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GoBlazersGo said:
My opinion(s) on the subject is/are still being formed. That said, Corey fucking Maggette can stay (FAR!!!) away from this team! I've been a HUGE supporter of Kevin Pritchard--and the moves he's made, during his time here--but if he brings in that fucking turd, Maggette, I just might have to change my tune!
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Maggette is a helluva player; he can kick cats, jaywalk, pull tags off of mattresses and generally be a prick all he likes as long as he would make the Blazers better -- to that end I don't think he actually would make the Blazers better because he really doesn't shoot well from distance and he's not exactly world renowned for playing hard on defense or making his teammates better. Ultimately, this team needs another attacking guard/wing who can't shoot like it needs another injury prone center.
 
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Nikolokolus said:
Maggette is a helluva player; he can kick cats, jaywalk, pull tags off of mattresses and be generally be a prick all he likes as long as he would make the Blazers better -- to that end I don't think he actually would make the Blazers all better because he really doesn't shoot well from distance and he's not exactly world renowned for playing hard on defense or making his teammates better. Ultimately, this team needs another attacking guard/wing who can't shoot like it needs another injury prone center.
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yeah I am thinking about it.. and Collison could be a scorer AND PGOTF all at once. Can we make it happen!?
 
Wheels said:
based on what? Not being much of a passer? That wouldnt be his role here. I'm not calling you out or anything, I'm wondering if there was stuff I hadnt heard of.
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Honestly, I just absolutely mega-loathe the shit-bird "brand" of basketball that the guy plays (a.k.a. "me-first," stat-inflating, & not conducive to winning basketball games). Add in the fact that he did his signature "Bowling Ball" maneuver and injured Greg Oden, and I just can't honestly think of anything positive to say about the guy (in terms of basketball). Obviously, I don't "know him" or anything, and I'm sure he's a good enough guy as a person/individual, but his game on the court has to be one of the ugliest I've ever seen in my days of watching hoops.
 
GoBlazersGo said:
Honestly, I just absolutely mega-loathe the shit-bird "brand" of basketball that the guy plays (a.k.a. "me-first," stat-inflating, & not conducive to winning basketball games). Add in the fact that he did his signature "Bowling Ball" maneuver and injured Greg Oden, and I just can't honestly think of anything positive to say about the guy (in terms of basketball). Obviously, I don't "know him" or anything, and I'm sure he's a good enough guy as a person/individual, but his game on the court has to be one of the ugliest I've ever seen in my days of watching hoops.
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Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification :cheers:
 
Maggette's game is as despised now as Crawford's was a season ago--only difference is that Crawford is a chucker from range, whereas Maggette is a ballhog who attacks the rim. We've said many times that we need someone on our bench who (a) can score consistently, and (b) can get his own shot. ME-ggette fits that description to a tee. As long as it is made very clear to him that he is not, can not, and never will be "the man" here, and he accepts that role, I think he could definitely have value here.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Maggette's game is as despised now as Crawford's was a season ago--only difference is that Crawford is a chucker from range, whereas Maggette is a ballhog who attacks the rim. We've said many times that we need someone on our bench who (a) can score consistently, and (b) can get his own shot. ME-ggette fits that description to a tee. As long as it is made very clear to him that he is not, can not, and never will be "the man" here, and he accepts that role, I think he could definitely have value here.
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I've long questioned his mental makeup, but for what you mention, I don't really think he'd have a problem with it. I mean, he's on a garbage team in GS, and he has seemed fine all season with coming off the bench. He's had to play PF a good chunk of the season. I think if he wanted to complain, he has a valid one, and he hasn't. He might not be a great shooter, but he is a great SCORER. Getting to the basket, and creating scoring opportunities for himself. He's the one dimensional player Outlaw is but, instead of settling for off balance 20 footers, he gets into the paint.
 
If he enters, I like a few international players. Kevin Seraphin is one of the more intriguing bigs in Europe -- A 6'10" 260lb. PF/C

He has very large hands which allows him to dunk and grab rebounds with ease. He has a 7'3 wing span which he puts to good use. He never takes a play off and will go after every single rebound and then dunk with authority. Kevin is very quick off his feet and very explosive. His jumpshot is a little rough releasing his guide hand a little early. With some help from a shooting coach he should be able to fix it. This being said, he still is a consistent shooter and will knock the down the midrange jumpshot. Not speaking the same language as Kevin, we still got along great, and is a cool guy.
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-nbadraft.net

I also like Donatas Motiejunas. A pure shooter at 7'1.5"

Though, we'd most definitely have to trade into the high-mid lotto for him. I liked Giorgi Shermadini but he's not entering in this years draft according to DX.
 
Nikolokolus said:
And? ...
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And, I added Harangody as an afterthought. You completely ignored the first two players in my post.

Cunningham isn't a PF, Pendergraph probably isn't a legitimate back-up PF because he does nothing exceptional ... Lawal or Varnado intrigue me. Varnado is like a mini-Camby, and Varnado has a decent body and can rebound.
 
BGrantFan said:
And, I added Harangody as an afterthought. You completely ignored the first two players in my post.

Cunningham isn't a PF, Pendergraph probably isn't a legitimate back-up PF because he does nothing exceptional ... Lawal or Varnado intrigue me. Varnado is like a mini-Camby, and Varnado has a decent body and can rebound.
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I'm fine with Lawal or Varnado as a late first round pick, I only addressed Harongody, because taking him in the first would be a huge mistake.
 
Nikolokolus said:
I'm fine with Lawal or Varnado as a late first round pick, I only addressed Harongody, because taking him in the first would be a huge mistake.
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I suppose I could have clarified why I added Harangody, and if he's available, I'd probably take him in Rd. 2 if we go a different route in Rd. 1. I do like the idea of trying to acquire a vet SF via trade as opposed to drafting a scorer to come off of the bench. I don't think a SF drafted ~20th is going to have the offensive game to be any sort of consistent bench scorer.

As others have posted, Magette would be a nice target. If it's Outlaw vs. Magette, I'll take Magette every time. I just wonder what it would take to get him.
 
I think a lot would depend on the potential sale of the Warriors on what it might take. With his salary being almost 31 million over the next 3 years, as they currently are, I think they'd be interested in a simple Joel for Maggette swap. The salaries are just slightly off, but could be reached easy enough. If insurance picks up Joel's deal, it makes it mroe enticin for them, but even if it doesn't, it's a savings of about 23 million dollars over the next 3 seasons.
 
dammit guys quit swaying me on Maggette! I feel like I'm watching Lost going back and forth.. "is Whitmore bad.. no he's good and Locke/Smoke is bad.. no Whitmore went back on his deal with Sawyer.. he is bad and Locke/Smoke is good..." :ohno:
 
Wheels said:
dammit guys quit swaying me on Maggette! I feel like I'm watching Lost going back and forth.. "is Whitmore bad.. no he's good and Locke/Smoke is bad.. no Whitmore went back on his deal with Sawyer.. he is bad and Locke/Smoke is good..." :ohno:
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You WILL see it my way!! :beatinto:
 
A perimeter of Miller, Bayless and Maggette would rack up the free throws for Portland. Due to the lack of shooting, you couldn't stay with it for long...but with all the processions to the free throw line, the few minutes they played together would take an hour or so.
 
^ nice. Although it would further fuel my wifes hatred for a game clock when it takes so long lol.
 
Looking at the draft, an off-the-radar guy that Jonathan Givony seems to like a little bit:
Dominique Jones a 6'4" combo guard from South Florida that might be useful for his defense, but I doubt you take him because you expect him to be any kind of long term answer to the PG position.
 
Minstrel said:
A perimeter of Miller, Bayless and Maggette would rack up the free throws for Portland. Due to the lack of shooting, you couldn't stay with it for long...but with all the processions to the free throw line, the few minutes they played together would take an hour or so.
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Put LaMarcus & Marcus outside to space the floor.
 
The more I think about it, the more I like Pondexter for us...he's one of KP's "4 year college" guys, he's from a good system at UW that stresses playing disciplined, defensive ball...he'll probably be available at 22...he has the length and chops to guard big 1's, 2's and 3's...

If for some reason Rudy goes away (I'm becoming more and more attuned to that idea), or even if Webster does (I'd hate that) I wouldn't mind Quincy. Especially if we can get Nic playing more at the 1. That'd leave us with Jerryd as the primary b/u PG, Webster and Pondexter able to go to the 2 or 3 or maybe 4, DC at the 3 or 4, Pendergraph and Camby at the 4 or 5.

I don't like many of the bigs available to us at 22. Yeah, Motiejuans looks interesting, but he's a mid-lotto pick. Same for Monroe, Aldrich, etc.
 
BrianFromWA said:
The more I think about it, the more I like Pondexter for us...he's one of KP's "4 year college" guys, he's from a good system at UW that stresses playing disciplined, defensive ball...he'll probably be available at 22...he has the length and chops to guard big 1's, 2's and 3's...

If for some reason Rudy goes away (I'm becoming more and more attuned to that idea), or even if Webster does (I'd hate that) I wouldn't mind Quincy. Especially if we can get Nic playing more at the 1. That'd leave us with Jerryd as the primary b/u PG, Webster and Pondexter able to go to the 2 or 3 or maybe 4, DC at the 3 or 4, Pendergraph and Camby at the 4 or 5.

I don't like many of the bigs available to us at 22. Yeah, Motiejuans looks interesting, but he's a mid-lotto pick. Same for Monroe, Aldrich, etc.
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For a team that can realistically challenge for the title next season, I'd preefr grabbing a vet to counting on Pondexter as a rather significant contributor, personally. I don't mind him, overall, as a 13th, 14th, 15th man, but I hope our bench backcourt isn't Bayless, Quincy, Webster.
 
BrianFromWA said:
The more I think about it, the more I like Pondexter for us...he's one of KP's "4 year college" guys, he's from a good system at UW that stresses playing disciplined, defensive ball...he'll probably be available at 22...he has the length and chops to guard big 1's, 2's and 3's...

If for some reason Rudy goes away (I'm becoming more and more attuned to that idea), or even if Webster does (I'd hate that) I wouldn't mind Quincy. Especially if we can get Nic playing more at the 1. That'd leave us with Jerryd as the primary b/u PG, Webster and Pondexter able to go to the 2 or 3 or maybe 4, DC at the 3 or 4, Pendergraph and Camby at the 4 or 5.

I don't like many of the bigs available to us at 22. Yeah, Motiejuans looks interesting, but he's a mid-lotto pick. Same for Monroe, Aldrich, etc.
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That's certainly something that bears watching -- will Nicolas develop the ball-handling ability (which is pretty good now) and does he have enough play-making ability to be a point-forward type player? There's just something really intriguing about that possibility.
 
I think you are on to something. Ironically, I have been thinking about this too. But I agree, I think you take Martell Webster, Rudy Fernandez and move them for physical, defensive ball players. They don't have to be stars but players that will fit into this system, who will understand their role and go in and do the job of stopping the offensive ball player. Kind of like what Denver has in Aaron Afflalo and what they had in Dahntay Jones. A Bruce Bowen type. Someone that wil fille that role. Acquiring those kind of players will just about do it for this team IMO.
 
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