly Stotts, Butler's inner self would emerge, giggling like a child.

 

[BonesJones]

Character isn’t what wins championships. This isn’t the Boy Scouts. And the whole point of building a “culture” is so you can take chances on guys with questionable off court issues.

And it’s not like the guy is a criminal. He probably has an alpha personality and might have been pushed into a leadership role he wasn’t fit for.

Character can destroy teams though. Olshey went after Cousins. If Olshey didn't go after Butler due to concerns about his character, I would trust that itd be justified.

 

[Scalma]

Character can destroy teams though. Olshey went after Cousins. If Olshey didn't go after Butler due to concerns about his character, I would trust that itd be justified.

In Portland’s case, there’s not much to destroy. I’d rather be in the lottery than the purgatory we’re in now. This is the worst. They’re good enough to tease you into thinking they have a shot, but in the end you know they don’t stand a chance. What’s the point? I’d rather take a chance on being great.

 

[Gronk Brady]

https://www.nbcsports.com/northwest...sota-timberwolves-potential-jimmy-butler-deal

According to Dwight Jaynes, CJ is untouchable in any Jimmy Butler deal... man I hate Neil