Jimmy Butler wants out? (He does.)

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The most we should offer is Evan Turnover or Aminu and some picks.

Maybe add in Baldwin or Curry. Maybe Caleb or Meyers, but I don't think we should thin out our front court anymore.

Are we able to trade Seth Curry? I'm already tired of him shooting us out of comfortable leads. I'd rather play Baldwin.

And yes I know the Aminu salary wouldn't match. I just threw him out there as being expendable if we got Butler.
 
Scalma said:
It’s not like Portland could get him for less. It’s obvious they’re not going to just take any offer.
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I agree.
It'd be better to 'overpay' and get Butler for only 75% of his value instead of trying to completely low-ball them and not get Butler in the first place.
 
Scalma said:
It’s not like Portland could get him for less. It’s obvious they’re not going to just take any offer.
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It's already dragged out far too long. Thibs fucked up. The very first time Jimmy came to him and demanded a trade, he should have quietly started working the phones BEFORE it all blew up and went public. He stubbornly believed he could smooth things over with Butler, even after the SECOND trade demand went public.

December 15th is when newly signed free agents can be traded, but that's still 6 months away. Do they really want this distraction to drag out that much longer. At some point, they are throwing their season away.

In the mean time, teams like the Lakers, Clippers and Nets are sitting back and waiting, knowing they will have enough cap space next summer to sign him outright, without giving up any valuable assets.

I really wonder what kind of offers they are getting. The MIA deal sucked, and HOU refused to give up Eric Gordon. One would think they are getting better offers that we are hearing about, but if they are, why haven't they pulled the trigger? His trade value isn't going up. Perhaps they are waiting on a team like the Rockets to get desperate enough to up their offer.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
In the mean time, teams like the Lakers, Clippers and Nets are sitting back and waiting, knowing they will have enough cap space next summer to sign him outright, without giving up any valuable assets.
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The thing with Jimmy, is that he wants a team to $how him a $ot of $ove. As long at his new team is willing to give him a 5th year on his contract, there's no way he goes to LA or NY teams.
 
Boob-No-More said:
It's already dragged out far too long. Thibs fucked up. The very first time Jimmy came to him and demanded a trade, he should have quietly started working the phones BEFORE it all blew up and went public. He stubbornly believed he could smooth things over with Butler, even after the SECOND trade demand went public.

December 15th is when newly signed free agents can be traded, but that's still 6 months away. Do they really want this distraction to drag out that much longer. At some point, they are throwing their season away.

In the mean time, teams like the Lakers, Clippers and Nets are sitting back and waiting, knowing they will have enough cap space next summer to sign him outright, without giving up any valuable assets.

I really wonder what kind of offers they are getting. The MIA deal sucked, and HOU refused to give up Eric Gordon. One would think they are getting better offers that we are hearing about, but if they are, why haven't they pulled the trigger? His trade value isn't going up. Perhaps they are waiting on a team like the Rockets to get desperate enough to up their offer.

BNM
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Isnt december 15th like a month and a half away? Sorry Not trying to be ‘that’ guy, just confused by this statement.

I think actually think thibs plan is to play the season with Butler. I think Thibs doesnt really care he either gets fired and gets a big pay day or he gets to stay and collect checks and its clear he’s in control not Taylor.
 
tester551 said:
The thing with Jimmy, is that he wants a team to $how him a $ot of $ove. As long at his new team is willing to give him a 5th year on his contract, there's no way he goes to LA or NY teams.
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That's the problem. It doesn't seem like there are a lot of takers for the privilege of paying Jimmy $47 million a year (or whatever it works out to) at the age of 34. In addition to his current hold out, he has the Thibs' pedigree, which means he's been played into the ground like Derrick Rose, Joakim Noah and Luol Deng. Guys who started for Thibs don't exactly have a good track record of holding up well past their late 20s.

BNM
 
Paul Allen would have paid the Jimmy freight if he thought it would make us legitimate contenders. Without Uncle Paul to take care of us, I estimate there is a zero percent chance current ownership bankrolls a Jimmy Butler max contract on top of our existing contracts.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Isnt december 15th like a month and a half away? Sorry Not trying to be ‘that’ guy, just confused by this statement.

I think actually think thibs plan is to play the season with Butler. I think Thibs doesnt really care he either gets fired and gets a big pay day or he gets to stay and collect checks and its clear he’s in control not Taylor.
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Yes, December 15th is a month and a half away. At that time, there will be more possible trade options. I'm not sure what confused you about that.

You really think MIN is perfectly fine letting Jimmy be a distraction, whether he plays or not? What possible reason is there for MIN to keep Butler all season? They weren't exactly winning with him and now he's taken his ball and gone home (but still expects to be paid). Do they really want to throw an entire season away, only to lose him for nothing next summer? Even if those four HOU first round picks all end up being in the late 20s, they are better than letting him walk next summer and getting nothing in return.

Technically, Thibs isn't the GM, Scott Layden is. Thibs may be willing to get fired, I wonder if Layden is willing to take a bullet for him. At some point, Glen Taylor will get pissed and circumvent Thibs. He already threatened to do so once. I can't imagine he's happy with how this is paying out.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
That's the problem. It doesn't seem like there are a lot of takers for the privilege of paying Jimmy $47 million a year (or whatever it works out to) at the age of 34. In addition to his current hold out, he has the Thibs' pedigree, which means he's been played into the ground like Derrick Rose, Joakim Noah and Luol Deng. Guys who started for Thibs don't exactly have a good track record of holding up well past their late 20s.

BNM
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I definitely don’t want a Joakim Noah on our team.
 
Boob-No-More said:
Yes, December 15th is a month and a half away. At that time, there will be more possible trade options. I'm not sure what confused you about that.
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What confused him was the following text from your previous message (#1807):

"December 15th is when newly signed free agents can be traded, but that's still 6 months away"

A typo. I suspect you wanted to write 6 weeks.
 
andalusian said:
What confused him was the following text from your previous message (#1807):

"December 15th is when newly signed free agents can be traded, but that's still 6 months away"

A typo. I suspect you wanted to write 6 weeks.
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Oops. I need a better editor for my posts!

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
Yes, December 15th is a month and a half away. At that time, there will be more possible trade options. I'm not sure what confused you about that.

You really think MIN is perfectly fine letting Jimmy be a distraction, whether he plays or not? What possible reason is there for MIN to keep Butler all season? They weren't exactly winning with him and now he's taken his ball and gone home (but still expects to be paid). Do they really want to throw an entire season away, only to lose him for nothing next summer? Even if those four HOU first round picks all end up being in the late 20s, they are better than letting him walk next summer and getting nothing in return.

Technically, Thibs isn't the GM, Scott Layden is. Thibs may be willing to get fired, I wonder if Layden is willing to take a bullet for him. At some point, Glen Taylor will get pissed and circumvent Thibs. He already threatened to do so once. I can't imagine he's happy with how this is paying out.

BNM
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Is MIN fine with it? No. Does Glen Taylor want to whip out the check book and fire Thibs also no. Does Thibs seem to be doing whatever he wants? Yup. Thibs and Butler even planned a lets come try to humiliate our two young guys, and air it with Nichols on espn, and Taylors done nothing but try to talk big a few times.

This is atrocious leadership from the owner down.
 
Boob-No-More said:
Yes, December 15th is a month and a half away. At that time, there will be more possible trade options. I'm not sure what confused you about that.

You really think MIN is perfectly fine letting Jimmy be a distraction, whether he plays or not? What possible reason is there for MIN to keep Butler all season? They weren't exactly winning with him and now he's taken his ball and gone home (but still expects to be paid). Do they really want to throw an entire season away, only to lose him for nothing next summer? Even if those four HOU first round picks all end up being in the late 20s, they are better than letting him walk next summer and getting nothing in return.

Technically, Thibs isn't the GM, Scott Layden is. Thibs may be willing to get fired, I wonder if Layden is willing to take a bullet for him. At some point, Glen Taylor will get pissed and circumvent Thibs. He already threatened to do so once. I can't imagine he's happy with how this is paying out.

BNM
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Interesting typo/Freudian slip ...
 
Trading for Butler would be a gamble. No doubt about it. But it’s the kind of move this team needs to make if they hope to win a championship while Dame is here. With that said, I think Paul’s death could put the kibosh on any moves until the team sells.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Am I the only one who doesn't want him now but wanted him before?
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Nope. I see it as a lose/lose situation - that contract he's going to demand is not something I want to be part of.
 
dviss1 said:
Sigh... That's the point. Everyone is low balling.

His value is getting lower by the day.
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Yeah mid season trades are not the time to get a star in return. But if Houston continues to suck, I bet they ante up.
 
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