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dviss1 said:
Who plays center when Davis and Collins are in the game? Collins is a Stretch 4.
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Man this post reminds me of the mass amount of posters arguing with me before the season started. About if Davis was a 4 or a 5...
I said he has a 5's game in a 4's body, as that was the scouting report for the draft and nothing had changed.
I was right about that.
I'd say 5-1 odds that I'm right about Collins being a natural 5 as well, with the ability to slide to the 4.
He's closer to Camby/Birdman, than he is Green/prime ibaka.
 
honkicracker said:
Man this post reminds me of the mass amount of posters arguing with me before the season started. About if Davis was a 4 or a 5...
I said he has a 5's game in a 4's body, as that was the scouting report for the draft and nothing had changed.
I was right about that.
I'd say 5-1 odds that I'm right about Collins being a natural 5 as well, with the ability to slide to the 4.
He's closer to Camby/Birdman, than he is Green/prime ibaka.
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Neither Camby nor Birdman could shoot outside of 15 feet (birdman like 5)

Collins is much more Dirkish on offense than a Camby.
 
dviss1 said:
Neither Camby nor Birdman could shoot outside of 15 feet (birdman like 5)

Collins is much more Dirkish on offense than a Camby.
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I'm telling you--Raef Lafrentz. Give him a couple years to bulk up, and that's what you'll see from Collins. And yes, he'll be able to play center, and do it well.
 
dviss1 said:
Neither Camby nor Birdman could shoot outside of 15 feet (birdman like 5)

Collins is much more Ibaka-ish on offense than a Camby.
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FTFY

Dirk is a HOFer with the meanest fadeaway known to man, Collins' offensive game doesn't even deserve to be in the same breath as Dirk.
 
jonnyboy said:
I think giving up Collins would be a huge mistake. He's showing alot of promise right now, he's cheap, and he isn't a valuble bargaining chip anyway. He has the potential to be a phenomenal player, he needs to be given some time. Fuck bundling up a promising rookie in a package with some scrubs and trading him away for some player past their prime.
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CLE doesn't want anything to do with a Collins for Love swap. They are in win now (or win yesterday, given the age of their roster) mode. They are trying desperately to win now to either hope another trip to the finals will convince LeBron not to leave, or possibly even catch lightning in a bottle and beat GSW again and win it all.

We all LOVE Collins potential, but he's years away from being a major contributor on a team with championship aspirations. If they move Love, it will have to be for a proven performer, not a skinny 20-year old rookie with potential. They'd need to replace Love's 19 ppg and 9.5 rpg, and ideally add some rim protection in the process. Collins can't come close to that.

They may be interested in Nurk, however. C.J. + Nurk puts them in position to upset GSW in the finals, but it's way too much for POR to give up to land Kevin Love - even if they included the BRK pick. That would replace Love's scoring, his rebounding and give them a defensive presence in the middle. Too bad they don't have anyone else besides LeBron we would want.

The only reasons Love is available are:

His teammates are dicks
He's their only valuable trading piece

BNM
 
dviss1 said:
Neither Camby nor Birdman could shoot outside of 15 feet (birdman like 5)

Collins is much more Dirkish on offense than a Camby.
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I've said multiple times over the past couple of months he can shoot. My apologies for missing it once...
Collins can shoot, but he's a defensive player first. He has those instincts which made Birdman & Camby NBA players.(which is what I was referring to)
I've yet to see Collins take someone one on one in an iso situation from 25ft like Dirk could as a rookie.
However he most certainly doesn't look like young dirk on offense. Not even close to young dirkish.

Still none of this changes the fact that he's a natural 5, who can slide over to the 4.
Until he shows he can do more than just spot up, and drive a close out he will continue to be a natural 5.
 
BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94 said:
FTFY

Dirk is a HOFer with the meanest fadeaway known to man, Collins' offensive game doesn't even deserve to be in the same breath as Dirk.
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Sigh... I said more Dirk than Camby. Make sense when you talk.
 
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honkicracker said:
I've said multiple times over the past couple of months he can shoot. My apologies for missing it once...
Collins can shoot, but he's a defensive player first. He has those instincts which made Birdman & Camby NBA players.(which is what I was referring to)
I've yet to see Collins take someone one on one in an iso situation from 25ft like Dirk could as a rookie.
However he most certainly doesn't look like young dirk on offense. Not even close to young dirkish.

Still none of this changes the fact that he's a natural 5, who can slide over to the 4.
Until he shows he can do more than just spot up, and drive a close out he will continue to be a natural 5.
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Guys... guys...

MORE Dirk THAN Camby....

There' snot a single person on the planet who plays like Dirk.
 
honkicracker said:
I've said multiple times over the past couple of months he can shoot. My apologies for missing it once...
Collins can shoot, but he's a defensive player first. He has those instincts which made Birdman & Camby NBA players.(which is what I was referring to)
I've yet to see Collins take someone one on one in an iso situation from 25ft like Dirk could as a rookie.
However he most certainly doesn't look like young dirk on offense. Not even close to young dirkish.

Still none of this changes the fact that he's a natural 5, who can slide over to the 4.
Until he shows he can do more than just spot up, and drive a close out he will continue to be a natural 5.
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Rookie Dirk shot 41% from field and 21% from three. Collins is better.
 
I actually think Love would be amazing on our team.... but the trick is getting him without giving up too much.
 
IMO Collins doesn’t have the dirk or markkanen shot, I don’t see him being a great 3 point shooter over his career, a capable one but not someone teams are fearful of.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I actually think Love would be amazing on our team.... but the trick is getting him without giving up too much.
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Collins/Turner/and 2 first rounders would get it done. It’s a lot but sounds like we are in win now mode for the remainder of Dame’s contract. Not a lot of time to develop rookies and free agents won’t come here so that leaves trades, might as well go all in, if it doesn’t work then we can do a real rebuild where we get 4 years of top 5 picks:)

The second pick is for taking turner in the trade.
 
KingSpeed said:
Rookie Dirk shot 41% from field and 21% from three. Collins is better.
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Their numbers are actually relatively close /36. Collins has a couple more rebounds (8 to 6), better 3pt (33% to 21%), but both hit 41% overall, ORTG of 95 and 92, DRTG of 104 and 106, with Dirk scoring 5 more pts. I agree that Dirk isn't the best comp. Dirk improved by being a better scorer. I think Collins will improve by being a better defender and rebounder.
 
dviss1 said:
Guys... guys...

MORE Dirk THAN Camby....

There' snot a single person on the planet who plays like Dirk.
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I have been on a Blazer message boards now for about 15 years....and you just can't use a great player in a comparison....without having to defend your complete thought process. Never fails.
 
If I'm Cleveland, I blow up the team. LeBron is gonna leave. They're not going to win the ring. I'd try to trade LeBron to a destination of his choice.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Man, talk about wayback machine.

His biggest contribution as a Blazer was the useless RLEC acronym.

ugh.

This is who we hope Zach aspires to? Hope we can do better than that.
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dviss1 said:
You do remember his ACL injury right? Maybe you don't. He was a monster before that.
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Precisely. Check out specifically how he produced his first few years in the league in Denver. 13/8 with 2.5 bpg and 37% from 3, during the slowest-paced era in league history. If we were getting that consistently from our PF spot, how good would this team be right now?
 
Natebishop3 said:
If I'm Cleveland, I blow up the team. LeBron is gonna leave. They're not going to win the ring. I'd try to trade LeBron to a destination of his choice.
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This is why we could get Love for a package centered around Collins/and pickS. Imagine a rebuild starting with Collins, the BKY pick, and 2 Blazer first rounders. That’s not horrible.
 
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