Keith Olbermann's New Special Comment

[crowTrobot]

Thanks. I lived there for three years and visited there this Spring. What would you like to know?

good for you. i'd like to know what it is about christian "values" that makes the US a better place to live.

For the record, you don't need to steal when everyone is more or less in the same boat as you are--it's tough to find someone with a lot better shit than you have.

how's the poverty level?

In terms of education, you're only required to go to 9th grade, but almost everyone (80%+) attend gymnasium, which is like a three year HS. A lower percentage of Swedes graduate from university than do people in the US.

i thought i'd read surveys that say different, but i'll take your word for it on that. the quality of education in the US certainly isn't competetive with more secular countries world-wide. i can point you to surveys that show that to be painfully obvious.

I don't really understand how crime rate and pregnancy have to do with standard of living.

again, i was responding to the argument that was made that societies will degenerate into social chaos without religious values.

Honor your father and your mother?

You shall not murder?

You shall not commit adultery?

You shall not steal?

You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor?

You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife?

You shall not covet anything that belongs to your neighbour?

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you?

Those sound pretty good to me. And what values do you live by?

with the possible exception of adultery those are all common sense social values shared by more secular countries and derived by many non-christian moral philsophers independant of judeo-christianity. and they have nothing to do with gay marriage rights.

 

[The Sebastian Express]

It could be because I have a sister who is a lesbian that is out of her fucking mind. Just a thought.

Unenlightened is such a nice way of saying that you are better than me.

I don't know how to put this to you in a nice way so I will just say what I think.

I don't care if people of the same sex have brains that are wired wrong and that this makes them want to fuck each other. I really truly and honestly don't. How many times can I say this? I don't care if they fuck watermelons. Or blenders. Whatever floats your boat.

What I do care about is having to listen to their fake gay accents and their annoying over the top emotional gestures. I also think it funny that most gay men are prejudiced towards fat women on a level that Hitler would find offensive. The cool thing about flaming homosexuals is that they feel it is acceptable to tell a woman that she is too fat for certain clothing. That is actually something that needs to be said, but I digress.

I dislike that my sister wants me to pretend that her girlfriend's artificially created daughter is equally as important to me as my brother's actual daughter. I shouldn't say pretend, because my sister wants me to BELIEVE that. Which is kinda funny because my sister should know that even if I did tell her that I believed that I would obviously be lying. My sister can't stand that my family won't celebrate a girl that isn't hers as part of their own family. They accept that girl, and treat her as well as I would expect but they don't go running around bragging about it. (fuckin rednexx)

The last thing I will mention is something that makes people laugh when I tell them but isn't a joke. My sister wanted me to buy her "daughter" a birthday present. I asked her why I shouldn't just buy the neighborhood kids presents, as they are just as related to me as her "daughter" is.

<----my sister when I said that.

Okay I think I see the problem here. You're taking the most vocal part of the gay rights movement and assuming that the majority of gays are like that. That isn't true in my opinion. Most gays are just your average every day guy or gal who do your average every day kind of thing. These aren't people who have over the top stereotypical gay-lisps with limp wrists and are wearing hot pink vests with a neon lime sparkly skin-tight shirt underneath.

In my opinion that line of thinking is inaccurate, but is the current view because it is the most vocal and visible view. Please do not take the minor yet vocal group who reinforces negative stereotypes. It is just as unfortunate when people apply it to other vocal yet minor parts of groups. Not all Christians are homophobes and hate-mongers, not all Mormons are sect-leading polygamists, not all African-Americans are thugs with grills in their mouths, not all Mexicans are illegal or have a car that is a low-rider blasting out fiesta music, not all rednecks are racist, etc.

Please do not take a limited view on groups just because it is the most in your face.

 

[bodyman5001]

Okay I think I see the problem here. You're taking the most vocal part of the gay rights movement and assuming that the majority of gays are like that. That isn't true in my opinion. Most gays are just your average every day guy or gal who do your average every day kind of thing. These aren't people who have over the top stereotypical gay-lisps with limp wrists and are wearing hot pink vests with a neon lime sparkly skin-tight shirt underneath.

In my opinion that line of thinking is inaccurate, but is the current view because it is the most vocal and visible view. Please do not take the minor yet vocal group who reinforces negative stereotypes. It is just as unfortunate when people apply it to other vocal yet minor parts of groups. Not all Christians are homophobes and hate-mongers, not all Mormons are sect-leading polygamists, not all African-Americans are thugs with grills in their mouths, not all Mexicans are illegal or have a car that is a low-rider blasting out fiesta music, not all rednecks are racist, etc.

Please do not take a limited view on groups just because it is the most in your face.

Sorry, can't help it. If your house was infested with termites, you might not know it for a long time. If you saw one big hairy spider crawling on your bed, you might hire an exterminator right away. You might find the termites as a result of the spider. Just human nature IMO.

I know that the stereoptypical gay person I mentioned doesn't represent all of them. You might not believe this but I know about 10-15 gay men. (my girlfriend works with them DaRizzle, so you can't use that against me)

Anyway, the regular Joe type of gay guy HATES the flaming gays (in my experience)

NOTHING in life is always what it seems, there are tall Chinese people, that doesn't make them all tall.

 

[The Sebastian Express]

I can understand that. I just think it is very unfortunate that all the good gets thrown in with the tiny bit of bad, but such is way of life I suppose.

 

[KingSpeed]

Why don't we let people marry barnyard animals as well?

That's insulting. That is so not the same thing at all.

 

[bodyman5001]

That's insulting. That is so not the same thing at all.

No way, it is literally the same thing.

Barnyard animals are all homosexual.

 

[Furball]

I agree with Eric on this one. I'm against gay marriage because I believe the Bible is the truth and the way. But I'm sick of people comparing gay marriage to marrying a barnyard animal. To me this is a bigoted and ignorant way of thinking.

James Madison, who was the main author of the constitution was a strong Christian and believed that with out faith America was doomed to failure. Our country was founded on Christian values. We believe in allowing people to practice what ever faith they chose without persecution. Not allowing Gays to marry is not persecution. Ask the Muslims how they feel about Gay marriage. They would hang you in soccer stadiums. Christians are not forcing our values on gays, we just don't feel that laws should be changed to accomodate a lifestyle choice.

 

[crowTrobot]

I agree with Eric on this one. I'm against gay marriage because I believe the Bible is the truth and the way. But I'm sick of people comparing gay marriage to marrying a barnyard animal. To me this is a bigoted and ignorant way of thinking.

forcing your religious values on someone who doesn't share them isn't any less bigoted than talking about barnyard animals.

James Madison, who was the main author of the constitution was a strong Christian and believed that with out faith America was doomed to failure.

and thomas jefferson who was the main author of the declaration of independance was a die-hard secular deist. what's your point?

Our country was founded on Christian values.

it was founded with a nod to our judeo-christian heritage in the form of ritual, but the values themselves were specifically formulated by the founding fathers to be secular. religious freedom is a secular value.

We believe in allowing people to practice what ever faith they chose without persecution. Not allowing Gays to marry is not persecution.

and you can't see the blatant contradiction right there in consecutive sentences? you believe in allowing people to practice whatever they want, as long as it doesn't contradict YOUR belief?

Ask the Muslims how they feel about Gay marriage. They would hang you in soccer stadiums.

pointing to something worse doesn't justify what you're doing.

Christians are not forcing our values on gays

how are you not?

we just don't feel that laws should be changed to accomodate a lifestyle choice.

you just changed one in california.

 

[Furball]

Revisionist. A judge, not the people changed the law. Crowbot, I pray for you to find your way. I'm serious. Take a day out of your life to go to a Christian church and listen. Look around. I hope you find what most of us Christians have found.

 

[crowTrobot]

Revisionist. A judge, not the people changed the law.

well if you want to be accurate the state house, senate, and supreme court changed a law, and the people just changed it back. the point was most people voting against gay marriage are motivated by their religious values. the notion that it's simply a matter of not wanting to change existing laws to accomodate lifestyle choice is nonsense.

Crowbot, I pray for you to find your way. I'm serious. Take a day out of your life to go to a Christian church and listen. Look around. I hope you find what most of us Christians have found.

you assume i haven't been there. i have, for 17 years. then i grew up and became a rational adult.

 

[Furball]

you will come back, eventually. Don't wait too long.

 

[crowTrobot]

you will come back, eventually. Don't wait too long.

nah if i were going to join a religion again it would have to be something with more promiscuous hard partying.

 

[Minstrel]

nah if i were going to join a religion again it would have to be something with more promiscuous hard partying.

CrowTrobot, I pray for you to find your way. I'm serious. Take a day out of your life to go to a Church of Bacchus and listen. Look around. I hope you find what most of us Bacchanalians have found.

Which is promiscuity and hard partying.

 

[julius]

CrowTrobot, I pray for you to find your way. I'm serious. Take a day out of your life to go to a Church of Bacchus and listen. Look around. I hope you find what most of us Bacchanalians have found.

Which is promiscuity and hard partying.

When did Mr Howell get his own church?

 

[Haakzilla]

I hope you find what most of us Christians have found.

...gold at the end of the rainbow???

 

[crandc]

bodyman gets the "award" for the most hateful post on this or any other location I have ever seen on any subject.

No, I am not going to quote it. I don't cite filth.

I really feel sorry for your sister, bodyman. Must suck to have a family member who hates her and her children, not because of anything reprehensible they have done, but simply because they exist. Their crime is being alive, isn't it?

The mask has come off. No more bullshit about "I am not a bigot" or "I don't hate gays". Or even "I'm for equal rights as long as you're not, you know, too equal".

Bodyman has answered Keith Olberman, that's for sure. Olberman asked "what is it to you?" Bodyman answered he wants the people he hates to be miserable. Olberman said "it's about the human heart". Bodyman says gay men and lesbians don't have hearts, just twisted brains and gonads.

And we're not human.

 

[julius]

And we're not human.

But I'm sure he doesn't mind watching the porn that lesbians make.

 

[crandc]

But I'm sure he doesn't mind watching the porn that lesbians make.

No, he won't watch real lesbian porn. He will watch porn for straight men in which the two women decide the MAN is what they really wanted.

 

[bodyman5001]

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. I knew you couldn't resist.

Before you go judging me why don't you ask me a question about my sister? I have hated her since I was ten years old, she is the most selfish scummy piece of crap that walks the Earth. She wasn't a lesbian then. So you lose.

edit, she said she liked boys when I was a kid.

 

[MickZagger]

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. I knew you couldn't resist.

Before you go judging me why don't you ask me a question about my sister? I have hated her since I was ten years old, she is the most selfish scummy piece of crap that walks the Earth. She wasn't a lesbian then. So you lose.

edit, she said she liked boys when I was a kid.

Holding grudges since with your sister since the age of 10? Sounds like you've never grown up. What did she steal your seat at Ramblin' Rod?

 

[MARIS61]

And what kind of name for a children's tv show is "Ramblin' Rod" anyway?

 

[julius]

No, he won't watch real lesbian porn. He will watch porn for straight men in which the two women decide the MAN is what they really wanted.

Wait, are you telling me that there's lesbian porn and REAL lesbian porn?

 

[bodyman5001]

No, he won't watch real lesbian porn. He will watch porn for straight men in which the two women decide the MAN is what they really wanted.

You insult me by saying I watch good porn? You really have a horribly twisted view of the world. It makes me sad.

Weird how there are whole groups of lesbians who dress like men, wait....I must have imagined that.

 

[bodyman5001]

bodyman gets the "award" for the most hateful post on this or any other location I have ever seen on any subject.

No, I am not going to quote it. I don't cite filth.

I really feel sorry for your sister, bodyman. Must suck to have a family member who hates her and her children, not because of anything reprehensible they have done, but simply because they exist. Their crime is being alive, isn't it?

The mask has come off. No more bullshit about "I am not a bigot" or "I don't hate gays". Or even "I'm for equal rights as long as you're not, you know, too equal".

Bodyman has answered Keith Olberman, that's for sure. Olberman asked "what is it to you?" Bodyman answered he wants the people he hates to be miserable. Olberman said "it's about the human heart". Bodyman says gay men and lesbians don't have hearts, just twisted brains and gonads.

And we're not human.

Hey, get the Mods to give me a free pass and I will tell you what I REALLY think about homosexuals. I dont' wanna get banned because I come here for the basketball.

 

[bodyman5001]

i'm only bigoted against religious bigots who think their personal religious values should be forced on a secular society. otherwise i love everybody : )

What personal values do you have that gives you the right to be bigoted against other bigots?

Crandc can't figure out that I hate everyone. I have hate in my heart. I hate waiting in line even. I hate everything. (the cool thing is that I am the happiest person most people know)

I went to Sweet Tomatoes a month ago and they didn't have Saltine crackers to go with the soup. The waitress said they ordered some and they would be there in a week. I had visions of ripping the employees arms off and beating them with their own arms.




Some punk ass skater kids of about eleven years of age rang my doorbell Saturday night at 9:30 PM and ran off. I chased the sons of bitches down my street. Then I notice some punk ass skater kids sitting behind my neighbors car in the dark thinking that I couldn't see them.

Well, I scared the holy crap out of them and they won't be coming 'round here no more! (stayed up late with the lights off just to make sure they didn't come tag my house...they didn't or you would have seen me on the news)

I am just a bad motherfucker...shut your mouth. I'm just talking 'bout me.