Jimmy Butler wants out? (He does.)

[Reep]

Am I the only one that would be a little nervous about trading some combination of Collins, Simons, Trent, 1st pick and filler for Butler? I originally thought it would take CJ, but Minne could do a lot worse. KAT, Collins, Wiggins, Trent, Simons, pick could be an interesting lineup in a few years when GS might be fading.

Overall I think you have to focus on Dame and if you have a chance to compete now you have to take it. I guess if it fails then you rebuild harder without Collins and Simons.

 

[julius]

Am I the only one that would be a little nervous about trading some combination of Collins, Simons, Trent, 1st pick and filler for Butler? I originally thought it would take CJ, but Minne could do a lot worse. KAT, Collins, Wiggins, Trent, Simons, pick could be an interesting lineup in a few years when GS might be fading.

Overall I think you have to focus on Dame and if you have a chance to compete now you have to take it. I guess if it fails then you rebuild harder without Collins and Simons.

I lived through the Kiki Vandeweghe trade once, don't need to live through it twice. Not saying that Kiki and Jimmy are the same player, but giving up a lot of players for 1 player might be a bad idea, especially if it's for 1 year rental. Lose Collins, Simons, Trent and a 1st round pick for a player who might leave in a year?

No thanks.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Am I the only one that would be a little nervous about trading some combination of Collins, Simons, Trent, 1st pick and filler for Butler? I originally thought it would take CJ, but Minne could do a lot worse. KAT, Collins, Wiggins, Trent, Simons, pick could be an interesting lineup in a few years when GS might be fading.

Overall I think you have to focus on Dame and if you have a chance to compete now you have to take it. I guess if it fails then you rebuild harder without Collins and Simons.

From what I have read, Thibs is only interested in players who can help him right now. Of those mentioned, only Collins would be close on that.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I believe media day is today(?) You’d think a team trading for him wouldnt want to be out there introducing players they are going to trade soon after.

For example that would be really weird to roll out Harkless and whom ever as Blazers then tomorrow trade them...

 

[Natebishop3]

From what I have read, Thibs is only interested in players who can help him right now. Of those mentioned, only Collins would be close on that.

Meyers Leonard come on down!

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

I think Thibs ideal trade would be Turner, Aminu and Collins for Butler and Dieng. I think their owner would be OK with that also.

 

[Natebishop3]

I think Thibs ideal trade would be Turner, Aminu and Collins for Butler and Dieng. I think their owner would be OK with that also.

Man.... we would be thin at power forward. I think another deal would have to be made.

 

[blue9]

At the end of the day [CJ's] locked up for another couple years.
Therefore there is no rush to trade him away for an injury prone, high milage, character issue, 30 year old supermax contract Jimmy Butler.

This is where I'm at on this topic. I'm not against trading CJ, but I don't think I'd gamble our most valuable trade asset on Butler without some sort of assurance/protection.

I don't think it's ever been done, and is not likely to be done, but I also don't know that there are rules against this idea: It would be interesting if, as a way for teams to protect against the "rental" scenario, MIN would include a conditional draft pick in the trade - as in, if Butler walks we get a MIN pick but if Butler stays MIN keeps the pick. Obviously this would only happen in a scenario where MIN wants a specific package (CJ in this example).

 

[Gronk Brady]

Woj on SportsCenter right now... Blazers were not listed as one of the teams interested in Butler

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

Woj on SportsCenter right now... Blazers were not listed as one of the teams interested in Butler. As usual, Olshey sucks and should be fired, blah, blah, blah.....

FTFY

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Man.... we would be thin at power forward. I think another deal would have to be made.

We could add Leonard to the deal and take back Gibson. We would have to add a bit player also to make salaries match. I'm not really strong on this deal; as I have said I would rather trade CJ than Collins. I am just positing what I think Thibs would want.

 

[BigGameDamian]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...eside-justise-winslow-among-players-available

Heat Trade Rumors: Hassan Whiteside, Justise Winslow Among Players Available

 

[Scalma]

Woj on SportsCenter right now... Blazers were not listed as one of the teams interested in Butler

Olshey only payed for the article mention.

 

[hoopsjock]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...eside-justise-winslow-among-players-available

Heat Trade Rumors: Hassan Whiteside, Justise Winslow Among Players Available

No one really wants those guys though.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Here's the take from David Aldridge. He explains better what Butler wanted from Minnesota financially; claims Minnesota wants a first round pick and young veterans and does not mention Portland as a team that should be going after Butler. (Interesting to me that he thinks if Washingon offered Otto Porter, that would not be enough.)
http://www.nba.com/article/2018/09/24/morning-tip-jimmy-butler-minnesota-timberwolves-future

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Here's the take from David Aldridge. He explains better what Butler wanted from Minnesota financially; claims Minnesota wants a first round pick and young veterans and does not mention Portland as a team that should be going after Butler. (Interesting to me that he thinks if Washingon offered Otto Porter, that would not be enough.)
http://www.nba.com/article/2018/09/24/morning-tip-jimmy-butler-minnesota-timberwolves-future

Well, Turner and Aminu are still younger than Butler; but to give them up plus Zach Collins and a first round pick, that seems too much. Although if you consider Turner a negative and Aminu gone in a year anyway, well........

 

[Scalma]

Aminu, Harkless, Simons, and our pick?

 

[Sarni]

Aminu, Harkless, Simons, and our pick?

Not enough.

Collins is the minimum we would need to include and that would only work if we added pick or picks and Minnesota were really high on Collins potential. They are building around Towns so I don’t know.

CJ is probably the only offer that would give us a reasonable chance and beat other offers.

 

[Hoopguru]

Not enough.

Collins is the minimum we would need to include and that would only work if we added pick or picks and Minnesota were really high on Collins potential. They are building around Towns so I don’t know.

CJ is probably the only offer that would give us a reasonable chance and beat other offers.

I kind of agree that the only way Wolves trade him to the same division / Portland CJ & Collins both would be the asking price.

 

[julius]

CJ is probably the only offer that would give us a reasonable chance and beat other offers.

Depends on what the other offers are

 

[hoopsjock]

Aminu, Harkless, Simons, and our pick?

How about this...

Aminu, Harkless, Leonard (unless they really wanted Turner instead), Trent, and a 2019 1st rounder for Butler and Dieng

Dame
CJ
Butler
Collins
Nurk

Baldwin
Curry
Turner
Layman
Dieng

Simons
Swanigan
Stauskas
2 Open Roster Spots

 

[handiman]

Man.... we would be thin at power forward. I think another deal would have to be made.

As much as I hate the idea of giving up Collins, that's a risk you take. No team is better at finding quality PFs, and a high energy tough guy like Swanigan might actually look good alongside Butler, despite his obvious limitations.

 

[Hoopguru]

Im sure everyone realizes that if the Blazers don't end up with Butler, it doesn't mean that Neil didn't propose a decent enough pkg.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Im sure everyone realizes that if the Blazers don't end up with Butler, it doesn't mean that Neil didn't propose a decent enough pkg.

No way. If they dont get Butler its because Neil was golfing all week and couldnt pick up his phone!!!

 

[julius]

Im sure everyone realizes that if the Blazers don't end up with Butler, it doesn't mean that Neil didn't propose a decent enough pkg.

Fans who aren't idiots will realize that

 

[Gronk Brady]

Im sure everyone realizes that if the Blazers don't end up with Butler, it doesn't mean that Neil didn't propose a decent enough pkg.

I would believe that if hasn’t been on the job for 6+ years making the same excuse year after year... if that’s the case, then at some point you have to realize he is just not good at his job

 

[Propagandist]

Fans who aren't idiots will realize that

I suppose I'm an idiot.

Although in my defense, Olshey did remove the theoretical piece(s) necessary to propose a decent enough package.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I would believe that if hasn’t been on the job for 6+ years making the same excuse year after year... if that’s the case, then at some point you have to realize he is just not good at his job

For me it depends on what they get for him. If its something that seems likenthe Blazers could of easily beat without giving up major pieces than I’ll be annoyed. If they get a really good package for him I’ll be more ok with it.

 

[dviss1]

I think peak C.J. was what we saw in 2016-17.

That was CJ's best season so far but not his peak. He still has LOTS of room to grow as a defender and distributor and I predict him growing in those areas.

 

[ripcityboy]

Woj on SportsCenter right now... Blazers were not listed as one of the teams interested in Butler

Woj will only spread the shit for Neil so far. He'll do Olshey a solid but ESPN pays his salaty.