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<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">One source told ESPN.com that the New York Knicks had made Minnesota an offer that included the expiring contracts of Penny Hardaway ($15.7 million) and Antonio Davis ($13.9 million). But for such a trade to work under salary cap rules, the Knicks would also have to take back Sczcerbiak. One source close to several NBA players insisted that the viability of the Knicks' offer should not be dismissed, going so far as to say Garnett was making a private push through back channels to be dealt to New York and reunite with former teammate Stephon Marbury. "I'd bet money he'll be wearing a Knicks uniform by the end of February," the source said.</div>
Wow, if this ever goes down, we'll be instant contenders. Instant. It's probably a pipe dream, though.
 
That would be huge for the Knicks if it happened, and will save Isiah's job... that's why as a Sixers fan I hope it doesn't go down.

By the way, didn't Starbury and KG have problems in Minnesota? I'm not really familiar with their relationship in Minnesota.
 
WHOA! I doubt this will ever happen but if it does I dont evev know.
 
I hate to say it, but if Minnesota wants to completely clean house, the Knicks deal makes the most sense for them.

Geographically - The TWolves send KG to an Easteran Conf. team instead of a Western Confl. team

Financially - The TWolves are a small market team to begin with. They watched their season ticket sales drop from 10,000 to 8,500 and they are not selling out games even with KG now. They will get back $25M in expiring contracts and relieve them from paying $102M in future contracts. A lot of money saved for a small market team. Minnesota can completely rebuild their team with all this financial flexibility. Plus they can use McHale as the scapegoat and unload him, too. I wouldn't be surprised to see the TWolves pursue Kiki to replace McHale, and hope he can bring Nene with him.

Wally Factor - If the TWolves are going to pull the plug KG, then Wally has to be involved in the deal. If the TWolves are going to rebuild, they also need to dump his multi-million dollar deal, and the only way to dump him is to package him with KG. Wally and his contract are going to be deal breakers for a lot of teams, and the Knicks might be the only team willing to absorb that contract. Isiah has always been fond of him, and Wally has always expressed a desire to play in New York.

NBA Approval Let's face it, the NBA overall benefits from KG being in New York. It will grab the national media's attention and bring a large market team back into the playoff picture. The ratings will sore with KG in New York because the Knicks will be sold as a title contender. KG is a great player to market as the face of the NBA, and having him in NY makes it possible.

I posted this in the rumor mill as well, not only would people jump on the Knick bandwagon, a lot of people would start watching just to tune in and hope this team fails. Either way ratings go up and the NBA becomes very popular again with the masses.
 
I hope your right about this, shape. Didn't you also predict the Q-Rich trade, too? This could be a sign!
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Wow...KG and Szczerbiak for AD and Penny???? That's a steal for the Knicks...but the problem is that Larry Brown would acquire another player who doesnt play defense...Ariza deserves more minutes, so where would Wally fit? It would be a great trade for NY but I'm not sure how all the pieces would fit into Brown's style of play...
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">I hope your right about this, shape. Didn't you also predict the Q-Rich trade, too? This could be a sign!
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As a Sixer fan, I hope not!
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But I have to admit it would be fun to watch the Knicks as I hope that they fail... even though KG is my second favorite player behind AI.
 
That would be a great trade... but I just don't see it happening.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">Wow, if this ever goes down, we'll be instant contenders. Instant. It's probably a pipe dream, though.</div>

I doubt instant contenders. Especially going up against teams like CLE, DET, MIA, IND, and NJ.

Plus KG would have to think that IMO going to NY sorta looks like his Minn days. Not enough star power other than himself.

But then again if the Knicks are going to make the playoffs they better make some damn moves.
 
To get KG I wouldn't care if you couldn't give any minutes to Wally. That kind of deal only comes around once in a lifetime.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting N4S:</div><div class="quote_post">I doubt instant contenders. Especially going up against teams like CLE, DET, MIA, IND, and NJ.

Plus KG would have to think that IMO going to NY sorta looks like his Minn days. Not enough star power other than himself.

But then again if the Knicks are going to make the playoffs they better make some damn moves.</div>
Not instant contenders? We'd have arguably the best player in the NBA on our team. Add that to us having a Hall of Fame coach. We also have a star in Marbury. With Marbury and Garnett drawing double teams, it will open things up for Wally, Richardson, and Crawford on the wing. Downlow we'll have Curry dominating the paint. What team do you know has two dominant low post threats, a potent penetration attack, and a deathly touch on the perimeter? We also give up pretty much nothing. Davis' rebounding will be replaced and then some by Garnett. The Knicks with Garnett will be talented enough to give anyone of those teams you mentioned a hard time.
 
I really don't see why they would ship Garnett, of all people, for expiring contracts. Yah, he's not happy, but I'm sure you could get a lot better then expiring contracts for KG...

Any top 3 players is worth more then that.
 
I think we'd have to part ways with channing frye in a deal like this. I cant see us getting kg for penny and davis.
 
Shoot, I'd give them Frye, Lee, Robinson, Ariza, and Butler for KG.
 
The only way I could possibly see this go down is if you guys gave up Crawford along with Penny and Davis and a pick, for KG and Wally.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting rafy:</div><div class="quote_post">The only way I could possibly see this go down is if you guys gave up Crawford along with Penny and Davis and a pick, for KG and Wally.</div>
That doesn't work financially. Besides, the whole point of the trade would be to give Minnesota some relief financially. Crawford would just add a long contract to the Wolves.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">That doesn't work financially. Besides, the whole point of the trade would be to give Minnesota some relief financially. Crawford would just add a long contract to the Wolves.</div>
It works if the TWolves send their other disaster contract over, Troy Hudson. Still the TWolves will be just as content using McCants at shooting guard for now. If I were Minny I'd rather get Ariza, Frye or Lee as part of the deal. And I doubt the Knicks would be reluctant to send those players at a chance to bring in KG.
 
This move would be great for the knicks. They get rid of 2 bums and get arguably the best player in the league. They certainly will be instant contenders. They would be better than the Pacers, Nets, 76ers etc. I wouldnt want Wally because we already have a shooter in Q and wally wouldnt fit and would barely get minutes. Maybe the knicks can unload Crawford/JJ instead. I would give up Lee and Nate but not Frye. It would be an excited time for NY. But would this hurt our cap even more?
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">Not instant contenders? We'd have arguably the best player in the NBA on our team. Add that to us having a Hall of Fame coach. We also have a star in Marbury. With Marbury and Garnett drawing double teams, it will open things up for Wally, Richardson, and Crawford on the wing. Downlow we'll have Curry dominating the paint. What team do you know has two dominant low post threats, a potent penetration attack, and a deathly touch on the perimeter? We also give up pretty much nothing. Davis' rebounding will be replaced and then some by Garnett. The Knicks with Garnett will be talented enough to give anyone of those teams you mentioned a hard time.</div>

KG is not the best player in the league anymore. Mabury is no where near a star. And if you haven't noticed. Q hasn't did crap for your city.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">That doesn't work financially. Besides, the whole point of the trade would be to give Minnesota some relief financially. Crawford would just add a long contract to the Wolves.</div>

But how does it go then? You give up KG for cap relief? I'm sure you could manage a deal of KG to someone for a really good rook + expiring contract. By good rook I mean top 5 overall.

I mean, this is crazy, he is a top 3 player in the league. It is possible to get much more talent, and still get cap relief, there just has to be a better trade out there.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting N4S:</div><div class="quote_post">KG is not the best player in the league anymore. Mabury is no where near a star. And if you haven't noticed. Q hasn't did crap for your city.</div>
That's certainly up for debate, but be that as it may, he averages 21.4/10.2/5.8 and ranks #1 in efficiency. That certainly makes KG top 5 in the league, right?

How is Marbury nowhere near a star? He's one of the best scorers at his position, averages 20 points and 8 assists virtually every season. His defense has also skyrocketed playing under Larry Brown. How is he nowhere near a star?

I know Richardson hasn't performed well so far and I didn't say he did. I said Garnett's presence will open things up for Richardson - a 40% 3-point shooter this year - on the wing. That has little to do with what I said, though. The fact of the matter is anytime you bring in a player of Garnett's caliber, it automatically increase a team's chances of contending. Talent-wise the Knicks are a low playoff seed. Adding Garnett to the mix of things for basically nothing greatly makes us contenders, especially with Brown at the helm of things.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting rafy:</div><div class="quote_post">But how does it go then? You give up KG for cap relief? I'm sure you could manage a deal of KG to someone for a really good rook + expiring contract. By good rook I mean top 5 overall.</div>
The Knicks might give them Frye, a really good rookie, with those contracts.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I mean, this is crazy, he is a top 3 player in the league. It is possible to get much more talent, and still get cap relief, there just has to be a better trade out there.</div>
You're right, but if Minnesota really wants to rebuild, this is the best trade, especially if we add Frye. I think if the Wolves trade Garnett for another star player they might as well just have kept him.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting rafy:</div><div class="quote_post">But how does it go then? You give up KG for cap relief? I'm sure you could manage a deal of KG to someone for a really good rook + expiring contract. By good rook I mean top 5 overall.</div>
The Knicks might give them Frye, a really good rookie, with those contracts.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I mean, this is crazy, he is a top 3 player in the league. It is possible to get much more talent, and still get cap relief, there just has to be a better trade out there.</div>
You're right, but if Minnesota really wants to rebuild, this is the best trade, especially if we add Frye. I think if the Wolves trade Garnett for another star player they might as well just have kept him.
 
KG's presence won't open up anything for QRich, because QRich is not a 3point shooter. He was forced to be one in Phoenix, but he's at his best inside the post backing smaller players down. He's a less athletic version of CMaggs basically.

I wouldn't just hand the word contenders to the Knicks yet. They definitely make the playoffs, but they might need a season or two develop chemistry and tinker a little more with their bench before they can compete with the elite teams in the East.

Rafy I agree, if the deal was just for KG, then it's bizarre, but if Minny can unload Wally at the same time then the New York deal has more legs to it. Right now Wally's contract prevents the TWolves from entertaining any rebuilding strategies. He's making superstar money, and at best he's a 4th option for a team.

If the TWolves plan to completely rebuild this deal makes the most sense because it saves them the most money and gives them the most financial flexibility to rebuild. Maybe they get lucky and end up with Josh McRoberts or Greg Oden in the draft. If it takes the Knicks giving up a top your rookie, they have Channing Frye available.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post"> The Knicks might give them Frye, a really good rookie, with those contracts.


You're right, but if Minnesota really wants to rebuild, this is the best trade, especially if we add Frye. I think if the Wolves trade Garnett for another star player they might as well just have kept him.</div>

Frye has a good future, but I don't think he can compare to an Okafor, or a Marvin Williams.

If they wan't to rebuild, they need either picks, or young players, of course getting cap space in the process. I just think there has to be a better deal as opposed to davis+penny+ariza or frye.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">KG's presence won't open up anything for QRich, because QRich is not a 3point shooter. He was forced to be one in Phoenix, but he's at his best inside the post backing smaller players down. He's a less athletic version of CMaggs basically.</div>
I haven't really seen Q post up very much this season. I think Brown wants him on the perimeter to make teams pay when they double up on Curry.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I wouldn't just hand the word contenders to the Knicks yet. They definitely make the playoffs, but they might need a season or two develop chemistry and tinker a little more with their bench before they can compete with the elite teams in the East.</div>
I msu say, a team with Marbury, Garnett, and Larry Brown is very intriguing. The Knicks already have a deep bench, so I don't think that'll be a major problem. Even if they aren't officially "contenders" there's no question they'll easilybe on of the top teams in the East.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting rafy:</div><div class="quote_post">Frye has a good future, but I don't think he can compare to an Okafor, or a Marvin Williams.</div>
Oh, I thought you meant a top rookie of this year's draft.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">If they wan't to rebuild, they need either picks, or young players, of course getting cap space in the process. I just think there has to be a better deal as opposed to davis+penny+ariza or frye.</div>
Financially, I don't think so. Talent-wise, of course. It's up to the Wolves, really. It depends on what they're looking for.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting rafy:</div><div class="quote_post">Frye has a good future, but I don't think he can compare to an Okafor, or a Marvin Williams.</div>
Oh, I thought you meant a top rookie of this year's draft.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">If they wan't to rebuild, they need either picks, or young players, of course getting cap space in the process. I just think there has to be a better deal as opposed to davis+penny+ariza or frye.</div>
Financially, I don't think so. Talent-wise, of course. It's up to the Wolves, really. It depends on what they're looking for.
 
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Am I the only one who feels that Isiah will mess this up? I'm not believing anything good that could happen till its official.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">I haven't really seen Q post up very much this season. I think Brown wants him on the perimeter to make teams pay when they double up on Curry.</div>

Yeah, but shape was talking about how he had success in LA. That was his game, he would punish smaller guards on the post, and I also think that that is when he is at his best.

Even if the Knicks get KG, they still have a way to go to contend with Miami, Detroit and Indiana. Obviously KG makes them a whole lot better, but I just can't see the Knicks competing with those teams right away.
 
QRich needs to slip some video footage of his days at Depaul into Larry's office or start showing how fierce he is inside the post during practice. Maybe if QRich starts playing defense, Larry will start listening.
 
That would be a great trade...
but sadly I just don't see it happening.
 
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