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RR7 said:
what exactly do you mean by uneven trade?
And what SG better than Wes is a team going to trade FOR Wes, for cap relief?
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New Orleans for Gordon, although Portland would be getting killed in that deal. Gordon's contract is horrific and he's arguably the most overpaid player in the NBA right now.
 
RR7 said:
what exactly do you mean by uneven trade?
And what SG better than Wes is a team going to trade FOR Wes, for cap relief?
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There are a couple I can think of off the top of my head. Igs and Martin.
 
i can see the Bucks not wanting to pay Ellis market value and doing a sign and trade for Matthews.
 
Keep
Lillard

Maybe
Aldridge
Batum

Shouldn't
Matthews

Hell no
Hickson
Leonard
 
craigehlo said:
i can see the Bucks not wanting to pay Ellis market value and doing a sign and trade for Matthews.
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Good call Craig. Your post makes sense. I would very much like that to happen. I mean ideally I would like to keep Wes and sign Ellis, but if it takes Wes to get it done, and allowed us to save extra money to sign someone else then I say go for it. Ellis and Lillard will terrorize other teams on offense. Our D may suffer though.
 
Rastopopoulos is correct to point out there is one guy we'd like to get rid of but can't. In retrospect it was a huge mistake signing Freeland to a three year contract. I think their plan was to develop him as an asset to be used in a trade, but it just didn't work out. Now he is a big drag on the salary cap and basically untradeable. I have to think that Olshey relied heavily on Buchanan and the European scouts in making this decision and I think the results must have him questioning their value to the organization. (Not to mention Olshey having to watch Nolan Smith all season!)
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Rastopopoulos is correct to point out there is one guy we'd like to get rid of but can't. In retrospect it was a huge mistake signing Freeland to a three year contract. I think their plan was to develop him as an asset to be used in a trade, but it just didn't work out. Now he is a big drag on the salary cap and basically untradeable. I have to think that Olshey relied heavily on Buchanan and the European scouts in making this decision and I think the results must have him questioning their value to the organization. (Not to mention Olshey having to watch Nolan Smith all season!)
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Freeland signed a relatively small contract. Its not like he is Hedo or Gordon or someone like that. Would be nice to have his 3m off the books this summer but really its not really a big cap killer contract.

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Rhal said:
Freeland signed a relatively small contract. Its not like he is Hedo or Gordon or someone like that. Would be nice to have his 3m off the books this summer but really its not really a big cap killer contract.

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I don't know. The difference between 13 million and 16 million in cap space seems huge to me. 16 million could get either a top star or two good rotation guys. 13 million falls short for me.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Good call Craig. Your post makes sense. I would very much like that to happen. I mean ideally I would like to keep Wes and sign Ellis, but if it takes Wes to get it done, and allowed us to save extra money to sign someone else then I say go for it. Ellis and Lillard will terrorize other teams on offense. Our D may suffer though.
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I want no part of Ellis as a starter. He is going cost upwards of 8 mill a year with very bad defense and would isn't exactly and efficient scorer. Him or Kevin Martin would be great as a sixth man off the bench but neither one would make me want to give up Wes unless we had a decent defensive SG somewhere in the rotation to replace him.

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Rhal said:
I want no part of Ellis as a starter. He is going cost upwards of 8 mill a year with very bad defense
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Ellis is #4 in the NBA in steals, so his defense isn't "bad" IMHO. He's the type of player we need. He can create his own shot, runs the floor better than anyone on the current squad and generally keep the pressure on the opposing team.
 
Get Nic/Wes on a team that has defensive presence at C and more discipline, and you've got one of the best SG/SF defensive combos in the league. As a team, we are so bad on that end, it's sad. We look like high schoolers without a definitive plan as to how to guard guys-- it's all helter skelter and on the fly. No individual can succeed in that environment.

As for EG? lol. He has played 102 of his last 225 possible games and is clearly tanking his way out of NO with his garbage play. He recently got into a shouting match with Monty and wearing out his welcome quick. Not the kind of guy we want here, especially when he has beef with our GM.
 
yuyuza1 said:
As for EG? lol. He has played 102 of his last 225 possible games and is clearly tanking his way out of NO with his garbage play. He recently got into a shouting match with Monty and wearing out his welcome quick. Not the kind of guy we want here, especially when he has beef with our GM.
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EG is the ultimate buy low player. He's coming off of injury and working his way back into form. If the Pelicans are desperate to dump him we could swap Matthews and Freeland for him. High risk high reward. Playing it safe has gotten this team into the lottery far too often.
 
craigehlo said:
EG is the ultimate buy low player. He's coming off of injury and working his way back into form. If the Pelicans are desperate to dump him we could swap Matthews and Freeland for him. High risk high reward. Playing it safe has gotten this team into the lottery far too often.
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Would definitely be high risk, high reward. However, if we sent Matthews and Freeland for Gordon, see if Phoenix would do Leonard for Gortat to help their rebuild along. We can package Jeffries and Sasha's non-guaranteed deals to make it work. We'd fill out our starting lineup, use up our cap space, but still have the MLE to use, I believe. Can retain Hickson and Maynor as bench pieces if we so desired, and throw the full MLE at a scorer off the bench.

Lillard/Maynor
EG/FA/Barton
Batum/Claver
Aldridge/Hickson
Gortat/Hickson

Have the MLE and our lotto pick still to use. Go BPA with the pick, maybe another big off the bench?
 
I'd have Lillard, Batum, Aldridge, Leonard in the keepers group. Though all except Lillard I'd be willing to move for the right deal.
All others are trade bait.

I'd try to resign Maynor and Elliot Williams and bring them back.
I'd draft BPA, targeting Shabazz, Plumlee or Robinson III with #12
I'd love to try to trade for Monta Ellis or Terrance Ross - either could push Matthews to the bench and a more healthy career.
 
RR7 said:
Would definitely be high risk, high reward. However, if we sent Matthews and Freeland for Gordon, see if Phoenix would do Leonard for Gortat to help their rebuild along. We can package Jeffries and Sasha's non-guaranteed deals to make it work. We'd fill out our starting lineup, use up our cap space, but still have the MLE to use, I believe. Can retain Hickson and Maynor as bench pieces if we so desired, and throw the full MLE at a scorer off the bench.

Lillard/Maynor
EG/FA/Barton
Batum/Claver
Aldridge/Hickson
Gortat/Hickson

Have the MLE and our lotto pick still to use. Go BPA with the pick, maybe another big off the bench?
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Don't think team gets a MLE if having cap space. They do get a room exception for about $2-$3M/year to offer once cap space is used up. Otherwise, it's just veteran minimums. Hickson will be too expensive for us to keep, unless we use our cap space for him which IMO would be foolish.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Which is what the ultimate goal should always be. Not necessarily the yearly goal though
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Yeah but then you turn around and say sign Evans. Are we talking Tyeke? Do you really think he is a piece on a championship team? I assume you have him slotted to come off the bench. I think I would rather have Wes come off the bench. He may not be ideal, but I really do not understand the love around here for Evans. Every time I watch part of a King's game he is non-existent. Last night ... a whopping 1-7 . I don't get it.
 
RR7 said:
Would definitely be high risk, high reward. However, if we sent Matthews and Freeland for Gordon, see if Phoenix would do Leonard for Gortat to help their rebuild along. We can package Jeffries and Sasha's non-guaranteed deals to make it work. We'd fill out our starting lineup, use up our cap space, but still have the MLE to use, I believe. Can retain Hickson and Maynor as bench pieces if we so desired, and throw the full MLE at a scorer off the bench.

Lillard/Maynor
EG/FA/Barton
Batum/Claver
Aldridge/Hickson
Gortat/Hickson

Have the MLE and our lotto pick still to use. Go BPA with the pick, maybe another big off the bench?
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I like it! Hickson wont work though; but there are plenty of combo pf/c available. Then the cap space can be used to get another backup center and the rest for another sg.
 
Harry's Raincoat said:
Don't think team gets a MLE if having cap space. They do get a room exception for about $2-$3M/year to offer once cap space is used up. Otherwise, it's just veteran minimums. Hickson will be too expensive for us to keep, unless we use our cap space for him which IMO would be foolish.
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We would eat up the cap space in the two deals, enough to where we would have the mle. We would be retaining jj and maynor with bird rights.
 
RR7 said:
We would eat up the cap space in the two deals, enough to where we would have the mle. We would be retaining jj and maynor with bird rights.
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In this scenario; we wouldn't have good free agent money to grab a high profile free agent correct?
 
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