OT Killing Babies (Bill 669)

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SlyPokerDog said:
Honest question, did you even read the article you posted?
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Seriously. That was as close to "Center" as any fact checking agency out there? To think that they pretty much could not have gotten a better review is very telling.
 
What strikes me most about the Republican’s war on abortion, is that they want to close our borders in order to keep this country whiter and to keep the immigrants from sucking up our tax dollars. Yet the people who will be most hurt by an abortion ban will be minorities and immigrants (who are already here). So……………it seems to me that more minorities will be born in this country, “diluting” our whiteness even further, while it is highly likely that a high percentage will require tax payer funded resources as part of their future. Go figure……but then, no one (other than other Republicans) claimed that Republicans were particularly bright……..
 
ABM said:
Two states are seemingly pushing their respective agendas. I wouldn't necessarily call that "nonexistent". Conversely, Texas, Florida, and other states have and push theirs. It is what it is.
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I've seen nothing which would support a baby killing agenda for any US state.
 
Sounds like the new right wing fear mongering talking point of the day. Death Panels? Cosmic Ping Pong? Mr Potato Head? Migrant caravans? Big Bird? Vaids? The Great Reset? Adrenochrome? Evil Fauci? Transgender bathrooms? Gay Grooming? Post birth baby killing? CRT? Racist monuments? Gay frogs?

How are these working out for ya?
Are you as frightened and as worked up as they want you to be? Going to go along for the next fake social scandal?
 
Fairly-Hard said:
You must not have read that article either.
A divorce agreement is not a secrecy agreement.
That opinion piece is garbage as well.
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Read them all. Different take. Sorry.
 
ABM said:
Read them all. Different take. Sorry.
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Why would I read articles you post that you don’t read?
If you honestly knew what they said you wouldn’t post them. I don’t need to do your reading for you.
 
Fairly-Hard said:
Why would I read articles you post that you don’t read?
If you honestly knew what they said you wouldn’t post them. I don’t need to do your reading for you.
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Look, as I had mentioned earlier, Snopes isn't your be all, end all source for facts. It's a sweet little mom & pop website that has its flaws and bents. As to sly posting the particulars related on Snopes, nothing is there that provides any rebuttals to my OP. In the bill, the vagueness of term "perinatal" is pertinent and somewhat concerning.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
So Snopes is bad but a website that has this bolded in their article

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is totally legit.

Uh huh.
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When did I ever say Snopes was bad?? I said they lean left and aren't the be all, end all source for so-called facts.

OK, William F. Buckley's National Review leans right. So what? As I mentioned in an earlier post, it is what it is.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corn...-decriminalizes-neglecting-newborns-to-death/

Maryland Bill Effectively Decriminalizes Neglecting Newborns to Death
 
ABM said:
When did I ever say Snopes was bad?? I said they lean left and aren't the be all, end all source for so-called facts.

OK, William F. Buckley's National Review leans right. So what? As I mentioned in an earlier post, it is what it is.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corn...-decriminalizes-neglecting-newborns-to-death/

Maryland Bill Effectively Decriminalizes Neglecting Newborns to Death
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In my non-legal-based reading of this I'm seeing "perinatal" being conflated with "perinatal death." You have a medical definition being used instead of the legal definition.

In this latest article and the original article, both are basing horrific assumptions about the medical usage of perinatal.

The inference that you and the authors of both articles are making is that this is some sneaky way half of America is going to use to kill babies. I can't state enough just how ludicrous and insulting that is. It's a dishonest argument. And you trying to double down with slippery slope is ridiculous. A real slippery slope is not providing pregnant women with free medical care. A real slippery slope is not providing newborns with free medical care. There is no secret liberal conspiracy to kill babies.

I strongly suggest you look at more complete terms such as perinatal death and perinatal mortality to understand what the proposed law is and isn't about.
 
Snopes has debunked rumors circulating on the left. Although there is nothing on the left comparable to Trump or QAnon.

They are far from mom and pop.

No state is legalizing infanticide. Gays do not recruit children. Biden legitimately won the election. Critical race theory is taught in law school, not grade school. Trans women do not assault cis girls in public restrooms.
And no, Virginia, the Bidens and heads of media companies are not facing trial at Guantanamo Bay.
 
ABM said:
Look, as I had mentioned earlier, Snopes isn't your be all, end all source for facts. It's a sweet little mom & pop website that has its flaws and bents. As to sly posting the particulars related on Snopes, nothing is there that provides any rebuttals to my OP. In the bill, the vagueness of term "perinatal" is pertinent and somewhat concerning.
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So because Snopes has been wrong at some point and had to post a redaction and it's not perfect.

Democrats are Obsessed with Killing BABIES!

I simply cannot believe i have been drawn into this conversation?

See ya.
 
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SlyPokerDog said:
In my non-legal-based reading of this I'm seeing "perinatal" being conflated with "perinatal death." You have a medical definition being used instead of the legal definition.

In this latest article and the original article, both are basing horrific assumptions about the medical usage of perinatal.

The inference that you and the authors of both articles are making is that this is some sneaky way half of America is going to use to kill babies. I can't state enough just how ludicrous and insulting that is. It's a dishonest argument. And you trying to double down with slippery slope is ridiculous. A real slippery slope is not providing pregnant women with free medical care. A real slippery slope is not providing newborns with free medical care. There is no secret liberal conspiracy to kill babies.

I strongly suggest you look at more complete terms such as perinatal death and perinatal mortality to understand what the proposed law is and isn't about.
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Good response. In fact, you have my permission to change the title of this thread to something a bit more tame. Perhaps, include Bill 669 in the subject matter.

What I'm truly attempting to relate here is that states such as Maryland and Texas (and, perhaps, others) are seemingly rushing in to get their respective agendas signed, sealed, and delivered prior to the forthcoming SCOTUS Roe vs. Wade spectacle.

So-called personal rights are much more in play than ever before and Bill 669 will see to it that abortion rights are carried to the fullest extent possible. Who knows the outcome of that. Everything has a beginning, though. And, to me, in this day and age, it's not completely unimaginable to think that there are some who will want to have that power of control over, yes, even newborn infants, and (someday) the legal rights to do as they see fit.

Again, everything starts somewhere and I was simply point out that bills of this nature might lend towards something much worse.
 
ABM said:
Look, as I had mentioned earlier, Snopes isn't your be all, end all source for facts. It's a sweet little mom & pop website that has its flaws and bents. As to sly posting the particulars related on Snopes, nothing is there that provides any rebuttals to my OP. In the bill, the vagueness of term "perinatal" is pertinent and somewhat concerning.
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Can you provide any evidence of snopes being factually wrong?
 
It is absolutely not imaginable that someone will say infanticide is legal. ABM is just making shit up in order to justify his goal of forcing every woman and barely pubescent girl to carry every pregnancy to term under every circumstance, no matter what. Because of course he and DeathSantis and male legislators know much more about a woman's pregnancy than she does.
 
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