Kevin Love - Possible?

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The Cavs want to contend for the championship. They don't want to waste the last year or few years of LeBron's ability.

I don't see them trading one of their big 3 for lesser pieces or draft picks. They're going to want at least an all-star or near all-star caliber player in return for Love.
Love would not be an All-Star in the West. Paul George didn't even make it. CJ would be an All-Star in the East. All it proves is the east is weak. So if you (the other team) is holding out for an All-Star because they think they have one then good luck to them because that package isn't coming. There are many players who are all-star caliber in one conference or the other that won't ever make it.
 
The Cavs want to contend for the championship. They don't want to waste the last year or few years of LeBron's ability.

I don't see them trading one of their big 3 for lesser pieces or draft picks. They're going to want at least an all-star or near all-star caliber player in return for Love.

They no longer have a big 3. They have a big 2 and the Big 1 wants number 2 traded.

BNM
 
Curious what you guys think. Who has more trade value, Love or CJ?
Those saying CJ are complete homers. Other GMs see the same issues we see game-in and game-out from CJ. He's a great 1 on 1 (or 1 on 3) player, but he struggles finding the open man & is a sieve on defense.

Love is not without his warts too, but I think he does more to actually help a TEAM win long term.
 
Those saying CJ are complete homers. Other GMs see the same issues we see game-in and game-out from CJ. He's a great 1 on 1 (or 1 on 3) player, but he struggles finding the open man & is a sieve on defense.

Love is not without his warts too, but I think he does more to actually help a TEAM win long term.
Call me a complete homer, if you will, but Love has somehow alienated teammates, which lowers his trade value. CJ's shown himself to be an elite shooter at multiple levels, and can create his own shot, which gives him value offensively over Love. Love is really no better on defense than CJ. Plus CJ's younger and locked up for longer. All of these are aspects that elevate CJ's value over Love's, I believe.
 
They no longer have a big 3. They have a big 2 and the Big 1 wants number 2 traded.

BNM
Can someone give me the readers digest version of why exactly Kevin Love is so unloved by Lebron? I'd appreciate it.

:cheers:
 
The Cavs want to contend for the championship. They don't want to waste the last year or few years of LeBron's ability.

I don't see them trading one of their big 3 for lesser pieces or draft picks. They're going to want at least an all-star or near all-star caliber player in return for Love.

Serious question to you and others: Does Cleveland re-sign Isaiah Thomas (turns 29 next month) if LBJ leaves?

You see a championship contender. I see Humpty Dumpty who is falling and about to hit the ground.
Cavs rotation players 25 and under: ZERO.
Cavs building block pieces: Zizic? Brooklyn draft pick (ouch!)

If they can trade Love for a younger player who can contribute at all, I think they jump on it, especially if they
can get a younger player and a draft pick.
 
Please help that miserable lonely white man out, get him out of Cleveland before he gets smacked by that manlet IT. It's heartbreaking they can't handle his white shyness, his whatever man I'm going home bud we can have a chat in the morning or whatever goofy shit he did vs Oklahoma. Save this man.
 
Serious question to you and others: Does Cleveland re-sign Isaiah Thomas (turns 29 next month) if LBJ leaves?

You see a championship contender. I see Humpty Dumpty who is falling and about to hit the ground.
Cavs rotation players 25 and under: ZERO.
Cavs building block pieces: Zizic? Brooklyn draft pick (ouch!)

If they can trade Love for a younger player who can contribute at all, I think they jump on it, especially if they
can get a younger player and a draft pick.

Not sure, but I do think they have to go balls out to win this season if they want to keep LeBron.
 
Cleveland 100% has to do something unless they like the idea of Lebron leaving them again. And my bet is he goes to Spurs which makes Kawhi happy and the rest of the West really unhappy.
 
Isaiah Thomas, Love, LeBron makes 3.

Isaiah Thomas has barely played and when he has, he's been VERY underwhelming. He's not the same player he was last year in BOS. Whether that's injuries, poor fit, or both, a player with a PER = 13.8, a TS% of .508 who is a sieve on defense can hardly be considered the member of anybody's "Big 3"..

I'm sure CLE hoped he'd be a major contributor, but tight now, the BRK pick is looking like the only thing of value CLE got from BOS in the Kyrie Irving trade. Crowder and IT have both been terrible in CLE, while Kyrie has led BOS to the best record in the East.

BNM
 
And my bet is he goes to Spurs which makes Kawhi happy and the rest of the West really unhappy.

If he plans to sign for the MLE, perhaps. The Spurs have no real cap room after re-signing Mills and Gasol last off-season.
 
I'm sure CLE hoped he'd be a major contributor, but tight now, the BRK pick is looking like the only thing of value CLE got from BOS in the Kyrie Irving trade.

And even that Brooklyn pick, which was supposed to be a golden ticket, is starting to look like a mid-lottery pick rather than a pick that will land a franchise player (barring huge lottery luck).
 
Can someone give me the readers digest version of why exactly Kevin Love is so unloved by Lebron? I'd appreciate it.

:cheers:

He seems to be the scape goat for CLE's defensive problems. Sure, his defense sucks, but they knew that when they traded for him. He wasn't brought to CLE to be a defensive monster. He was brought there to score and rebound, which is exactly what he's doing.

It seems hilariously ironic that his teammates called a team meeting to call him out, immediately after they collectively gave up 148 points in a regulation game. Talk about a lack of self awareness...

CLE lacks a rim protector. That's not Love's fault. They are playing him out of position at center. Their roster is OLD and full of holes. Crowder has been a TERRIBLE fit. J.R. Smith and Iman Shumpert have been worthless. Wade is a solid back up, but not close to the star he once was. Jeff Green, the guy nobody really expected much from, has been the third best player on their team this season.

Regardless who they start at PG (Calderon, Rose or Thomas), they have ZERO on-the-ball defense from that position. They get beat off the dribble, leaving Love as the last line of defense between the rim and the Russell Westbrooks, Steph Curries, John Walls, Kyrie Irvings, Damian Lillards, and Chris Pauls of the world. How can anyone think that's going to end well?

They are what they are - a poorly constructed OLD roster and a locker room full of drama queens and idiots. As far as this season goes, they got fleeced in the Kryie Irving trade. They need another trade (or two) to balance out the roster. Ideally, that would mean bringing in a real center, moving Love back to PF, James and SF and Crowder to the bench. However, given their tendency to go for the big names over what they actually need, they will probably end up trading Love for another big name and still have the same problems. Guess they'll have to find a new scape goat.

BNM
 
Seems like Lebron might not be a very good teammate/general manager?
 
Seems like Lebron might not be a very good teammate/general manager?

He seems like a good teammate on the floor--he makes good decisions, is a great and willing passer--and potentially at least a problematic one off the court (subtweeting, passive aggressiveness, getting involved in teammate's futures with the team).
 
Isaiah Thomas has barely played and when he has, he's been VERY underwhelming. He's not the same player he was last year in BOS. Whether that's injuries, poor fit, or both, a player with a PER = 13.8, a TS% of .508 who is a sieve on defense can hardly be considered the member of anybody's "Big 3"..

I'm sure CLE hoped he'd be a major contributor, but tight now, the BRK pick is looking like the only thing of value CLE got from BOS in the Kyrie Irving trade. Crowder and IT have both been terrible in CLE, while Kyrie has led BOS to the best record in the East.

BNM

He is their 3rd star. They traded their 3rd star from last season for him. They consider him their third star.

We don't have a crystal ball to see if he can produce like last season or not. He's only played 8 games since coming back from his injury. Too small a sample.
 
And even that Brooklyn pick, which was supposed to be a golden ticket, is starting to look like a mid-lottery pick rather than a pick that will land a franchise player (barring huge lottery luck).

Yep, it's looking to be in the 6 - 8 range, but could end up as low as 10th.

BNM
 
If he plans to sign for the MLE, perhaps. The Spurs have no real cap room after re-signing Mills and Gasol last off-season.

They can find a way. Always happens. Dump a couple guys and they are on their way.
 
Start straight up CJ for Love. Add Davis as a scrappy Vet PF for Cleveland then see what else needs to come back to work financially.

I know it isn’t a 2K trade but it’s pretty close to even and done right saves us money. Lateral overall trade but it’s a step towards balancing the roster and Love would be ideal in Stotts system.
 
Start straight up CJ for Love. Add Davis as a scrappy Vet PF for Cleveland then see what else needs to come back to work financially.

I know it isn’t a 2K trade but it’s pretty close to even and done right saves us money. Lateral overall trade but it’s a step towards balancing the roster and Love would be ideal in Stotts system.

4 guards + Turner
1 forward + Harkless + Turner + Layman
5 centers
1 gleague forward

VS

3 guards + Turner
1 forward + Harkless + Turner + Layman
1 Love
4 Centers
1 gleague forward.

Yeah not sure that balances the roster away from the mass amount of bigs Portland has.
 
If you trade for Love then you start with Collins not CJ. I personally like both CJ and Collins but if you are giving up value for a Big then we need to move a Big. If you think Collins is a center and can play next to Love...then start with Nurk. (and of course filler in both scenarios)

And of course there is no way Love is worth moving both Collins AND CJ.
 
I think giving up Collins would be a huge mistake. He's showing alot of promise right now, he's cheap, and he isn't a valuble bargaining chip anyway. He has the potential to be a phenomenal player, he needs to be given some time. Fuck bundling up a promising rookie in a package with some scrubs and trading him away for some player past their prime.
 
I think giving up Collins would be a huge mistake. He's showing alot of promise right now, he's cheap, and he isn't a valuble bargaining chip anyway. He has the potential to be a phenomenal player, he needs to be given some time. Fuck bundling up a promising rookie in a package with some scrubs and trading him away for some player past their prime.

I agree that we should keep him. I disagree that he is not a valuable bargaining chip. If we can see his potential, so can other team's scouts.
 
4 guards + Turner
1 forward + Harkless + Turner + Layman
5 centers
1 gleague forward

VS

3 guards + Turner
1 forward + Harkless + Turner + Layman
1 Love
4 Centers
1 gleague forward.

Yeah not sure that balances the roster away from the mass amount of bigs Portland has.

Who plays center when Davis and Collins are in the game? Collins is a Stretch 4.
 
You aren’t getting a player of Love or Jordan’s caliber without giving up CJ and picks and other players.
Remind me again what Boogie (who is far-far-far-and-way a ridiculously more impactful and valuable player than DJ and Love, especially with the team issues) got just 11 months ago? Buddy Hield, 18mpg/9ppg Tyreke Evans, a 1st and a 2nd.
What did Melo (way more impactful than DJ and not much different than Love, either way) get? Dougie Fresh McDermott, Penis Kancer and a 2nd.

I won't even bring up CP3, Melo the first time, etc. Just the last 12 months. I'm not saying we have the horses to get one of those guys without CJ, I'm saying that there's NO WAY CJ goes straight up for Love or DJ, based on the last 12 months, much less with 1sts added.
 

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