Joel Przybilla: one of the best two point shooters in the league

[bintim]

Joel does not suck!!!!!!!!.......... He's a good midwest boy yust like me.
A good role player is money in the bank. He is a good citizen and a positive role model.

 

[dpc]

Joel is awesome, and to me one of the core elements of the team. Not only is a good player that knows his limitations, but he is a good guy off the court. I don't see anyone much better that could come and back up Oden.

 

[MrJayremmie]

Oden is my man but I really need help understanding why he looks so awkward and uncomfortable down on the block soo much... Why he gets blocks and turns it over a lot like Joel... why it takes him soo extremely long to gather himself and why he keeps showing the ball and gets it taken away.

I don't get it, does it have something to do with his IQ or is it just inexperience?

I'm not neccesarily disappointed in Greg, but I get frustrated watching him because I feel he could be sooo much better than he is. Sometimes I just feel it hurts the team. When we get him the ball in the post, i feel there is almost a 50/50 chance that we don't even end up with a shot going up that possession.

I didn't think this in the beginning of the year, but I feel he can be much more than just open dunks and offensive rebounds on the off. end... I think he is actually a player we can run our offense through in the post, but right now I feel that doing that really hurts LMA and Rudy and doesn't get them involved as much as we need them to be.

I've been specially disappointed in how Rudy hasn't really been involved in our offense as much as he should be.

 

[Jurassic]

It turned personal once you posted that Joel "sucks". Easy to say behind a mask of anonymity, eh "Jurassic"?

You suck. See, that's easy.

LOL, Are you kidding me? You think I'm critisizing an NBA player because I'm annonymous on the internet? This is a message board, players and teams are going to get critisized, my identity being unknown has nothing to do with it.

I think it's hilarious that you put my name in quotation marks....lol. 99.9% of the people on this site use a screen name or alias rather that their real name, "PapaG". Or are you really Joel in disguise?

 

[dpc]

Oden is my man but I really need help understanding why he looks so awkward and uncomfortable down on the block soo much... Why he gets blocks and turns it over a lot like Joel... why it takes him soo extremely long to gather himself and why he keeps showing the ball and gets it taken away.

I don't get it, does it have something to do with his IQ or is it just inexperience?

I'm not neccesarily disappointed in Greg, but I get frustrated watching him because I feel he could be sooo much better than he is. Sometimes I just feel it hurts the team. When we get him the ball in the post, i feel there is almost a 50/50 chance that we don't even end up with a shot going up that possession.

I didn't think this in the beginning of the year, but I feel he can be much more than just open dunks and offensive rebounds on the off. end... I think he is actually a player we can run our offense through in the post, but right now I feel that doing that really hurts LMA and Rudy and doesn't get them involved as much as we need them to be.

I've been specially disappointed in how Rudy hasn't really been involved in our offense as much as he should be.

I get what you mean. I see him get the ball in the low post, and I get excited, but at the same time I get nervous. It seems like half the time he gets it he turns and loses his balance, so his feet are like spread out 5 feet, and then a double team comes and he gets stripped or a pass gets deflected. Hopefully he is just trying to do too much and once he calms down he will be better on his feet.

 

[Jurassic]

So??????? Name one other player in the entire history of the NBA that has shot 83% from the field.

1. Joel has shot 83% through 14 games, you cannot compare him to Wilt. Especially when there is a lot of basketball left to be played this season. In fact If he was to go down today he would not be listed as someone who shot 83% on the season because he has not played enough games for it to count yet.

2. Joel only plays about 24mpg.

3. Joel does not score nearly as much as Wilt did, he is currently averaging about 6ppg.

This man is in no way deserving of Wilt comparisons.

What he's doing is getting to the right place at the right time and converting those opportunities at a historically unprecedented rate.

Is he really? Is it hard for a center to know that they belong in or near the paint? Is it hard for a center to know that when a guard penetrates it is his job to be near the hoop so he can receive the pass or collect the rebound? Absolutley not, I play pick up ball with guys who have that knowledge. Joel is not doing anything extraordinary, only what he is supposed to do.

 

[PapaG]

LOL, Are you kidding me? You think I'm critisizing an NBA player because I'm annonymous on the internet? This is a message board, players and teams are going to get critisized, my identity being unknown has nothing to do with it.

I think it's hilarious that you put my name in quotation marks....lol. 99.9% of the people on this site use a screen name or alias rather that their real name, "PapaG". Or are you really Joel in disguise?

Correct. Which is why you shouldn't feel bad when I say "Jurassic" sucks. Especially after your ridiculous take on Przy in this thread.

 

[Boob-No-More]

1. Joel has shot 83% through 14 games, you cannot compare him to Wilt. Especially when there is a lot of basketball left to be played this season. In fact If he was to go down today he would not be listed as someone who shot 83% on the season because he has not played enough games for it to count yet.

2. Joel only plays about 24mpg.

3. Joel does not score nearly as much as Wilt did, he is currently averaging about 6ppg.

This man is in no way deserving of Wilt comparisons.



Is he really? Is it hard for a center to know that they belong in or near the paint? Is it hard for a center to know that when a guard penetrates it is his job to be near the hoop so he can receive the pass or collect the rebound? Absolutley not, I play pick up ball with guys who have that knowledge. Joel is not doing anything extraordinary, only what he is supposed to do.

I did not say Joel = Wilt. I'm old enough to remember watching Wilt play. There has never been anyone else like him.

There's a lot of room between being Wilt and sucking. Since when does doing what you're supposed to do, and doing it very efficiently, mean you suck? Yes, it's only been 14 games, but if what Joel is doing is so easy, why isn't every center in the league shooting 80% from the field, or even 60%? Why is Andrew Bynum shooting less than 50%? I guess, by your definition, every center in the league sucks.

For a guy who has so much knowledge, your comment that Joel sucks seems very uninformed. He's always been among the league leaders in rebound rate and a good interior defender. And now he's scoring at an extremely efficient rate and doing "what he is supposed to do". In exactly what way does he suck?

BNM

 

[Jurassic]

There's a lot of room between being Wilt and sucking. Since when does doing what you're supposed to do, and doing it very efficiently, mean you suck?

First of all I am a Blazer fan, just in case you guys hadn't figured that out.

Second, why does anyone deserve credit for doing what they are supposed to do? Wally Sczerbiack hits open shots, but nobody is on his nuts like you guys are on Joel's. It's not a big deal when a player gets a hot start, espcially when he is just the beneficiary of assists from a bunch of other people and teams ignore him.

Yes, it's only been 14 games, but if what Joel is doing is so easy, why isn't every center in the league shooting 80% from the field, or even 60%? Why is Andrew Bynum shooting less than 50%? I guess, by your definition, every center in the league sucks.

You're right, compare him to a young player who is back from an injury for and getting used to playing with Gasol, that makes sense. Bynum's game is not polished, and besides, Bynum is creating his own shot a lot more than Joel, that is a horrible comparison.

Why isn't every center in the league shooting 80%? I'll tell you why.

1. None of them are playing with Roy, Rudy, Outlaw, and Blake who has been hot as of late.

2. A lot of other centers in the league are averaging a LOT more than 6ppg. If Yao Ming averaged 80% shooting and still averaged as many points as he does, he would win the MVP.

3. Joel has always underacheived on the offensive end, teams have no need to pay attention to him yet, he is just now making a name for himself.

It's kind of like how great the Hornets were last season, it's because they snuck up on people. This year teams know how good they are and the honeymoon is over. That's what Joel is going through.

 

[Pontius]

You give me a headache Jurassic. Your logic in this matter leaves a lot to be desired.

 

[Jurassic]

You give me a headache Jurassic. Your logic in this matter leaves a lot to be desired.

You're right, it makes a whole lot more sense to compare Joel to Andrew Bynum, and jump up and down over the first 14 games of an 82 game season than it does for me to critcize him.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

The bottom line is Joel is playing his best basketball of his career. In fact I'd make the argument that as of today, he's among the top 10 centers in the league. Sure, it's early and sure things will change. But, consider that Joel has done what he's done against the top centers in the league. Think about that a give him his f'n due.

 

[Jurassic]

if what Joel is doing is so easy, why isn't every center in the league shooting 80% from the field, or even 60%?

I meant to correct you on this earlier. Here are a few big men who ARE shooting 60%

1. Adonal Foyal - 4ppg 66% fg

2. Erick Dampier - 5.2ppg 64% fg

3. Donyell Marshall 5.7 ppg 60% fg (he's a PF though)

4. Chris Mihm - 2.8 ppg 60% fg

I could also put Mikki Moore and Leon Powe on this list.

So obviously the company that Joel is keeping is not that great. FG% is overrated when it is only because teams don't bother to guard these guys or in Mihm's case his points come in garbage time because the Lakers are blowing teams out every night.

 

[PapaG]

I meant to correct you on this earlier. Here are a few big men who ARE shooting 60%

1. Adonal Foyal - 4ppg 66% fg

2. Erick Dampier - 5.2ppg 64% fg

3. Donyell Marshall 5.7 ppg 60% fg (he's a PF though)

4. Chris Mihm - 2.8 ppg 60% fg

I could also put Mikki Moore and Leon Powe on this list.

So obviously the company that Joel is keeping is not that great. FG% is overrated when it is only because teams don't bother to guard these guys or in Mihm's case his points come in garbage time because the Lakers are blowing teams out every night.

Przy is at least 17% higher than everyone on your list and he averages more rebounds/per than all of those listed.

He sucks!

 

[Masbee]

I meant to correct you on this earlier. Here are a few big men who ARE shooting 60%

1. Adonal Foyal - 4ppg 66% fg

2. Erick Dampier - 5.2ppg 64% fg

3. Donyell Marshall 5.7 ppg 60% fg (he's a PF though)

4. Chris Mihm - 2.8 ppg 60% fg

I could also put Mikki Moore and Leon Powe on this list.

So obviously the company that Joel is keeping is not that great. FG% is overrated when it is only because teams don't bother to guard these guys or in Mihm's case his points come in garbage time because the Lakers are blowing teams out every night.

Come on!

Mihm doesn't qualify with too few shots.

Foyle doesn't qualify with too few minutes. He has only played 13 minutes. Sheesh.

Marshall is not a Center.

Dampier. Has scored 5.25% of Dallas' points so far this season. Defensive Rebounding 22%. Not rebounding nearly as dominantly as Joel (or Oden who matches Joel's high Defensive Rebounding % number). And Dampier is what he is, and that kind of Center play has him earning $12 million this season.

Joel has scored 6.3% of Portland's points so far this season.

 

[drexlersdad]

pryz is currently the 11th ranked center in PER, Oden 6th, bynum 8th, sheed 12th, kaman 13th, miller 21st, dampier 23rd, okur 25th. Pryz is getting less blocks this year, but he is playing great man defense, and altering ALOT of shots, things that PER doesnt recognize.

he is actually #51 in the entire league, ahead of derrik rose, tayshaun prince, AI, david west, gerald wallace, steve nash etc, etc.

 

[handiman]

Maybe this has already been mentioned and I missed it amongst all the bickering... What impresses me most about Pryz this season is not the [astounding] rate he's making shots, rather how well he's catching the ball. All his shots are clean looks as a result of not fumbling the entry passes and rebounds.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I meant to correct you on this earlier. Here are a few big men who ARE shooting 60%

1. Adonal Foyal - 4ppg 66% fg

2. Erick Dampier - 5.2ppg 64% fg

3. Donyell Marshall 5.7 ppg 60% fg (he's a PF though)

4. Chris Mihm - 2.8 ppg 60% fg

I could also put Mikki Moore and Leon Powe on this list.

So obviously the company that Joel is keeping is not that great. FG% is overrated when it is only because teams don't bother to guard these guys or in Mihm's case his points come in garbage time because the Lakers are blowing teams out every night.

You need to learn to read. I didn't say why isn't ANYONE else shooting about 60%, I said, if it's so easy why isn't EVERYONE else doing it. Do you see the difference?

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

Second, why does anyone deserve credit for doing what they are supposed to do?

Because he's doing it at a highly efficient rate. And since when does doing what you are supposed to do, and doing it very well == you suck?

Wally Sczerbiack hits open shots, but nobody is on his nuts like you guys are on Joel's. It's not a big deal when a player gets a hot start, espcially when he is just the beneficiary of assists from a bunch of other people and teams ignore him.

Not really. Wally's job is to hit the open 3 and spread the defense. He's currently shooting 0.294 from 3-point range. I guess that's why nobody's "on his nuts".

You're right, compare him to a young player who is back from an injury for and getting used to playing with Gasol, that makes sense. Bynum's game is not polished, and besides, Bynum is creating his own shot a lot more than Joel, that is a horrible comparison.

I compared him to another starting center in the same conference. How exactly is that a "horrible" comparison.

Why isn't every center in the league shooting 80%? I'll tell you why.

1. None of them are playing with Roy, Rudy, Outlaw, and Blake who has been hot as of late.

Please, Bynum plays with Kobe, Gasol, Odom, etc. - who made it to the NBA finals last season. I'd say it's pretty safe to say he has better players around him the Joel.

BNM

 

[Jurassic]

Because he's doing it at a highly efficient rate. And since when does doing what you are supposed to do, and doing it very well == you suck?

Since when does doing what you are supposed to do make someone deserving or credit. If you guys are giving Joel all these props I can only imagine the type of worship your garbageman gets.

I compared him to another starting center in the same conference. How exactly is that a "horrible" comparison.

Because Bynum was out most of last year with an injury. It doesn't make sense that people are making excuses (rightfully so) for Oden, but then comparing Joel to Bynum. Get it?

Please, Bynum plays with Kobe, Gasol, Odom, etc. - who made it to the NBA finals last season. I'd say it's pretty safe to say he has better players around him the Joel.

Yup, and it's a lot harder to get in the flow playing with those guys than it is with Roy (who is much more unselfish).


I also want to respond to whoever it was that said Joel is a top 10 center right now. I'm going to call your bluff, list your top 10 centers. Anyone who agrees that he is a top 10 center, list them, and lets talk about that.

 

[drexlersdad]

like i said before pryz is the 11th ranked center in per, and that is behind oden, and players who play pf like al jefferson.

51st in the nba.

 

[drexlersdad]

so top 11?

 

[Jurassic]

like i said before pryz is the 11th ranked center in per, and that is behind oden, and players who play pf like al jefferson.

That's Bullshit. You also said that Joel is ahead of Sheed, Okur, and others who are clearly better than him. So is PER really a stat you can use to determine who is a top player? No.

So is anybody going to list their top 10 centers and actually have Joel on that list?

 

[drexlersdad]

it really depends on what you want out of your center. you want 3 pointers? brad miller and okur are cool. you need rebounding and defense? pryzz is at the top of that list. it is subjective.

 

[bintim]

The bottom line is Joel is playing his best basketball of his career. In fact I'd make the argument that as of today, he's among the top 10 centers in the league. Sure, it's early and sure things will change. But, consider that Joel has done what he's done against the top centers in the league. Think about that a give him his f'n due.

It doesn't matter if he is top ten or bottom ten. He helped save our butts tonight. He is playing his best ball. I say we keep him until he wears out. He's a veteran and helps steady the team. Cut him some slack guys.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Since when does doing what you are supposed to do make someone deserving or credit.

Way to sidestep my question. You said Joel sucks. Even if you don't think he deserves credit for the way he's playing, you have yet to explain exactly how a guy, who has one of the top rebound rates in the league (again) is a solid interior defender and just happens to be shooting 83% from the field, sucks. He deserves credit for doing his job and doing it well. Since when does that == sucking?

If you guys are giving Joel all these props I can only imagine the type of worship your garbageman gets.

Nice attempted strawman. We're not talking about a garbage time player, we're talking about a guy who has started the majority of the games this year.

Joel's line tonight:

10 PT, 12 REB, 2 BLK, 2 STL, 5-6 FG, EFF = 24

Not bad for a guy who sucks.

BNM

 

[number 10]

Joel Przybilla is a mother fucking badass*. Period. Yet another ballsy performance.

One thing I'm curious about is why his shot blocking peaked a few seasons ago. Was it the "funnel" defense of Cheeks and the Blazer guards, or has his game changed?


*except against Shaq...oh well, I can forgive him for that.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

If Joel didn't jack up that full-court heave, he would have finished a perfect 5-5.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

So is anybody going to list their top 10 centers and actually have Joel on that list?

The way he's playing, he's on my list. Who would you take ahead of him?

 

[Jurassic]

The way he's playing, he's on my list. Who would you take ahead of him?

I don't have the burden of proof here. If he's on your list, then post your top 10 centers, anyone who agrees that he is in the top 10 should do the same.