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Make the pick for the Future.....or trade it for 'now'?

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I'm coming around on Jalen Duren. He's probably my favorite outside the top 5 guys at this point.

I have my issues with him (physicality, consistent motor, defensive rebounding) but he looks like he'll be pretty versatile defensively and a really good finisher with some passing skill offensively. Reminds me of a bigger Robert Williams with more polish.

Has chance to drop to 8-10 as well with a lot of teams at the top having already invested in the center position.
 
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Just did a glance of nbadraft using the wayback machine to see who they had ranked #1 on or around Feb 14 of each yr because I apparently have too much time on my hands.

2021: Suggs; Cunningham ranked 4th.
2020: Edwards
2019: Zion
2018: Ayton
2017: Fultz
2016: Simmons
2015: Okafor; Towns ranked 4th
2014: Embiid; Wiggins ranked 3rd
2013: Ben McLemore (!!); Cody Zeller 2nd; Anthony Bennet ranked 5th; Giannis unranked in top 60.
2012: Davis; Dame ranked 21st

They've predicted fairly well in most of these drafts of late.

(Griffin ahead of Banchero is... bold.)

This is their mock as of today:
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JDC said:
I'm coming around on Jalen Duren. He's probably my favorite outside the top 5 guys at this point.

I have my issues with him (physicality, consistent motor, defensive rebounding) but he looks like he'll be pretty versatile defensively along and really good finisher with some passing skill offensively. Reminds me of a bigger Robert Williams with more polish.

Has chance to drop to 8-10 as well with a lot of teams at the top having already invested in the center position.
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Was wondering about him as well. I also noticed the lack of physicality; based on his size and physique, he looks like he should be throwing down everything whenever he's near the rim, but he seems to play smaller than his size. Reminds me of Nurk in that way.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Was wondering about him as well. I also noticed the lack of physicality; based on his size and physique, he looks like he should be throwing down everything whenever he's near the rim, but he seems to play smaller than his size. Reminds me of Nurk in that way.
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Yeah it's interesting.

The numbers around the rim look great (44 dunks, 78.3% around the rim) but he definitely feels like he should be more dominant there. Still 18 years old though and has put on 20lbs in just over year so I think he's still learning how to use his frame.

Memphis also doesn't have a great pnr playmaker and pretty poor spacing.
 
If we have picks 8 & 9 and come out of the draft with TyTy Washington and Max Christie, when Murray, Agbaji and Sharpe are still hypothetically available, I would really question who made that decision. Not sure about Sharpe's defense, but the other two are as solid of two-way players as there is in the draft.
 
Any of y'all CBB experts have a decent read on Arizona forward Azuolas Tubelis? Seems like he's got NBA size and skills, but he's basically non-existent on draft boards. Is it just an athleticism issue?
 
One more game to the All-Star break, and then Cronin & Co need to do something to institute tanking procedures.
 
TBpup said:
One more game to the All-Star break, and then Cronin & Co need to do something to institute tanking procedures.
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I said last week that we needed General Jerami Grant as our tank commander. Now we see the proof.
 
I'm enjoying how Portland is playing and am generally rooting to wins during the games

but I'm also aware of the big picture and know that every win reduces the chances the Blazers get a high draft pick as well as getting 2 lottery picks
 
wizenheimer said:
I'm enjoying how Portland is playing and am generally rooting to wins during the games

but I'm also aware of the big picture and know that every win reduces the chances the Blazers get a high draft pick as well as getting 2 lottery picks
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I’m going with rooting for wins if it’s close, but being happily content if it’s not
 
blazerfan11 said:
"Por @ MIL - schedule loss if I've ever seen one."
Safe to say, you negative people probably won't be scheduling any more losses until the game is over.
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I, for one, am definitely looking forward to the parade for that massive, sans-Giannis win!
 
Question for everyone (in bold):

Say we get picks #10 and #12, are you inclined to trade one or both picks at all? We still have the TPE. Not a lot of guys I can think of that fits the TPE (around $20m if I’m not mistaken?). One guy that I would be very interested in though would be very risky. But Jonathan Isaac makes something like $17.5m the next 3 seasons, so he would fit the TPE. I know he hasn’t played since tearing his ACL in the bubble, but from a lot of Orlando-related content I’ve seen, the Magic are just being over-precautious of him while they are tanking. Obviously, he’d have to pass all physicals to make the trade happen, but would you consider doing Isaac for #12 and #40? I think the Magic especially do this if they fall out of the top 3. Their own pick and #12 and their own 2nd likely gets them any player they want by draft night.

Imo, Isaac is better than any forward outside of the top 3 in this year’s draft. A healthy Isaac locks up one of your starting forward spots for the future. That’s a high risk high reward trade I look at on draft night.

Regarding forwards in the draft outside of the top 3, Eason screams Chauncey-system guy, I’m getting to a point where I’d almost be surprised if he’s not a Blazer. With #10, I think you’re likely to land him.
 
illmatic99 said:
Just did a glance of nbadraft using the wayback machine to see who they had ranked #1 on or around Feb 14 of each yr because I apparently have too much time on my hands.

2021: Suggs; Cunningham ranked 4th.
2020: Edwards
2019: Zion
2018: Ayton
2017: Fultz
2016: Simmons
2015: Okafor; Towns ranked 4th
2014: Embiid; Wiggins ranked 3rd
2013: Ben McLemore (!!); Cody Zeller 2nd; Anthony Bennet ranked 5th; Giannis unranked in top 60.
2012: Davis; Dame ranked 21st

They've predicted fairly well in most of these drafts of late.

(Griffin ahead of Banchero is... bold.)

This is their mock as of today:
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They have us drafting a PG and a SG, so they're probably right.
 
BankTeller said:
Question for everyone (in bold):

Say we get picks #10 and #12, are you inclined to trade one or both picks at all? We still have the TPE. Not a lot of guys I can think of that fits the TPE (around $20m if I’m not mistaken?). One guy that I would be very interested in though would be very risky. But Jonathan Isaac makes something like $17.5m the next 3 seasons, so he would fit the TPE. I know he hasn’t played since tearing his ACL in the bubble, but from a lot of Orlando-related content I’ve seen, the Magic are just being over-precautious of him while they are tanking. Obviously, he’d have to pass all physicals to make the trade happen, but would you consider doing Isaac for #12 and #40? I think the Magic especially do this if they fall out of the top 3. Their own pick and #12 and their own 2nd likely gets them any player they want by draft night.

Imo, Isaac is better than any forward outside of the top 3 in this year’s draft. A healthy Isaac locks up one of your starting forward spots for the future. That’s a high risk high reward trade I look at on draft night.

Regarding forwards in the draft outside of the top 3, Eason screams Chauncey-system guy, I’m getting to a point where I’d almost be surprised if he’s not a Blazer. With #10, I think you’re likely to land him.
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Yes, if healthy I think Isaac would be a great add. As I recall, Grant (even after July 1st) is also within 100K of the TPE, so I imagine he's the FO's primary target with that, but yes, the swap you recommend would not displease me.
 
Jalen Duren would be a dope little project for Billups. Athletic freak, could be another Nas but at C/PF. Cronin definitely seems like a high ceiling type so I could see that were they in position to pick him.
 
Maybe this has been answered before, but how are lottery picks determined? Is it by who makes the playoffs, or is it by regular season record? What I’m asking is would we lose our pick if we made the playoffs as a 9th/10th seed?
 
Scalma said:
Maybe this has been answered before, but how are lottery picks determined? Is it by who makes the playoffs, or is it by regular season record? What I’m asking is would we lose our pick if we made the playoffs as a 9th/10th seed?
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It's by who makes the playoffs. The teams outside the playoffs looking in will be slotted 1-14 according to their regular season record. That will determine lottery odds and after the lottery it will determine the draft order 5-14

We would lose our pick if we made the playoffs even if we have the ninth worst record in the league. The highest that pick would be is 15.
 


Things this guy can do athletically is elite. Give him to Billups and he’ll turn him into a top player. He’s the guy I want the most, not including any of the top 3 we have no shot at
 
TBpup said:
There is always talent in every Draft. Some have more than others. It's just a matter of finding it.
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The operative words there are “every draft.” We’re gonna have to give a lottery pick to Chicago unless we make the playoffs every year for the next six plus years or whatever. If there’s a draft to sacrifice a non top 3 lottery pick, it’s this one.
 
Scalma said:
The operative words there are “every draft.” We’re gonna have to give a lottery pick to Chicago unless we make the playoffs every year for the next six plus years or whatever. If there’s a draft to sacrifice a non top 3 lottery pick, it’s this one.
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With the protections, we would never give Chicago a Lottery pick. And with Dame coming back next year, we damn well better not be in a Top-3 Lottery pick position for the next few years. A Top-3 pick is an asset no matter what the amount of talent. We are already bad this year....I believe we should take advantage. We've been in this position before only to go on a big winning streak, scrape into the Playoffs, and then get drubbed.

Lose games, get the high pick, use it as an asset, and give up a #20s pick to Chicago next year versus, get no asset and get our own 20's pick next year. One of those seems better than the other since we aren't going anywhere this year anyhow.
 
TBpup said:
With the protections, we would never give Chicago a Lottery pick. And with Dame coming back next year, we damn well better not be in a Top-3 Lottery pick position for the next few years. A Top-3 pick is an asset no matter what the amount of talent.
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Portland is 9.5 games behind the 3rd worst record, it’s not realistic whatsoever. They’re closer to a top 6 seed than they are to a top 3 pick.
 
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