<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (giantcuseman @ Feb 21 2008, 10:50 AM)
<{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wow is what I have to say to some of you! Your responses seem like you are preparing to take an analyst job at TNT. This is how I see it, you don't have to hate me for it, just agree or disagree, the negative comments directed towards me personally are not needed. Josh Boone is a decent big man who will get you 10 rebounds most games.
And some of you fools may be happy with that, but if you actually watch the game he allows at least 10 easy points a game. He is also out of position ALL THE TIME. How about this, do me a favor before you defend your nets savior, next game, actually focus on Josh Boone for about 5 minutes. And I'm not talking about 2 minutes into the game when everyone is settling in, watch in the middle of the second or 3rd quarters, then come back and analyze his positioning and hustle.
If you just look at numbers, there is no point arguing with me, as you are wrong. Jason Kidd almost had a triple double again last night, as he has almost every night here...those are amazing numbers too, but we lost the majority of the games with him this year even with "good numbers"...so please stop looking at numbers, its about winning. And to touch up on Frank, if any of you can defend him after the slow downfall of the NETS after he has taken over, you are nuts.
Do you notice a trend of getting progressively worse each year, even though the talent levels remained relatively even for the past 6 years? We lost kittles harris martin van horn and Todd Todd MacCulloch And picked up Vince Carter, a much better RJ (than during championship years), Clif, Rodney Rogers, Mikki Moore, Aaron Williams, Eric Williams, Zoran , Marc Jackson (who was averaging 12 pts a game when we got him) among a few others. Now these names aren't mind boggling, but they all had talent at their respective positions, and with the right coaching job with our starters should have brought us to the promise land. That window of opportunity is over for now, and its disappointing. I wouldn't be surprised to see a coaching change this off season is what I'm trying to get at, if the Nets can trade Kidd, they can certainly fire Lawrence Frank.</div>
This is actually your best post...
not because it's accurate, its just so long that I almost don't feel like responding...
Yet you pissed me off so here we go.
1) Personal attacks...when you are brand new to a message board, make arrogant statements, dumb generalizations and make offensive statements then you are likely to be on the receiving end of personal attacks...you make yourself a target...that's life my friend and learning this leason on a message board is much better than learning it in the real world.
2) 10 easy points a game? C'mon man...he contests everything he can...sometimes he'll miss a cutter but those instances can also be blamed on our guards missing on a rotation, Nenad being out of position and Frank having some bad schemes...His man to man defense is solid and currently he may be the best defensive big on the roster...I'm not gonna defend his hustle...his play does it for me...he is active as hell on the court.
3) As for Jason Kidd and triple doubles...god I don't feel like defending Kidd...
Rumors were running rampant he was dogging it this year gathering empty stats to retain trade value while still disrupting the team...In the past they mattered...they might still in the future.
Stats matter...bottomline...sometimes stats can be overrated but they do matter. If they didn't we wouldn't be keeping them...rebounding numbers are important.
4) The talent level got worse while the rest of the Eastern Conference teams got better...that's the reality...During our run with Kidd the first three seasons Kidd played at a MUCH higher level than he currently does...watch the film...he used to drive to the hoop for layups all night and make a killing at the free throw line...he isn't capable of that anymore. Our depth was better and honestly the cohesion of the team was so much better...After K-mart left the team got dramatically worse...We haven't had a frontcourt that replaced him since and have only now post Kidd do we have one.
Your argument is wrong...however I would like to see Frank fired for other reason's...his offensive scheme is poor, he uses bad combinations in the rotation and is horrible with young players...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (giantcuseman @ Feb 21 2008, 11:11 AM)
<{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>To everyone who thinks I am a "SWIFT LOVER" - this is not true! I think Swift is better than Boone at this stage in their NBA careers. It's not that Swift is this old man who can't play, he is only 28! With that being said, there are a ton of players better than both Boone and Swift combined, we all know that. I'm hoping we making a deal for Nene or Miller because we obviously have to many big men right now, with Frank you know it's going to be a different player sitting out every night, he can't possibly rotate all these guys in game in and game out. Even with the addition of Nene, we will have to trade a few bigs away, so it works out nicely, and if that costs Swift so be it! (I don't "love him" haha so please stop with that) I just want the Nets to win like the rest of you, were on the same team here...And to look at Kidd's numbers from yesterday, Jason had 8 pts 3 Steals 6 Rebounds and 5 Assists while getting acquainted with a new system. Would you not take that from your starting point guard? I would. And it is definitely possible that Dallas misses the playoffs this year, weirder things have happened in sports...</div>
Stromile Swift has been a disappointment his entire career...he had the potential to be an allstar but has instead been reduced to being a role player...In his career he is averaging only 8.7 pts and 4.7 rebounds with his best season coming in his 2nd year when he averged 11.8 and 6.7 rebounds. It's safe to say Swift has never been better than Boone is now at any stage of the year...So what if Swift is only 28 if he hasn't reached his potential by now then it's reasonably safe to assume he never will.
We're not adding Nene so I won't get into what an expensive blunder that would be...for the record he is overpaid earning something like 42 million over the next 4 years with a career average of 10.8 points and 6.4 rebounds...he's also injury prone averaging
48 games a year over 6 seasons Josh Boone average 10 and 8.7 as a starter for us and is on a rookie contract...why would we ever do that?
"Jason had 8 pts 3 Steals 6 Rebounds and 5 Assists "
No I would not want that from my starting PG...especially not one making 20 million dollars.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (giantcuseman @ Feb 21 2008, 11:35 AM)
<{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ghoti, it is quite simple. Nene is 25 years old, and if the Nets are building a team based on potential talent. Nene is your man. His salary of roughly 9 million this year is the average for a starting PF. If Nene were to truly get healthy, I believe he could become something special. If we trade Swift and Magloire and even another big guy or Boki plus a draft pick, I believe we can get this guy. Here is the site I found his salary on, and his contract for the next few years - Source -
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/denver.htm
Nenê
2007/08 $8,840,000
2008/09 $9,680,000
2009/2010 $10,520,000
2010/2011$11,360,000
2011/2012 $11,600,000 (player option)
Thoughts?</div>
I'll just repost:
We're not adding Nene so I won't get into what an expensive blunder that would be...for the record he is overpaid earning something like 42 million over the next 4 years with a career average of 10.8 points and 6.4 rebounds...he's also injury prone averaging
48 games a year over 6 seasons Josh Boone average 10 and 8.7 as a starter for us and is on a rookie contract...why would we ever do that?
Didn't know about the PO for a 5th year...wow that contract is even worse than I thought.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (giantcuseman @ Feb 21 2008, 11:52 AM)
<{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Netted - I just explained in a previous post life is about taking chances, If we stand pat, what are we? a .500 team, skewed to a possibly above .500 record if they play well throughout the second half. I want to win the championship every year, and I'm not saying Nene will bring us that, but everyone knows this team as its currently built will not bring us a title. Our salaries as of now totaled are $61,114,878. That is one of the lowest in the league. Source -
http://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm (They didn't update the salary for NJ on team payrolls, but click on New Jersey and you can see the updated total below the players). I think many of you guys from reading other posts are anticipating an off season where we are going to score a good pick, and sign a good free agent. I want you guys to understand that we aren't the most enticing place to be associated with at the moment. We are a team in a state of confusion, on many levels. From a management perspective, where is this team going to be playing in 3 years? Brooklyn? Newark? somewhere else? From a personal perspective Players wanted to sign for Jason Kidd. Do you think they are going to sign wanting to play with Richard Jefferson, Vince Carter and be coached by Lawrence Frank? That remains to be seen, but again, my gut says no.</div>
You don't mess with a roster full of young players and expiring players and draft picks just because you know you can't win a championship...any move we could have made would have set us back...We are in an excellent position coming into this offseason with a roster full of depth, young players, draft picks, RJ and Vince's improved stock.
As for Brooklyn...gut feeling is we end up not going there...if we don't then we end up in Newark in a brand new arena that is much easier to access via train. As for enticing players to come...they come where the money comes from. We have assets in having Jay-Z who is an icon to a lot of the current NBA players...we'll see were will go. Nene doesnt solve any problem.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (giantcuseman @ Feb 21 2008, 12:03 PM)
<{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Netted - When we got Jason Kidd, it was a risk, granted we knew he was a great player, but who knew he was going to make the nets relevant again? I didn't. Maybe Nene will work, maybe it won't. I doubt we get him anyways. It's an idea that has a bit of substance with some rumors, so I thought I would throw it out there. I want to hear others opinions on how to improve the team.</div>
The risk wasn't an injury risk or a performance risk...the risk was a character risk or the wife beating incident...we basically stole him from Phoenix for Stephan Marbury.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (giantcuseman @ Feb 21 2008, 12:07 PM)
<{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ghoti, you can argue with me all you want, I have free time until 1:30 so thats fine. Obviously Boone has some skill, I'm kinda tired of discussing that issue. Petey is also right with Kristic taking away his rebounds once he is fully recovered from his injury. Marginal players do well on average teams. Boone is that kinda guy...And again, I can be completely wrong and he may turn into a stud, but who knows</div>
ugh...this is tiring...
We agree to disagree. I will say marginal is harsh words for a guy who starts, and averages 10pts and 8.7 rebounds a game at age 23...actually I take it back it's not harsh it's just plain ignorant.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (giantcuseman @ Feb 21 2008, 12:19 PM)
<{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yes, but your quoting of me was in mock of my comments. The comments made last night were created in a mind of frustration and a few posters attacking my thoughts...I know all tall people can't rebound...and I would like to lay this topic to rest, Boone has some skill, he has good rebounding positioning, he had 15 rebounds, I am very happy for him and the team that they won. But like analysts have said with J-Kidd and his decline in numbers when he goes to Dallas (less rebounds), rebounds will always be had with decent defense, and anyone with the correct footwork should be able to box our correctly, but how many times even with the 15 rebounds did the Bulls get second and third tries on the offensive end with missed rebounds from the Nets? Way to many if you ask me, and that kept them in the game. If we are struggling and going to overtime with the Bulls, we must accept that right now we are a subpar team. As a fan I want to see the best product on the floor every year. I don't want to wait 2 years for a team to gel. That's not fun. And most times, the "rebuilding" experiments never work. Re tooling is the way to win, only in rare cases does a complete rebuilding ever pan out into something special.
I'm posting suggestions on how to upgrade this team, and I'm not reading any others...I want to hear others opinions on how to make the NETS better!</div>
Welcome to S2 forums Isiah Thomas...if you have any questions you can PM me.
I'm sorry but this reads right out of the Knicks play book...
Ok two teams that were dominant in the 90s...one chose to rebuild while the other chose to retool...
One of these teams is the Knicks, the other is the Trailblazers...
Which team would you rather have?
If it's the Trailblazers than you might want to adjust your thinking...
HAHAHAHAHAHA! Yes!
Finally I'm done!
I'm gonna go watch Discovery Channel or something...I feel dumber by just reading some of those posts.
