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Josh, in my eyes, was closest thing to Iron Wes, that ever played for Blazers since Wes went down. He was the only guy, that played professional basketball in last years sorry ass Blazers team. ONLY guy to play defense every single night.
He was the piece Lillard should fought for if he wanted to "have a shot".
I don't get people here. For 5 years talking about ballhogs with tunnel vision and you hating on a guy, because he wouldn't hit 3s like CJ.
 
illmatic99 said:
I'm not talking about trade value. I'm talking about on court impact.
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Hes 28 though. He couldn’t shoot and I really don’t think we need another ball handler. I don’t think we need to be handing out large contracts to role players right now.

This is all assuming that he wanted to be here.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Yeah.... unfortunately there's a lot of "ifs" in that scenario.

If Hart didn't (reportedly) actually want to go back east.

If Simons would come off the bench (still I think his best fit on this team).

If we were willing to trade Sharpe (presumably for someone like OG).

The funny thing is that I still think, despite it being arguably our most talented lineup since LMA, that a starting lineup of Dame/Hart/OG/Grant/Nurk is not a contender and at best maybe a second round exit.
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Depends on the bench. That starting line up is better than the one that reached WCF.
 
robson said:
Josh, in my eyes, was closest thing to Iron Wes, that ever played for Blazers since Wes went down. He was the only guy, that played professional basketball in last years sorry ass Blazers team. ONLY guy to play defense every single night.
He was the piece Lillard should fought for if he wanted to "have a shot".
I don't get people here. For 5 years talking about ballhogs with tunnel vision and you hating on a guy, because he wouldn't hit 3s like CJ.
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He was turning down shots we needed him to take. Made him a liability on offense.
 
People talk about rebounding but actually after Hart was traded as our best rebounder...both Grant and Lillard's rebounding got much, much better. I remember the radio broadcast crew talking about it after Dame had a triple double game...Charles Barkley used to say that if you played against Rodman, he was going to get your rebounds. Hart got everybody's rebounds but was not a willing shooter. Playing with Hart in the paint would be like playing with Kanter in the paint...they just have great rebounding instincts.
 
riverman said:
People talk about rebounding but actually after Hart was traded as our best rebounder...both Grant and Lillard's rebounding got much, much better. I remember the radio broadcast crew talking about it after Dame had a triple double game...Charles Barkley used to say that if you played against Rodman, he was going to get your rebounds. Hart got everybody's rebounds but was not a willing shooter. Playing with Hart in the paint would be like playing with Kanter in the paint...they just have great rebounding instincts.
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I was skeptical about this - so I pulled the game logs.

With Hart: Grant averaged 4.3 boards in 53 games.
Without Hart: Grant averaged 5.3 boards in 10 games.

He did increase them by ~25%.... However, either way, he is way below average for a PF.
 
If Josh Hart costs too much to be a Blazer, then why was it perfectly OK to give a 5yr max contract to stat padding tank specialist Jerami Grant ??
.... oh wait, I think I just answered my own question.
 
Whyachi said:
If Josh Hart costs too much to be a Blazer, then why was it perfectly OK to give a 5yr max contract to stat padding tank specialist Jerami Grant ??
.... oh wait, I think I just answered my own question.
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One is a SG who lacks shooting on a team with a bunch of guards. The other is a forward on a team with almost no forwards/centers.
 
A few months later and I'm underwhelmed by the thought of having Hart at $20m a year and equally as underwhelmed by the future of Kris Murray.
 
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Tince said:
A few months later and I'm underwhelmed by the thought of having Hart at $20m a year and equally as underwhelmed by the further of Kris Murray.
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It's only 13m for Hart this year
Don't worry about Murray looking flat footed and timid during Summer League. He hasn't pushed his "not normal rookie, played against men" button yet.
 
Whyachi said:
It's only 13m for Hart this year
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If we had Hart on a 1 year, $13m deal, I'd want him traded by the deadline before we had to give him $20m for 4 years.

Of course, he took the 1 year, $13m deal with the promise of an added 4 years and $81m.
 
KingSpeed said:
He was turning down shots we needed him to take. Made him a liability on offense.
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That give me this picture: Mother wakes up early morning, walks the dogs, makes breakfast for five, take kids to school, going to her own work. After work she's coming back makes a dinner for five, clean after. Mows the grass, cleans the windows and then goes to garage to repair bikes. Then she prepare a party for his husband's birthday in the evening, but she's a liability on it, because she doesn't dance enough.
Maybe if her family wasn't liability on everything else than partying, she would dance more. I don't know.
 
Tince said:
One is a SG who lacks shooting on a team with a bunch of guards. The other is a forward on a team with almost no forwards/centers.
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I guess someone needs to tell Grant he is not a guard and should stop play like one.
And same thing other way around with Hart.
 
robson said:
I guess someone needs to tell Grant he is not a guard and should stop play like one.
And same thing other way around with Hart.
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I'd rather have a 6'9" guard than a 6'3" forward. I know we're conidition to want to be extra small at every position and that can be a tough habit to break.

Regardless, pigeon holing and limiting skillsets based off height/position seems like a mistake in the first place.
 
Tince said:
I'd rather have a 6'9" guard than a 6'3" forward. I know we're conidition to want to be extra small at every position and that can be a tough habit to break.

Regardless, pigeon holing and limiting skillsets based off height/position seems like a mistake in the first place.
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This is what made Stotts a very underrated coach. He didn't ever seem to limit skillsets. He seemed to always get more out of his players.
 
Josh Hart's personality is as New York east coast as it gets...he's in his element with the Knicks...I'm glad to see it...in Portland he had a serious deer in the headlights issue shooting wide open 3s....he's way more comfortable in the Big Apple and it shows. The guy will be a fan favorite wherever he goes and I respect that he praised Portland on his way out as a stand up organization. Apparently his wife hated being so far from her family in the east. First time mother is now able to be around her family without traveling 3000 miles.
 
Happy for Josh. He and his family are in a spot they obviously preferred to be in. Happy wife, happy life and all that. I'm fairly confident he would not have stayed with us, barring a HUGE overpayment.
And I'd say 20 million a year for Josh is him being overpaid currently. Of course, we only see the bumps on his good games.
For the season, he's shooting a career low for 3p%, an ORTG below his career average, a DRTG higher than his career average. His lowest PER since his 2nd season. His lowest TS% season. He's a great rebounder, especially for his size. He plays hard. He seems like a great guy. Funny n interviews I've seen. I liked him as a Blazer. He's a Knick. so be it.
 
RR7 said:
Happy for Josh. He and his family are in a spot they obviously preferred to be in. Happy wife, happy life and all that. I'm fairly confident he would not have stayed with us, barring a HUGE overpayment.
And I'd say 20 million a year for Josh is him being overpaid currently. Of course, we only see the bumps on his good games.
For the season, he's shooting a career low for 3p%, an ORTG below his career average, a DRTG higher than his career average. His lowest PER since his 2nd season. His lowest TS% season. He's a great rebounder, especially for his size. He plays hard. He seems like a great guy. Funny n interviews I've seen. I liked him as a Blazer. He's a Knick. so be it.
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Whaaaaaaat? Only his good games get bumped? Who would do such a thing?
 
RR7 said:
Happy for Josh. He and his family are in a spot they obviously preferred to be in. Happy wife, happy life and all that. I'm fairly confident he would not have stayed with us, barring a HUGE overpayment.
And I'd say 20 million a year for Josh is him being overpaid currently. Of course, we only see the bumps on his good games.
For the season, he's shooting a career low for 3p%, an ORTG below his career average, a DRTG higher than his career average. His lowest PER since his 2nd season. His lowest TS% season. He's a great rebounder, especially for his size. He plays hard. He seems like a great guy. Funny n interviews I've seen. I liked him as a Blazer. He's a Knick. so be it.
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Damn you Joe Cronin!
 
Hart has played 2 games (both KO wins) against the Blazers since the trade.

Josh has accumulated:
23pts 24reb 10ast 6stl

divide that by analytical ppm using the Tmac sliding guage-o-meter, the conclusion is simple...

dial 1-800-CRONIN when your team needs to tank and lose games immediately.
 
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