Ken Berger say Blazers ready to rebuild (sources inside organization)

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MickZagger said:
Grizzlies wanted Marc Gasol and the future picks in that deal. The expirings were hardly the selling point on that deal.

Didn't read enough about the Jefferson situation to remember one way or the other how that went down.
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The Gasol trade was all about the cost saving. Gasol and LA's crappy picks were the icing for Heisley. It's revisionist to suggest otherwise.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/4417/where-to-pau-gasol

In the meantime, the Grizzlies are a team that needs to watch its pennies, and Gasols do not come cheap. His contract -- by far the biggest on the Memphis books -- calls for big money all the way into 2011.
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Al Jefferson was had for "free" by Utah because the Jazz had a huge trade exception by agreeing to sign-and-trade Boozer to the Bulls.
 
RoyToy said:
Two years after being named GM he had the Blazers as a 4th seed in the playoffs. That's pretty much success right there.

If you want argue he didn't get the team into elite status that's one thing. You can't argue he didn't rebuild the team and turn it around. Two straight trips the playoffs sounds like successful rebuilding to me and the Blazers are certainly good enough to make it to the playoffs for a 3rd straight year.

Sac/Min/etc would kill for that.
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Don't get me wrong, I was pretty upset when KP was fired. However, he isn't infallible as some would believe.

Not using RLEC was a mistake.
Hedo would have been a HUGE mistake.
The Claver pick was a waste.

Heck, it's debatable if the draft KP is most renowned for (06) was his doing or Patterson. It also seems he rolled the dice on players with checkered injury histories and while the strategy worked for a while, now seems to be coming up snake eyes.
 
The Kevin Love ship has sailed.

What young players out there could you realistically add to this new younger core?
 
MrSelfDestruct said:
Don't get me wrong, I was pretty upset when KP was fired. However, he isn't infallible as some would believe.

Not using RLEC was a mistake.
Hedo would have been a HUGE mistake.
The Claver pick was a waste.

Heck, it's debatable if the draft KP is most renowned for (06) was his doing or Patterson. It also seems he rolled the dice on players with checkered injury histories and while the strategy worked for a while, now seems to be coming up snake eyes.
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Wasn't a great market for the RLEC. Best trade there was no trade imo, money carried over into offseason where the Blazers used it to sign Miller(although they wanted Hedo).

Hedo was the best FA iirc so there's the RLEC for you. Who knows how it works in Portland but I'm glad he's not here and never wanted him.

Claver was looked at as a future lottery pick if he came out later. KP took a risk and went with the huge upside. That's just KP's style.

There was a press release after that 2006 draft where Mike Barrett reported that he heard from Paul Allen that the 2006 draft was all Kevin Pritchard. Pretty clear cut right there. And yeah, he's a risk taker. In the end in 2 years after being named GM he had this team as the 4th seed in the playoffs and the Blazers started rebuilding basically when the Kings and Wolves did. Even the Clippers. The Blazers are worlds ahead of them right now and it's because of KP.
 
I'm for this. I don't think we're a playoff team right now, and I think we should move guys like Miller, Camby, and Joel to add some more young talent to Batum, Matthews, and Aldridge. If Oden pans out, great, but he's not part of the longterm plans. Roy is a question mark, but also not part of the longterm plans. I would look to add either a young stud at point guard (wish we had gotten Collison) or a post scorer. I don't see any reason to keep guys like Camby or Miller on the team if we're not going to compete. I'd rather play guys like Patty, Batum, and Johnson. See if they're really what we think they are.
 
MIXUM said:
well if this season wa$nt bad enough... blazer fans have now been told get ready to be lower theN twolves. fuck you paul allen.


• With the Trail Blazers' obvious struggles and the health challenges (that's putting it mildly) of Greg Oden and Brandon Roy, two people with knowledge of the team's strategy told CBSSports.com that Portland management is contemplating trading older players and going young. The obvious targets for such a purge would be Marcus Camby (36), Andre Miller (34), and Joel Przybilla (31). Roy isn’t old, but his knees are -- though one of the sources said Portland would find no takers for the five years and $82.3 million remaining on Roy's contract, given the state of his meniscus-less knees. Przybilla ($7.4 million expiring contract) and Miller (whose $7.8 million salary in 2011-12 is fully non-guaranteed) are eminently moveable. Another candidate to be dealt, though not because of age or health, is Rudy Fernandez, who has wanted out of Portland for some time. Sources caution that the Blazers have engaged in only internal conversations about this strategy, and it is contingent upon the team (10-11) continuing to struggle. But the writing certainly is on the wall for major changes in Portland.


oh good, we can try sean marks at center for the next 61 games. poor camby. so basically if we come out of this trip 10-16.... its over.
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Fuk you Mixum seems more appropriate, this is about the best we can do, get a clue
 
really? best we can do?

so we are getting a young stud pg???? ahahaha. cho is gonna do this????? ahahahahahahaha
 
Teams that go for a complete tear down tend to be out of the picture for a long, long time, despite the popular notion that lots of lottery balls is a great situation to build from.

So I hope that's not the plan. Dealing older players is reasonable assuming they get back players of at least similar value, with more of that value weighted for the future rather than the present. Trading anyone, whether they be older players, Roy or Aldridge, for pennies on the dollar just to reduce the salary structure and sink in the standings would be a terrible idea, IMO.
 
sounds like they wanna get younger but that could mean rebuilding

and we whiffed on collison ... which tells me cho sucks
 
Denver wants more of a proven younger player.

New Jersey wants Melo.

We're in rebuild mode.

I'd package LaMarcus/picks in this three-way for Derrick Favors and see if we get Denver to bite.
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
Denver wants more of a proven younger player.

New Jersey wants Melo.

We're in rebuild mode.

I'd package LaMarcus/picks in this three-way for Derrick Favors and see if we get Denver to bite.
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Sounds good to me.
 
derrick favors.... oh my fucking god. you guys are unreal. maybe we can get flynn while we are at it or wes johnson.
 
Favors is raw. But, he's going to be a helluva player when he puts it all together. He's already showing glimpses of it. He's a true PF too, not some softy that shoots face-up jumpers all day and is allergic to rebounding.
 
yeah he sucks.

kust like the fools who want to rebuild. those same guys also thought nash was a good gm.
 
yep its official.

blazer fans are going back to the words "potential" oh boy....

somewhere i see bassy, ha, the russians, outlaw in a blazers poster smiling. talk about not learning your lesson

all these same posters said i was a troll/nuts when i said this team wasnt great and now they want to start from scratch. wrong again
 
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i think all those guys like favors sucks balls
 
ive seen him play and walked away unimpressed... as most of the nets fanbase
 
Natebishop3 said:
I'm for this. I don't think we're a playoff team right now, and I think we should move guys like Miller, Camby, and Joel to add some more young talent to Batum, Matthews, and Aldridge. If Oden pans out, great, but he's not part of the longterm plans. Roy is a question mark, but also not part of the longterm plans. I would look to add either a young stud at point guard (wish we had gotten Collison) or a post scorer. I don't see any reason to keep guys like Camby or Miller on the team if we're not going to compete. I'd rather play guys like Patty, Batum, and Johnson. See if they're really what we think they are.
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Huh? He's a max player for the next 5 years, isn't he? How do you not take this into account for the 'long-term' plan.
 
they (mclueless, fez, bishop) are so lost... dont bother arguing
 
Natebishop3 said:
Collison was had for table scraps. It can be done.
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Please don't bring that up. Cho was probably charged with trying to find the best hotel rates for road trips on expedia.com while experienced GMs were vying to trade for Collison.
 
yep. we didnt miss the boat.... we missed the cruise ship on that one. collison was exactly what we needed and what they are talking about doing in bergers article. getting younger and competing
 
how much you wanna bet that mclueless owned a bassy jersey or said vicktor was our future SF?
 
BGrantFan said:
Huh? He's a max player for the next 5 years, isn't he? How do you not take this into account for the 'long-term' plan.
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Okay so you're saying he's part of the plan because his contract says he'll be here for five years, but

A) we don't know that for sure

and

B) Just because he's on the team doesn't mean he's part of "the plan". Darius Miles was on the team for years, but wasn't part of the longterm plan. We have no idea what Roy's future holds, so we can't assume that he's going to be a part of the future here.
 
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