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Natebishop3 said:
I just can't interpret this to mean anything other than keeping Roy happy. Right on the heels of reports that Roy supposedly demanded that Miller be traded. Coincidence?

Does this mean we're moving Joel for a point guard?
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I don't think it is keeping Roy happy, as much as it is that Roy is virtually untradeable right now.....Miller, whom I would prefer to keep is getting up there in age and I doubt POR would resign him, or that he would even want to come back here.....

Getting Gortat for Miller is not a bad deal, Gortat is a young big man who wants to start...and allows POR to move Camby &\or Przybilla for more "future" pieces....

Moving these guys is the right move to make....
 
That would be a fantastic move for the Blazers. Andre Miller was supposed to be a stop-gap measure. This season is likely lost anyway. You get a quality, young big for an aging PG that will take you nowhere, you make the trade of Camby or Joel much easier to stomach, and you find out if Roy really has anything left with more spacing or not, and if not - you just play the young guys at PG, try to make Batum that point-forward you hope he will be one day - and get a high-pick for the future.

In my best Starsky and Hutch voice I would go with "Do it", "Do it".
 
I think you do that if you have a deal in place for Camby or Joel for a PG. I like Miller, appreciate what he has done for us. If we're not winning a title this season, and are going to struggle, finding young pieces for our older guys and expirings makes sense. I don't know if we'd find a better deal for Miller than a potential starting C.
 
andalusian said:
That would be a fantastic move for the Blazers. Andre Miller was supposed to be a stop-gap measure. This season is likely lost anyway. You get a quality, young big for an aging PG that will take you nowhere, you make the trade of Camby or Joel much easier to stomach, and you find out if Roy really has anything left with more spacing or not, and if not - you just play the young guys at PG, try to make Batum that point-forward you hope he will be one day - and get a high-pick for the future.

In my best Starsky and Hutch voice I would go with "Do it", "Do it".
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Eh, I wouldn't dislike it, but it leaves a big problem at PG, with no guarantee of a high draft pick. Perhaps then trade Przy for a PG on sombody's bench? I just don't like the idea of Patty Mills and Armon Johnson being your PGs at the end of the season.

If Bayless was still around, then I'd be more excited to get a soon-to-be 27 year-old center who has seen his PER regress since his first two years to its current 14.1.
 
If we trade Miller, it means that we're bailing on this season.

Joel and Camby could both be moved to the high bidder and Portland could bring Telfair back for cheap for the rest of the year.

Ed O.
 
PapaG said:
Eh, I wouldn't dislike it, but it leaves a big problem at PG, with no guarantee of a high draft pick. Perhaps then trade Przy for a PG on sombody's bench? I just don't like the idea of Patty Mills and Armon Johnson being your PGs at the end of the season.
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Bigs usually reach their prime around 30, Gortat was signed by Orlando as an RFA against his wish - he wanted to go away from being D12's backup. I am willing to bet he does not go out of his way to play great for Orlando.

The PG situation does not bother me too much, honestly, there are tons of acceptable PGs you can find around the league - and worst case scenario - you find it does not work and do not waste another year on being close to the playoffs or high lottery because Miller is good enough to get you there, and instead, tank properly to start the rebuild hoping that Oden might someday be able to play and contribute.

If Bayless was still around, then I'd be more excited to get a soon-to-be 27 year-old center who has seen his PER regress since his first two years to its current 14.1.
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The Bayless ship has sailed. The Miller ship as a final piece has sailed as well. It's time to look forward, and this trade gives you something to build on.
 
At first I thought this was a horrible idea but if it comes with a draft pick as well it wouldn't be so bad as well as it could open the opportunity to trade pryz and camby for scoring and or a pg. I've kinda already thrown put this season to get anything past 7-8th seed and that's becoming less likely by the day. I wouldn't trade miller though unless we have a back up trade in place for a good pg or a draft pick that's high that could get us a good pg. Next year.
 
ed.... bail on season?

this season has gone from 2nd round to top 5 pick with roy being out/done.

you think theres hope of playoffs? without roy???
 
MIXUM said:
ed.... bail on season?

this season has gone from 2nd round to top 5 pick with roy being out/done.

you think theres hope of playoffs? without roy???
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Yes, I think there's hope for the playoffs, with or without Roy. HCA? No. An 8th seed? Possibly.

I'm not saying that we should NOT bail on the season. I would probably prefer, this year, a top 5 pick to an 8th seed. If we can move veterans and get more pieces for the future along with that top 5 pick, even better.

Gortat is a piece for the future, IMO, and that's why I think this trade could be a good one for Portland.

Ed O.
 
I'm as big a fan as anyone of Andre Miller, but I'd at least consider this deal. Gortat is a talented big man...Dallas tried to pry him away from Orlando and Orlando paid to retain him despite having Dwight Howard. That suggests they esteem him quite a bit.

I don't think it's a wonderful return on Miller, but it's not bad. If the Blazers can trade Camby/Przybilla for something shiny, then it's a pretty solid set of moves, IMO.

If Miller were in his 20s, this would be laughably bad. Since Miller only has another year or so beyond this one, as far as Portland is concerned, it's acceptable. If nothing better comes along.
 
I'm a huge Miller fan and probably will be until he retires. But I kind of like that trade. Maybe you package Gortat or Camby in a deal that nets us back Darren Collison, a guy who was on my radar over the summer that I thought we could get. He's got a nice perimeter shot that would probably play well beside Roy (if he's still around). Seems like a nice PGOTF project, even though he's not exactly tearing it up in Indiana. Or you go after one of Minnesota's guys or something.

Any way you look at it with Roy and Oden falling apart, Miller and Camby probably have much more value to contending teams than they do to us. (A front line of Camby and Howard is indeed terrifying.) Trading them out for younger talents could really speed up our rebuild-on-the-fly, which is what I want to do.
 
I have no idea if this rumor has any truth to it, but if it does then I'd be willing to bet that Cho has another deal lined up to bring in a PG.
 
e_blazer said:
I have no idea if this rumor has any truth to it, but if it does then I'd be willing to bet that Cho has another deal lined up to bring in a PG.
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Definitely. If he doesn't have that deal line up yet, he will.

Gortat really doesn't fit this team--he's good, but I have to believe Blazer management still have their eggs in the Greg Oden basket even after all the injuries. And we have Przybilla to help us limp along until next year. Besides, it may be that we want to run Aldridge at center more. He sure looked great playing it in the fourth quarter the other night.
 
Miller/Przy for Gortat/Nelson works in the trade machine. I really like Miller, but I'd do that.
 
I can't see Orlando doing that, though. Maybe, who knows. I think Camby instead of Joel would have them think much harder about it. We'd need to take on one other contract from them, though.
 
Gortat/Nelson/Bass for Miller/Camby

Orlando is a contender this year
The Blazers are rebuilding on the fly, getting a younger center, PG and backup PF
 
andalusian said:
Orlando gets screwed up on value here. Will have to add at least a pick to this, imho.
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RR7 said:
I can't see Orlando doing that, though. Maybe, who knows. I think Camby instead of Joel would have them think much harder about it. We'd need to take on one other contract from them, though.
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I'd do Miller/Camby/first round pick for Gortat/Nelson. To sort of fuse your thoughts together. I think that would at least be in the ballpark.
 
This deal alone would make the Blazers atrocious this year. Our already pathetic offense would become even more laughable without Miller.

If there is another trade lined up to get us a younger scorer, this trade might make some sense.
 
blazerboy30 said:
This deal alone would make the Blazers atrocious this year. Our already pathetic offense would become even more laughable without Miller.

If there is another trade lined up to get us a younger scorer, this trade might make some sense.
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Being atrocious for the rest of this year might not be that bad...

The worst thing that could happen to the Blazers is that they are stuck at the low-playoffs seed/high lottery seed area for 2 more years...
 
andalusian said:
Being atrocious for the rest of this year might not be that bad...

The worst thing that could happen to the Blazers is that they are stuck at the low-playoffs seed/high lottery seed area for 2 more years...
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I probably should have replaced "the rest of this year" with "the foreseeable future". Without another deal for a scorer, I don't see any of our players really being capable of getting this offense going.
 
Not that it is a huge help at the point, but we could swap Joel for Hinrich, get them out of the last year of Hinrich's deal, which I am sure they would be happy with. We add a stop gap who only has one year left after this one, at 8 million dollars. Miller and Joel for Hinrich and Gortat. Gets us a younger C, and in Hinrich, a decent fit for this season, and pushes to where we have an expiring contract next season, which might have a little value with the CBA changing.

We could then look to move Camby to the highest bidder for another young piece or two.
 
Minstrel said:
I'd do Miller/Camby/first round pick for Gortat/Nelson. To sort of fuse your thoughts together. I think that would at least be in the ballpark.
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If I'm the Blazers that looks like a fantastic deal.

Nelson has his limitations, but he's serviceable and if nothing else it will give Roy the floor spacer at the one that he craves ... which should help hasten his move to the bench when he realizes that it wasn't his teammates after all that are causing his struggles. And for Orlando it at least gives them two solid veteran players which might be slight upgrades or at least a push in their run for a championship. Camby has the added benefit of being able to play alongside Howard as a power forward which Gortat can't do.
 
Minstrel said:
I'd do Miller/Camby/first round pick for Gortat/Nelson. To sort of fuse your thoughts together. I think that would at least be in the ballpark.
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I think anyone would....except the Magic.

Jameer is kind of the heart and soul of that team imo. Makes a lot of the big plays. I think Chris Duhon is just so bad the Magic are looking for a backup PG.
 
RoyToy said:
I think anyone would....except the Magic.

Jameer is kind of the heart and soul of that team imo. I think Chris Duhon is just so bad the Magic are looking for a backup PG.
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Magic made the finals without Jameer. Played crappier when he played.
 
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