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I transcribed this shit...

Hasn’t spoken to Dame since the trade request.

“That is obviously a place that he wants to be and that makes sense for him as far as the rest of the makeup as a team and all that. As a team you always hope that you have more options, and to have limited options like that, I wouldn’t call it frustrating, but it prevents you from seeking out the best return… so it’s something we will have to work through.”

What changed about building around Dame?

“Building around Dame has always been the goal, all the way even through the draft. The difficult things that we ran into were finding the right deals. In the previous two years we drafted at 7 and we drafted at 3. In the meantime we were scouring the market looking for more win-now players. What kept happening was those players just weren’t available. So each time we tried to weigh that, so in Shaedon’s draft, pick 7 what does that look like versus what is available on the market and the answer was obvious… Shaedon is better. And the same thing happened this time. What does pick 3 look like versus the return on the market, and it wasn’t close. Had to go 3. So it wasn’t necessarily intentional, it was just doing what’s best for this team and we kept doing that and I could see why Dame would look at it and say well this isn’t a win-now opportunity, or at least as much of a win-now opportunity as some other places. So from that regard I understand his position and I respect it, and it makes sense to me why he would look to go elsewhere.”

What’s your goal right now?

“In any deal the goal is to come out with the best outcome. So for us that can be many different things. It could be more of a win-now player and that would be intriguing to us, it could be a young player and picks and that would be intriguing, it could be just picks and we would look at that as well. For us it’s how can we maximize this return. And I don’t think we have any set parameters it’s we would evaluate each deal case by case and choose the best one.”

If it’s to get a win-now player, is there a better win-now player out there than Damian Lillard?

“There is not.”

What happened with free agency?

“Well free agency, the top priority was to retain Jerami Grant and we did, and then the goal was to retain Matisse Thybulle as well. Meanwhile there was a lot of different trade scenarios we were working and other free agents we were talking to. Our goal wasn’t to be super active directly in free agency. It wasn’t a market that we wanted to get heavy into. There were some players, and still are, that may make sense. But for us, the goal to improve has always been via trade and it’s continuing to work those deals.”

Does it make logical sense to want to trade Dame with Shaedon and Scoot?

“I think one thing I’ll say about Shaedon, Scoot, and Anfernee, I think they’re going to be win-now very soon. I think we saw that with Scoot the other night. He’s not your normal 19 year old. Those guys are going to impact winning very soon in this league, and I think Anfernee is the same way, where Anfernee has shown that he can be a high end, high usage, efficient scorer in this league and is ready to impact winning and get us to new levels. So I think for us it’s continuing to build, we really like our talent base with or without Dame, and how do we keep supplementing these guys and put the best talent around them.”

Isn’t it best to just trade Dame anyway?

“To this persons point, how do you replace Damian Lillard? Who is the person on the market place that is available that is a better player than Dame? No team more than us knows what this market looks like. We have been trying for 18 months to find the Dame equivalent at another position, or someone that is 80% of Dame even. That is the challenge and that is where we have to keep working it.”

How do you balance doing right by Dame versus the best interest of the Trail Blazers?

“Dame is obviously a very important person and player to us, that what the rest of his career looks like matters to us and we care about that. At the same time we have to do what’s best for us. We’ve got to find the right deal and find the right makeup of the team that we’re going to build forward with. So you hope that you can find that perfect situation where that lines up and he goes to a place that he wants to and you get the best return possible. It’s complicated and it usually doesn’t work out just like that, but my history has shown that I’ve done this with CJ McCollum and Josh Hart where we worked together to find them good landing spots and getting a fair return for the Trail Blazers. So it’s possible but there’s a lot of work involved and often it involves more than just one destination.”

(Can’t hear the question)

“It can complicate it because it’s louder than your normal situation, especially ones that we’ve dealt with recently. At the same time, you just try to keep perspective and understand that let’s focus on what matters here. Whether there’s all this external noise, the fact remains that we want to do what’s best for team and he wants to get to a spot that makes the most sense for him. So trying to keep our eye on the ball as much as we can and avoid as many distractions and curve balls as possible.”

Do you have hope that this can be salvaged?

“I haven’t lost hope just because I understand that this league is complicated, and things change very quickly. Sometimes it’s that we gain more information, sometimes things aren’t what we thought they were, and it’s just something that in this league we constantly have to stay nimble and adjust to changing circumstances and I view it like that. I don’t know what the future holds, I don’t know will end up happening here, just knowing that I won’t be surprised if something different happens than what we were originally expecting.”

Were you surprised by the trade request?

“I wouldn’t say surprised. Dame has been great about communicating with us throughout his career. Over the last three months since the season ended we have had numerous, numerous meetings with Dame where we understood his perspective and what his concerns were. So when those concerns weren’t addressed by July 1st, I understood why he went in that direction. It made sense to me. It didn’t surprise me, I wouldn’t say. Any time a player that you care about that much brings that news to you, it does jolt you. So when you finally hear the truth, or you finally face that reality, it was jolting. But I wouldn’t say surprising because I knew that he had concerns about the direction we were headed.”

Was there a pathway that could have got you there?

“There was so many deals that we were constantly talking through with teams and so many that you think that are right there and then you lose it, or it resurfaces. So I don’t know if we had anything teed up incredibly where we thought it was a 90% chance of happening, but there was a dozen deals that made sense for us that had a pretty good chance of happening. So I would have liked to have seen how that would have played out, but I understand by July 1st if you don’t have it, you may not have it two weeks later either.”

A lot of the same issues with size and depth.

“What I have really done for the most part since the trade request is to press pause as far as transacting because I wanted to keep some flexibility with the back of our roster. We have some roster spots right now, certain deals that we could be doing would be 3 for 1 kind of things where we’re going to need some roster spots. But with that you see guys going off the board, so we try to keep as much warm as we can with the free agents that we’re talking to but they can only wait so long. So those are the ripple effects of something like this that does just kinda make you press pause. And we’re not alone in that, there’s other teams that I think are doing the same thing, where it’s okay let’s maintain flexibility here because there could be some fairly big player movement happening.”

There has been a lot of these trad requests happening recently. What lessons have you taken?

“I think what I have learned more than anything is that patience is critical. Don’t be reactive, don’t jump at things to seemingly solve a problem. I think the teams that have ended up in the most positive situation post trade have been the ones who have been really diligent, and taken their time, and not been impulsive or the teams that really kept their urgency under control. So I think that’s how my approach has been with this and will be with this. We are going to be patient, we’re going to do what’s best for our team and we’re going to see how this lands. And if it takes months, it takes months.”

Do you feel like you did everything that you possibly could to build around Dame?

“I don’t feel that I did everything because I wasn’t able to get done what we had hoped to get done. The effort being there, which it was, that’s one thing. But actually following through and getting the result is a whole nother. So to that extent I do feel like I failed Dame. Where our goal was always to build around him, and to be as high level as possible as quickly as possible. And whether even internally if we thought that well, hey we’re going in the right direction here, we can get there pretty quickly… if he didn’t feel that it was still a failure on my end. And just not finding that right deal.”

Yeesh, and I thought your verbosity was limited to your own thoughts.

JK, this is great, Nate, thanks for compiling it.
 
He also tried to take the blame off of Dame a few times. It was really impressive because he came off as both up to the job in front of him and compassionate.

Taking responsibility is a good move; it's a zero-cost move on his part (because the situation cannot be changed) and means that if Dame or his agent are still shitty after this they look that much worse.
 
Ed, regarding free agency, I think the minute Dame asked for a trade, our free agency was doomed. How can we make any kind of long-term investment? (other than Grant, which I am convinced was agreed upon before we traded for him). Thybulle was an easy call. Not much money (and money we were going to have to spend anyway due to the CBA) and no more than a three-year deal with a desperately needed skill set.

I'm giving Cronin a pass on this year's free agency. It's a time to keep your powder dry, see what you get back for Dame, see what you can send out (Nurk, Grant, Ant, etc.), and take a look at the trade deadline or after the season to see where we stand.

The 2023-24 Blazers are going to be about imagining the future rather than building a competitive team.
I agree that this is not a normal free agency period for the Blazers, but signing two guys to big deals is not a smart reaction. We will be (in my opinion) saddled with guys that are overpaid and counterproductive to our efforts at building. I have no confidence that Grant and Thybulle will (any more than Nurk) be an asset that will get us value, and I think them being on the roster just gums up the works on the court in the near term as well as being potential (likely) negatives from a contract perspective down the road.

By the way, if Cronin agreed with Grant before we traded for him... he should be fired. That's ridiculous.

I see Ant as a different deal because he's young and is still on the upswing. With Grant and Thybulle and Nurk, we know what we're getting and it's just not enough to motivate other teams to want them at the deals the Blazers signed them to IMO.
 
I agree with that, and I think Cronin is bothered that he's being limited. He's just too nice to show it.
It doesn't benefit Joe's situation in any way to show it, so he's being smart. Playing nice publically with the season approaching seems a subtle way of putting the screws to Dame's camp to be open to more options. Father Time is not on Dame Time's side. I very much doubt he wants to sit out this season and it may dawn on them that Portland isn't going to do a deal that lands them nothing in return just to appease him.

STOMP
 
This reminded me of Obi-Wan Kenobi speaking to Anakin just before cutting his arms and legs off.
 
I agree that this is not a normal free agency period for the Blazers, but signing two guys to big deals is not a smart reaction. We will be (in my opinion) saddled with guys that are overpaid and counterproductive to our efforts at building. I have no confidence that Grant and Thybulle will (any more than Nurk) be an asset that will get us value, and I think them being on the roster just gums up the works on the court in the near term as well as being potential (likely) negatives from a contract perspective down the road.

By the way, if Cronin agreed with Grant before we traded for him... he should be fired. That's ridiculous.

I see Ant as a different deal because he's young and is still on the upswing. With Grant and Thybulle and Nurk, we know what we're getting and it's just not enough to motivate other teams to want them at the deals the Blazers signed them to IMO.

I think the Blazers are going full speed ahead with building through the draft at least initially. It's a strength of our front office right now and going to be where our resources reside. We'll be able to shoulder a couple of bad contracts because we're going to have a lot of low-cost contributors developing, and, honestly, those bad contracts will serve as player-coaches if the Blazers are smart. I don't think having a team of all young guys usually works; you need a mentor or two practicing with the young guys.
 
By the way, if Cronin agreed with Grant before we traded for him... he should be fired. That's ridiculous.
that Dame went public with his I'm outta here the day after the Grant deal was signed seems too coincidental. He and Jeremi were photographed hanging out together in France the week prior. It sure seemed a choreographed way of securing the max bag for JG and Lillard exiting stage left. I agree that without Lillard, why in the hell would they want to reup with Grant?

STOMP
 
"But for us, the goal to improve has always been via trade and it’s continuing to work those deals.” That was part of his answer in response to what he was doing in free agency. Does that sound like he is planning more trades once the Lillard trade is completed?
 
that Dame went public with his I'm outta here the day after the Grant deal was signed seems too coincidental. He and Jeremi were photographed hanging out together in France the week prior. It sure seemed a choreographed way of securing the max bag for JG and Lillard exiting stage left. I agree that without Lillard, why in the hell would they want to reup with Grant?

STOMP

I think Grant and Ben Simmons could be the best pair of forwards we have had in a while. I would have preferred it with Dame, but Scoot, Ant, and Shae still can fit with those two in another year. I would not mind Bey starting next to Grant as he is a decent rebounder for an SF. The bottom line is Grant can still work here if they pair him with a rebounding forward and center.
 
Dame is my second favorite Blazer ever behind Sheed, that being said if you’re sitting here defending Dame and shitting on Cronin and the organization then you’re more of a Dame fan than a Blazers fan. If you can honestly sit here and say Lillard is handling all this better than Cronin I think you might be delusional or still deeply hurt by the fact Lillard is gone. If it makes you feel better almost every great player has changed teams at some point(minus Bird/Magic) and just because one is leaving doesn’t mean more aren’t to come. If you think the Blazers deserve to get a shit deal or hope they get screwed somehow you are not a Blazers fan and should be posting on the Damien Lillard board.
 
I think Grant and Ben Simmons could be the best pair of forwards we have had in a while. I would have preferred it with Dame, but Scoot, Ant, and Shae still can fit with those two in another year. I would not mind Bey starting next to Grant as he is a decent rebounder for an SF. The bottom line is Grant can still work here if they pair him with a rebounding forward and center.
What do you make of the report that Simmons has yet to progress to 3v3?
 
I think Grant and Ben Simmons could be the best pair of forwards we have had in a while. I would have preferred it with Dame, but Scoot, Ant, and Shae still can fit with those two in another year. I would not mind Bey starting next to Grant as he is a decent rebounder for an SF. The bottom line is Grant can still work here if they pair him with a rebounding forward and center.
Grant and anyone is the best pair of forwards they've had in a while, but he's not going to be part of a winner in PDX for at least a couple seasons. By the time the other talents on the roster are developed and ready to win, he'll be well on the wrong side of 30. I'm guessing they'll deal him next offseason for assets that fit their timeline before he fades or just for expirings to clear their books for Free Agents who will come if (A) Scoot & Shaedon are showing real promise to compete & (B) if they have capspace cleared.

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It seems pretty easy, to me, to get the salaries to match. Will Miami be up against or above the 2nd apron? Most likely. But they just might any ways. Herro, Jovic, Jaquez, Lowry going out is almost exactly the same match as Lillard and Nurk coming in. Send Herro to Brooklyn for Simmons. Simmons, Lowry, Jovic, Jaquez here. Some flexibility then with us able to take on Caleb Martin in to the TPE, to give them extra space under the apron to go out and sign some vet min guys.

I know it seems easy, but I question if you're doing the critical math

The Blazers are only 1.7M under the tax line, right now. In that trade, the Blazers would be sending out 62.5M; they'd be taking back 73.4M, not counting Martin. Counting Martin, the Blazers would be taking back 80.2M. Portland would either be 9.2M over the tax line and 2.4M over the 1st apron; or with Martin they'd be about 1-2M below the 2nd apron

the problem is Lowry, as I've been saying. Simmons + Lowry is 5M more salary than Dame + Nurkic. Does anybody really believe the Vulcans would sign off on a team bound for the lottery that would be 9-18M over the tax line?

But in order to take back Nurkic Miami has to send out Lowry. Where to if not Portland?

Brooklyn is 15.5M below the tax line. They'd be 27M below the line if they exchanged Simmons for Herro. The solution may be to send Dorian Finney-Smith to the Blazers. He's not a good player; certainly not worth his 14M/year deal for the next 3 seasons. I guess he could be a tradable salary, but would he have any positive value? In any event, he might be able to keep Portland under the tax line and Brooklyn might like to get out of his contract

it might be easier to delete Lowry and Nurkic from the mix. Or maybe, no Simmons to Portland but instead DFS & Royce O'neal
 
1. There is no way to tell if this was the right decision or not. For all we know we could’ve traded both picks and had a 1 or 2 year, legitimate, but short, championship window.

2. Also we have no idea if these are the right picks at the moment. You’re 100% sure no one drafted after Sharpe will be better than him? 100% sure no one drafted after Scoot will be better than him? In a vacuum he and the team made the “chalkboard” choices. We don’t know if those are the right choices.
 
Just sayin... He might not be ready to play this season. I was talking myself into Ben until I saw that report

Hard to say. A lot of mixed messages. They might just be overly cautious. It is July and these images are from over a month ago.
https://www.netsdaily.com/2023/5/31...s-as-enthusiasm-in-australia-remains-unabated

“He’s not doing 3-on-3 or 5-on-5 yet.” said Marks. “I was down there two weeks ago with him and the training staff and saw the progress. Happy to report he’s in a great physical shape and also mentally. He’s rearing and champing at the bit to get out there,”

“We’ve got time,” he added. “This is not something where we’re going to rush him back in to play 5-on-5 in the next couple weeks. But he’s progressing — he’ll be ready to go hopefully very, very soon.”

The Nets original plan for Simmons rehab, — and there’s no indication that it’s changed — had Simmons ready to go by September 1. Indeed, Vaughn speaking to NBA TV on Friday said Simmons had had “no setbacks.” So how good could he be?
 
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I know it seems easy, but I question if you're doing the critical math

The Blazers are only 1.7M under the tax line, right now. In that trade, the Blazers would be sending out 62.5M; they'd be taking back 73.4M, not counting Martin. Counting Martin, the Blazers would be taking back 80.2M. Portland would either be 9.2M over the tax line and 2.4M over the 1st apron; or with Martin they'd be about 1-2M below the 2nd apron

the problem is Lowry, as I've been saying. Simmons + Lowry is 5M more salary than Dame + Nurkic. Does anybody really believe the Vulcans would sign off on a team bound for the lottery that would be 9-18M over the tax line?

But in order to take back Nurkic Miami has to send out Lowry. Where to if not Portland?

Brooklyn is 15.5M below the tax line. They'd be 27M below the line if they exchanged Simmons for Herro. The solution may be to send Dorian Finney-Smith to the Blazers. He's not a good player; certainly not worth his 14M/year deal for the next 3 seasons. I guess he could be a tradable salary, but would he have any positive value? In any event, he might be able to keep Portland under the tax line and Brooklyn might like to get out of his contract

it might be easier to delete Lowry and Nurkic from the mix. Or maybe, no Simmons to Portland but instead DFS & Royce O'neal
Send Lowry to Brooklyn, send Dinwiddie here. Then, obviously, look to immediately move Dinwiddie. I think it probably turns in to a 4 team deal to be able to massage the$$ aspect a litt.e
 
Send Lowry to Brooklyn, send Dinwiddie here. Then, obviously, look to immediately move Dinwiddie. I think it probably turns in to a 4 team deal to be able to massage the$$ aspect a litt.e

I agree there are ways here to massage the trade. the trick is bringing teams in that won't want to immediately rob value that Portland needs
 
I transcribed this shit...

Hasn’t spoken to Dame since the trade request.

“That is obviously a place that he wants to be and that makes sense for him as far as the rest of the makeup as a team and all that. As a team you always hope that you have more options, and to have limited options like that, I wouldn’t call it frustrating, but it prevents you from seeking out the best return… so it’s something we will have to work through.”

What changed about building around Dame?

“Building around Dame has always been the goal, all the way even through the draft. The difficult things that we ran into were finding the right deals. In the previous two years we drafted at 7 and we drafted at 3. In the meantime we were scouring the market looking for more win-now players. What kept happening was those players just weren’t available. So each time we tried to weigh that, so in Shaedon’s draft, pick 7 what does that look like versus what is available on the market and the answer was obvious… Shaedon is better. And the same thing happened this time. What does pick 3 look like versus the return on the market, and it wasn’t close. Had to go 3. So it wasn’t necessarily intentional, it was just doing what’s best for this team and we kept doing that and I could see why Dame would look at it and say well this isn’t a win-now opportunity, or at least as much of a win-now opportunity as some other places. So from that regard I understand his position and I respect it, and it makes sense to me why he would look to go elsewhere.”

What’s your goal right now?

“In any deal the goal is to come out with the best outcome. So for us that can be many different things. It could be more of a win-now player and that would be intriguing to us, it could be a young player and picks and that would be intriguing, it could be just picks and we would look at that as well. For us it’s how can we maximize this return. And I don’t think we have any set parameters it’s we would evaluate each deal case by case and choose the best one.”

If it’s to get a win-now player, is there a better win-now player out there than Damian Lillard?

“There is not.”

What happened with free agency?

“Well free agency, the top priority was to retain Jerami Grant and we did, and then the goal was to retain Matisse Thybulle as well. Meanwhile there was a lot of different trade scenarios we were working and other free agents we were talking to. Our goal wasn’t to be super active directly in free agency. It wasn’t a market that we wanted to get heavy into. There were some players, and still are, that may make sense. But for us, the goal to improve has always been via trade and it’s continuing to work those deals.”

Does it make logical sense to want to trade Dame with Shaedon and Scoot?

“I think one thing I’ll say about Shaedon, Scoot, and Anfernee, I think they’re going to be win-now very soon. I think we saw that with Scoot the other night. He’s not your normal 19 year old. Those guys are going to impact winning very soon in this league, and I think Anfernee is the same way, where Anfernee has shown that he can be a high end, high usage, efficient scorer in this league and is ready to impact winning and get us to new levels. So I think for us it’s continuing to build, we really like our talent base with or without Dame, and how do we keep supplementing these guys and put the best talent around them.”

Isn’t it best to just trade Dame anyway?

“To this persons point, how do you replace Damian Lillard? Who is the person on the market place that is available that is a better player than Dame? No team more than us knows what this market looks like. We have been trying for 18 months to find the Dame equivalent at another position, or someone that is 80% of Dame even. That is the challenge and that is where we have to keep working it.”

How do you balance doing right by Dame versus the best interest of the Trail Blazers?

“Dame is obviously a very important person and player to us, that what the rest of his career looks like matters to us and we care about that. At the same time we have to do what’s best for us. We’ve got to find the right deal and find the right makeup of the team that we’re going to build forward with. So you hope that you can find that perfect situation where that lines up and he goes to a place that he wants to and you get the best return possible. It’s complicated and it usually doesn’t work out just like that, but my history has shown that I’ve done this with CJ McCollum and Josh Hart where we worked together to find them good landing spots and getting a fair return for the Trail Blazers. So it’s possible but there’s a lot of work involved and often it involves more than just one destination.”

(Can’t hear the question)

“It can complicate it because it’s louder than your normal situation, especially ones that we’ve dealt with recently. At the same time, you just try to keep perspective and understand that let’s focus on what matters here. Whether there’s all this external noise, the fact remains that we want to do what’s best for team and he wants to get to a spot that makes the most sense for him. So trying to keep our eye on the ball as much as we can and avoid as many distractions and curve balls as possible.”

Do you have hope that this can be salvaged?

“I haven’t lost hope just because I understand that this league is complicated, and things change very quickly. Sometimes it’s that we gain more information, sometimes things aren’t what we thought they were, and it’s just something that in this league we constantly have to stay nimble and adjust to changing circumstances and I view it like that. I don’t know what the future holds, I don’t know will end up happening here, just knowing that I won’t be surprised if something different happens than what we were originally expecting.”

Were you surprised by the trade request?

“I wouldn’t say surprised. Dame has been great about communicating with us throughout his career. Over the last three months since the season ended we have had numerous, numerous meetings with Dame where we understood his perspective and what his concerns were. So when those concerns weren’t addressed by July 1st, I understood why he went in that direction. It made sense to me. It didn’t surprise me, I wouldn’t say. Any time a player that you care about that much brings that news to you, it does jolt you. So when you finally hear the truth, or you finally face that reality, it was jolting. But I wouldn’t say surprising because I knew that he had concerns about the direction we were headed.”

Was there a pathway that could have got you there?

“There was so many deals that we were constantly talking through with teams and so many that you think that are right there and then you lose it, or it resurfaces. So I don’t know if we had anything teed up incredibly where we thought it was a 90% chance of happening, but there was a dozen deals that made sense for us that had a pretty good chance of happening. So I would have liked to have seen how that would have played out, but I understand by July 1st if you don’t have it, you may not have it two weeks later either.”

A lot of the same issues with size and depth.

“What I have really done for the most part since the trade request is to press pause as far as transacting because I wanted to keep some flexibility with the back of our roster. We have some roster spots right now, certain deals that we could be doing would be 3 for 1 kind of things where we’re going to need some roster spots. But with that you see guys going off the board, so we try to keep as much warm as we can with the free agents that we’re talking to but they can only wait so long. So those are the ripple effects of something like this that does just kinda make you press pause. And we’re not alone in that, there’s other teams that I think are doing the same thing, where it’s okay let’s maintain flexibility here because there could be some fairly big player movement happening.”

There has been a lot of these trad requests happening recently. What lessons have you taken?

“I think what I have learned more than anything is that patience is critical. Don’t be reactive, don’t jump at things to seemingly solve a problem. I think the teams that have ended up in the most positive situation post trade have been the ones who have been really diligent, and taken their time, and not been impulsive or the teams that really kept their urgency under control. So I think that’s how my approach has been with this and will be with this. We are going to be patient, we’re going to do what’s best for our team and we’re going to see how this lands. And if it takes months, it takes months.”

Do you feel like you did everything that you possibly could to build around Dame?

“I don’t feel that I did everything because I wasn’t able to get done what we had hoped to get done. The effort being there, which it was, that’s one thing. But actually following through and getting the result is a whole nother. So to that extent I do feel like I failed Dame. Where our goal was always to build around him, and to be as high level as possible as quickly as possible. And whether even internally if we thought that well, hey we’re going in the right direction here, we can get there pretty quickly… if he didn’t feel that it was still a failure on my end. And just not finding that right deal.”

You sir, are a grade a, top notch, pimp!
I missed it, so this is simply fantastic. Thank you Nate!
 

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