Kevin Pritchard's Open Letter To Blazer Fans

[Sug]

I have to wonder, who's taking the high-road here -- KP or PA?

To me it is pretty clear that PA has gone out of his way to not expose what actually happened.

 

[BGrantFan]

Yes, many of you have differing opinions about why it happened. But those that disagree with reality are wrong. There is an actual reason, or set of reasons, why he was fired.

barfo

So, what is the reality, other than Pritchard being fired? Because I do agree that Kevin was fired. Other than that, I doubt Pritchard even knows the reality of the private conversations Allen, Kolde, and the lackeys had about him outside of his presence when deciding to fire him.

So, we're back to opinions.

 

[BGrantFan]

To me it is pretty clear that PA has gone out of his way to not expose what actually happened.

Is that reality, though?

 

[noknobs]

No, the fact is that Pritchard was fired.

You're both right. It is a fact Pritchard was fired. What happened to get him fired is also a fact.

I'm sure many in the organization have differing opinions on why that happened

Well I'm sure everyone has an opinion, if they don't have the facts.

But one more fact you should be aware of is that Paul Allen fired him. Paul Allen does not have an opinion as to why he fired Pritchard. He knows for a fact why he did it.

 

[BGrantFan]

You're both right. It is a fact Pritchard was fired. What happened to get him fired is also a fact.



Well I'm sure everyone has an opinion, if they don't have the facts.

But one more fact you should be aware of is that Paul Allen fired him. Paul Allen does not have an opinion as to why he fired Pritchard. He knows for a fact why he did it.

I know that. He's the only one who truly knows that. Which makes it absurd that my opinion on Allen's blame can't differ from Pritchard's words in a letter. Perhaps Paul was jealous of Kevin, but gave Kevin reasons X, Y, and Z. Perhaps he didn't even tell Kevin why he was being fired. Unless Kevin Pritchard resides inside of Paul Allen's brain, he also is carrying an opinion concerning the fact or facts of why he was fired. If Kevin's opinion is that Paul isn't to blame, well, unless he can read Paul's mind, it's just an opinion. Perhaps if Kevin was even given a reason, it's not even the real reason.

Which means he doesn't have to be considered a liar, since it is impossible for him to have all of the facts.

 

[barfo]

So, what is the reality, other than Pritchard being fired? I doubt Pritchard even knows the reality of the private conversations Allen, Kolde, and the lackeys had about him when deciding to fire him.

The reality is what actually happened. Whatever KP did or didn't do, whatever X said to Y, whomever slept with who, who ended up at the bottom of the river, how many babies Paul ate, etc. That's reality.

Does KP know the whole story? Maybe not. Do you or I know the whole story? Certainly not. But that doesn't mean that reality doesn't exist, or that we should make up stories to fill the void in our knowledge and then insist that those stories are true. I'm not saying speculation isn't a good way to pass the time. But it's good to acknowledge that it is speculation and not something else.

barfo

 

[Sug]

BGMeltdown with a side of fries.

 

[BGrantFan]

The reality is what actually happened. Whatever KP did or didn't do, whatever X said to Y, whomever slept with who, who ended up at the bottom of the river, how many babies Paul ate, etc. That's reality.

Does KP know the whole story? Maybe not. Do you or I know the whole story? Certainly not. But that doesn't mean that reality doesn't exist, or that we should make up stories to fill the void in our knowledge and then insist that those stories are true. I'm not saying speculation isn't a good way to pass the time. But it's good to acknowledge that it is speculation and not something else.

barfo

What the fuck? I'm not insisting my opinion is the truth. I've made that point numerous times in this thread. This is why I keep using the word opinion when you keep using the word fact.

Whatever. Have a good one.

 

[BGrantFan]

BGMeltdown with a side of fries.

Meltdown? barfo and I are having a philosophical discussion, and it turns out we agree, and that only one man truly knows that reality.

I rather enjoyed the conversation. Was your opinion reality or speculation?

 

[barfo]

Which makes it absurd that my opinion on Allen's blame can't differ from Pritchard's words in a letter.

I didn't say they couldn't differ. I just said that one of them was wrong, since they are diametrically opposed. Or maybe both are wrong. But they certainly aren't both right.

barfo

 

[Sug]

Meltdown? barfo and I are having a philosophical discussion, and it turns out we agree, and that only one man truly knows that reality.

I rather enjoyed the conversation. Was your opinion reality or speculation?

:dancewookiee:

 

[BGrantFan]

I didn't say they couldn't differ. I just said that one of them was wrong, since they are diametrically opposed. Or maybe both are wrong. But they certainly aren't both right.

barfo

I never said I was factual or even "right". Reread the thread. Thanks for a fun and intelligent conversation, though! Time to run the dog and then watch a flick with the better half.

 

[BGrantFan]

:dancewookiee:

That's kind of meltdown-ish. You OK?

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Nice letter, but I did find it annoying that he repeatedly used the word "Portlanders" instead of Oregonians or Blazer Fans.

 

[The Sebastian Express]

Nice letter, but I did find it annoying that he repeatedly used the word "Portlanders" instead of Oregonians or Blazer Fans.

Us outside of Portland simply don't exist, friend.

 

[barfo]

I never said I was factual or even "right". Reread the thread.

You suggested so:

Differing opinions can both be true.

Thanks for a fun and intelligent conversation, though! Time to run the dog and then watch a flick with the better half.

Enjoy the movie.

barfo

 

[Minstrel]

This forum is nothing if not entertaining.

Is the reality of why KP was fired knowable with epistemological certitude? Can even Paul Allen know it, what with the difficulty humans have truly understanding even their own motivations? Even if we had perfect knowledge of neuroscience, do the quantum effects make the neurological connections that go into particular decision ultimately unknowable?

And if it is ultimately unknowable, is there a "reality" as to why KP was fired?

The answer is yes. KP was fired for no good reason. Boooo.

 

[barfo]

Nice letter, but I did find it annoying that he repeatedly used the word "Portlanders" instead of Oregonians or Blazer Fans.

Yeah, I didn't notice that (being a portlander) but I can see that it doesn't quite hit the right note.

barfo

 

[barfo]

This forum is nothing if not entertaining.

Is the reality of why KP was fired knowable with epistemological certitude? Can even Paul Allen know it, what with the difficulty humans have truly understanding even their own motivations? Even if we had perfect knowledge of neuroscience, do the quantum effects make the neurological connections that go into particular decision ultimately unknowable?

And if it is ultimately unknowable, is there a "reality" as to why KP was fired?

When you can hand the snatch from my pebble, it will be time for KP to go.

barfo

 

[superfly4201]

PA and KP both know exactly why KP was fired, and most likely for just cause. PA is not going to come out and give any reasons for the firing. He could easily come out and give a bunch of nasty details, ruin KP's future (if it hasn't been ruined already) all for what? Because everyone is demanding he justify this to us? I think he's doing KP a HUGE favor by putting this under lock and key.

 

[BGrantFan]

PA and KP both know exactly why KP was fired, and most likely for just cause. PA is not going to come out and give any reasons for the firing. He could easily come out and give a bunch of nasty details, ruin KP's future (if it hasn't been ruined already) all for what? Because everyone is demanding he justify this to us? I think he's doing KP a HUGE favor by putting this under lock and key.

The most important 2 words of any opinion regarding this mattter.

 

[Minstrel]

PA and KP both know exactly why KP was fired, and most likely for just cause.

Why is it "most likely" with just cause? Of course, that depends on who's idea of justice. I assume anything Allen does he considers just.

This unknowable reality is quite the Rorschach test for many Portland fans. What narrative a person invents to fill the holes in knowledge is greatly informed by the biases they bring to it.

I'm not being critical. I'd like to read more invented narratives. There's not a lot else to discuss right now on this forum (now that barfo has made it his mission to shoot down ideas to trade Gomes).

 

[BGrantFan]

You suggested so:

barfo

Differing opinions can be true if there is more than one reason for the reality. Plus, minus facts, opinions seem true to individuals, and even when presented with facts, many people still hold their opinion as the truth in spite of reality.

Kids are still up. No movie yet. Anybody seen From Paris with Love (no, not the sequel to One Night in Paris).

 

[barfo]

Why is it "most likely" with just cause? Of course, that depends on who's idea of "justice." I assume anything Allen does he considers just.

This unknowable reality is quite the Rorschach test for many Portland fans. What narrative a person invents to fill the holes in knowledge is greatly informed by the biases they bring to it.

I'm not being critical. I'd like to read more invented narratives. There's not a lot else to discuss right now on this forum (now that barfo has made it his mission to shoot down ideas to trade Gomes).

Hey, I want to trade Gomes. My opinion is that we should trade Gomes. It's a fact that I think we should trade Gomes. It's also a fact that it is my opinion that we aren't going to, because I can't see why Larry Miller would say we weren't going to if we in fact were going to. But I still hope to be wrong. About not trading him, I mean, not about my wanting to trade him.

barfo

 

[Minstrel]

Hey, I want to trade Gomes. My opinion is that we should trade Gomes. It's a fact that I think we should trade Gomes. It's also a fact that it is my opinion that we aren't going to, because I can't see why Larry Miller would say we weren't going to if we in fact were going to. But I still hope to be wrong. About not trading him, I mean, not about my wanting to trade him.

I hope you're wrong about you wanting to trade him. If you're right, the implications are disturbing.

 

[barfo]

Differing opinions can be true if there is more than one reason for the reality. Plus, minus facts, opinions seem true to individuals, and even when presented with facts, many people still hold their opinion as the truth in spite of reality.

That last bit is pretty objectionable, to me. Such people should be dismembered and eaten by wild pigs.

barfo

 

[BGrantFan]

Hey, I want to trade Gomes. My opinion is that we should trade Gomes. It's a fact that I think we should trade Gomes. It's also a fact that it is my opinion that we aren't going to, because I can't see why Larry Miller would say we weren't going to if we in fact were going to. But I still hope to be wrong. About not trading him, I mean, not about my wanting to trade him.

barfo

My opinion is we should waive Gomes. If he is waived, then my opinion becomes fact, and I will announce to the world that my opinion became reality. Of course, I'll never know the reality of why Gomes was actually waived, so I won't be too excited about it, because I'll realistically never know why my opinion became a fact , other than my own opinion as to why my opinion became a fact, which will then become my reality.

 

[barfo]

I hope you're wrong about you wanting to trade him. If you're right, the implications are disturbing.

I don't think I am, but if facts come out to show that what I believed about what I wanted was incorrect, then I hope I'll adjust to that and acknowledge that what I thought I wanted wasn't really what I wanted after all.

barfo

 

[Minstrel]

My opinion is we should waive Gomes. If he is waived, then my opinion becomes fact, and I will announce to the world that my opinion became reality. Of course, I'll never know the reality of why Gomes was actually waived, so I won't be too excited about it, because I'll realistically never know why my opinion became a fact , other than my own opinion as to why my opinion became a fact, which will then become my reality.

Slow down, college. We didn't all take graduate level philosophy.

 

[barfo]

Slow down, college. We didn't all take graduate level philosophy.

At least, we didn't all pass it, what with the double-secret probation and all.

barfo