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Shams just tweeted that Lonzo has a torn meniscus. Will be out til the training camp.

Guessing that's gonna affect a potential kawhi deal
 
Sarni said:
Boston and Philadelphia can easily blow any deal for Kawhi out of the water. I think that Boston have already put themselves out of this race though, Ainge thought he could have got another bargain like with Kyrie but it has become clear that it’s not going to happen.
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Sure. Also... Boston and philly can blow any offer for cousins out of the water. (More Boston).

Boston and philly could blow any offer for paul george out of the water.
Etc.
 
KeepOnRollin said:
Phoenix is a good guess. I think it could also be Denver.
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Phoenix could offer Josh Jackson, TJ Warren and the Bucks pick. That’s a good offer I guess. I think Jackson should easily be worth more than anybody Lakers will put in their offer and TJ is a good rotation player. Maybe even Bender who I think would be a valuable piece for Pop.

Kawhi, Booker and Ayton could be competitive this year but they’d need to really do well in free agency with the acquisition of fringe and rotation players. Their situation at point guard is bad, currently they will be starting either Knight or Ulis there, neither is remotely enough. They would still have some trade assets - Marquese Chriss, their picks etc.
 
RR7 said:
Sure. Also... Boston and philly can blow any offer for cousins out of the water. (More Boston).

Boston and philly could blow any offer for paul george out of the water.
Etc.
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Well they could have at the time. They didn’t want to. In Cousins case Boston were probably not interested due to character, in George’s case Boston were invested in Hayward while Phila thought they had it all when Fultz came. I kind of get why neither of them moved for Cousins or George (or Butler for that matter).

The issue when you have as many enticing assets as Boston is that the other team will ask for a lot when you approach them with the offer. They have two very valuable picks - Kings and Grizzlies, they have several young players of very high value. You could comfortably get Kawhi if you gave them Tatum and Kings pick for example but you would obviously never do that.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Shams just tweeted that Lonzo has a torn meniscus. Will be out til the training camp.

Guessing that's gonna affect a potential kawhi deal
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Which effects LeBron too, because I don’t think LeBron wants to play with Lonzo and deal with his father making headlines about him and his team.
 
Sarni said:
Phoenix could offer Josh Jackson, TJ Warren and the Bucks pick. That’s a good offer I guess. I think Jackson should easily be worth more than anybody Lakers will put in their offer and TJ is a good rotation player. Maybe even Bender who I think would be a valuable piece for Pop.

Kawhi, Booker and Ayton could be competitive this year but they’d need to really do well in free agency with the acquisition of fringe and rotation players. Their situation at point guard is bad, currently they will be starting either Knight or Ulis there, neither is remotely enough. They would still have some trade assets - Marquese Chriss, their picks etc.
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Okobo is better than both.
 
JoshuaHall said:
If I’m Paul Allen, I’m telling Olshey to offer anything San Antonio wants for Kawhi outside of Dame. I’d risk him being a one year rental.
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Well thank goodness you’re not Paul Allen. There is no reason for thinking he’s going to re-sign here when everything he’s said indicates he wants to go to LA.
 
e_blazer said:
Well thank goodness you’re not Paul Allen. There is no reason for thinking he’s going to re-sign here when everything he’s said indicates he wants to go to LA.
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Could’ve said literally the same thing about George last year.

Things change. Portland fits Leonard’s personality perfectly.
 
Scalma said:
Could’ve said literally the same thing about George last year.
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PG came back from a horrific leg injury and played as hard as ever for his team. Kawhi never came back from a quad injury that his team doctors and teammate (Parker) downplayed the severity of. So, while the contractual situations may be similar, the concerns over where their heads are at differs quite a bit.
 
e_blazer said:
Well thank goodness you’re not Paul Allen. There is no reason for thinking he’s going to re-sign here when everything he’s said indicates he wants to go to LA.
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He had no intention of bolting for LA until Tony Parker and Greg Pop started roasting him in the media, in private, and public. The relationship is destroyed.

From everything I’ve seen, Dame is a great leader, vocal, and would fill the gaps that Kawhi lacks. Kawhi doesn’t want to be vocal leader... Dame does.

People also enjoy being around Dame and our team chemistry, off the court, is second to none. Thanks to Dame.

I’m willing to roll the dice on Dame being able to persuade Kawhi to stay long term after playing with him, being around him, and hopefully seeing our team culture. Plus, LA is a short flight from Portland.

I’d gladly take that risk to get the BEST player in the NBA, even if it means I lose CJ McCollum - undersized scoring machines are easily replaceable, Kawhi Leonard is not. Spurs wouldn’t have put up with this bullshit for a year if he was.

Gotta take risks to get off the treadmill. I would say thank god you’re not PA, too short sighted to build a winner, just like Neil.
 
JoshuaHall said:
He had no intention of bolting for LA until Tony Parker and Greg Pop started roasting him in the media, in private, and public. The relationship is destroyed.

From everything I’ve seen, Dame is a great leader, vocal, and would fill the gaps that Kawhi lacks. Kawhi doesn’t want to be vocal leader... Dame does.

People also enjoy being around Dame and our team chemistry, off the court, is second to none. Thanks to Dame.

I’m willing to roll the dice on Dame being able to persuade Kawhi to stay long term after playing with him, being around him, and hopefully seeing our team culture. Plus, LA is a short flight from Portland.

I’d gladly take that risk to get the BEST player in the NBA, even if it means I lose CJ McCollum - undersized scoring machines are easily replaceable, Kawhi Leonard is not. Spurs wouldn’t have put up with this bullshit for a year if he was.

Gotta take risks to get off the treadmill. I would say thank god you’re not PA, too short sighted to build a winner, just like Neil.
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Well, let’s just say I disagree and move along. No point in getting worked up over something that’s not going to happen.
 
Man I’d do this even if Kawhi was a rental. At the very worst it’s a salary dump and could set us up to make a run at Cousins. Cousins is the one guy I can safely say would love to play with Dame, and Vice versa. I’m pretty sure he’s going to take a short term deal this summer.
 
Why is no one talking about Kawhi's inability to play basketball last year when talking about superteams that include him? When will he be able to actually play?
 
Scalma said:
Kawhi loves LA so much he lives in San Diego. I’m telling yaaa, if he came to Portland he would stay.
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I'd take that chance.

The risk I'm not crazy about is his health, and whether he'd sand bag another season. We'd need some assurances.
 
Say The spurs don’t trade Kawhi and he sits out next year. Are teams going to still give him max deals? He will be two years removed from playing, Had an injury no one knows how bad it is.
 
I don't like seeing a player refuse to play but accept a paycheck...then demand a trade to only 1 franchise...give me Jimmy Butler instead. I read that Kawhi's quad suffered atrophy...basically lost flexibility while healing and isn't quite right...yet Pops wanted him to play through it..
 
riverman said:
I don't like seeing a player refuse to play but accept a paycheck...then demand a trade to only 1 franchise...give me Jimmy Butler instead. I read that Kawhi's quad suffered atrophy...basically lost flexibility while healing and isn't quite right...yet Pops wanted him to play through it..
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This post feels contradictory to me. If his quad reportedly suffered atrophy and lost flexibility while healing, and Pop wanted him to play through it even though it wasn't quite right, how is that deserving of being characterized as refusing to play but accepting a paycheck?

Either his leg was healthy enough for him to play, or it wasn't. Considering the fact that he did in fact try to play mid-season before pulling himself back out, and there wasn't any hint of discord until after the old guard (Parker/Ginobili) began calling him out, I personally believe Kawhi.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Either his leg was healthy enough for him to play, or it wasn't.
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Here's your posts contradiction.....Spurs docs vs Kawhi's docs...and you nor I have enough inside medical info....he has also said if he wasn't traded to LA he'd sit out another season...you're welcome to cheer for him though....and post your own take on the situation. If the Spurs deemed him healthy enough to play..and he didn't trust them and followed a second opion I think he should forfeit some pay for taking a leave of absence and not following team protocol..you may find Pops or Parker to be the bad guys here but I lean towards Kawhi just pouting and using this as leverage. Strapping the team to one choice for a trade and saying you want out is last straw material if I'm Pop....Pop would gladly trade him to the east
 
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