Knicks-Raptors Game Discusson thread

[Knicks Analyst]

I'm feeling you, Tribute I understand why you feel this way. Toronto played a great game, our defense was out of whack. Those nights happen. Every team has those nights. But maybe you need to give Toronto more credit. I think they're a pretty good team, a team that will cause some problems for us in the long run.

Arhieboy, maybe you could provide your argument with some.......support?

 

[02civic]

H20 and mrj18 - you're both sad, sad people. Your team is not as good as you say..there's not as big a difference in ability between the Knicks and Raptors and i've already proven that over and over again. I proved you're not that much better than the Wiz as well.....but you keep at it. Fluke, Fluke, Fluke. I suppose it was a fluke getting blown out by Boston your first game???
Your defence IS that bad....look at the numbers, the % people are scoring against you. now 48.5%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You've been a poor defencive team for years now and Houston aint gunna help that. He'll bump you PPG up 1-3ppg but thats it....if anything you'll get scored on more. Who cares if crawford dropped 50 on us last year...he still has no defence and he didnt drop 50 on us lastnight. You're stuck in the past man...and you're deluding yourself if you think the Knicks are SUCH A GREAT TEAM that "our offense is good enough to get by the Raptors or any playoff team like Toronto in a 7 or game series"

You clearly have NO IDEA what you're talking about. You're glorious offence only scores 94 ppg. 2 points LESS than your opponents. And if you DID, know anything you would be understanding that teams with average offence dont go anywhere unless they pick up the slack defensively!!! Defence is huge in the playoffs...and you guys couldnt check a highschool team.

H20 - that bets retarded....you actaully honestly believe the Raps are incapable of winning vs the Knicks...despite kicking your asss lastnight!! The bench didnt do anything they havent been doing all year long. The guys you've never heard of dropping jump shots...they've been doing it all year long. and might i add that we did this with Donyell INJURED. Great that you like Sweetney...but dude aint as good as Bosh and thats obviousl. I'll see you Sunday

 

[og15]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting mrj18:</div><div class="quote_post">The Knicks defense is not as bad as you're making it sound. Their defense is not as bad as the Mavericks. And despite not having the best defensive perimeter presence our offense is good enough to get by the Raptors or any playoff team like Toronto in a 7 or game series. Although Bosh might be quick and taller he still is extremely skinny for the PF position and Michael Sweetney will kill him in the post. Sweetney knows how to utilize his weight and it didn't show because he played 6 minutes yeasterday. If Sweetney had played sufficient minutes it is very likely Bosh would be in some kind of foul trouble. Knicks like Crawford were just missing shots that they usually make. When Allan Houston comes back it will be much different. The offense would have been much better. Houston is arguably a top 5 shooter in the league. He managed to put up good shooting numbers while playing hurt. Houston's floor spreading will only give Mohammed more room to do damage inside. Yesterday's game was a combination of nothing falling for NYK, bad defense, and luck for the Raptors. When bench players that I never heard of were making some tough mid range shots I knew it was just a good game for Toronto.</div>
Which Mavericks team are you reffering to, last years or this years? The Mavericks defense is much improved from last year, it's not even close to being the same as the previously were.

Bosh went to the line 10 times yesterday, he's still skinny, but bigger than last year, and as much as Sweetney would kill him on offense he would kill Sweetney on offense too and also get the Knicks bigs in foul trouble.

Unheard of bench players making tough mid-range shots? Who was that? I know you've heard of Morris Peterson and Lammond Murray, and they didn't even make "tough" shots, just normal jumpers.

Milt Palacio made one tough mid-range jumper, and 2 jumpers that were given to him, and everything else were layups and free throws. Ask Washington and the Clippers what happens when you play Milt for the shot

Matt Bonner is a shooter, if you haven't heard of him, you're not the first team to be surprised, he takes good shots, and he's shooting 59% on the season, and mostly on jumpers. Everyone better start getting used to it, he's been a big surprise for us and one of our best bench players. It wasn't a fluke when he scored 14 againts the Sonics on 7-9 shooting or 10 against the Nuggets on 5-9 shooting and it definately wasn't against you guys either. Go look at his numbers before you consider him some guy that never makes shots lol.

So I don't know where the luck factor comes into play, Jalen, Bosh and Rafer all didn't shoot too well, and Bosh missed his free throws, but Marbury played horrible defense on Carter, he wasn't even putting a hand up at times. Crawford also played bad defense. The Wizards with Larry Hughes and Arenas were playing better D on him and Hughes was pressuring him, and he was making shots, what then would you expect when you watch him shoot like it's a pracitce.

You're missing Allan Houston, guess what, we're missing Donyell Marshall who averaged 17 and 10 for us last year, and draws big men to the perimeter because of his outside shooting, it happens.

Also with Crawford, he scored 50 with Jalen Rose guarding him, I won't bore you with the significance of that, but just remember it lol, and if he normally hit those shots they he must be one big fluke all together.



<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Tribute to H20:</div><div class="quote_post">The Raptors blasted the Knicks last night. But it was a FLUKE!!!Yes I said it!!! A fluke. And I will say this, the Knicks are going to beat the Raptors this weekend. No doubt in my mind about it. I'm willing to go as far to say the Raptors will not win another game in the regular season against the Knicks. Yes I said that too. Every single shot the Raptors threw up went in. It was like the hoop was as "wide as the ocean". But that wont happen again at least not against the Knicks. The Raptors just had one of those nights is all. A combination of bad shot selection, bad coaching(Raptor fans know what I'm talking about), and the zone defense that the Raptors applied accounted for the terrible shooting for the Knicks. But the Raptors arent winning against the Knicks for the rest of the season. I guarantee it. I could be underrating the Raptors but I'm certain their not winning another game against the Knicks until the post season(if they make it that far) and it'll still be only one game the Raptors will win. You all can quote me on this. Houston's return wont help the perimeter defense any but it'll stop all the bad shots and selfish plays and bring some stability back to our offense which is what were relying on now to win games. The Knicks will win the Atlantic and at the very least make it to the second round. Mark my words. Anyone disagree with me and I'll tell them why their wrong.</div>
About all our shots going in, read my reply to mrj18, weak perimeter defense will let that happen, and I hope you don't say that players that never made shots before started making them garbage

I don't know how Houston coming back will stop Jamal Crawford from jacking, but sure I guess so.

The Raptors not winning another game against the Knicks, common, it could happen, but not in the sense that the Knicks are better than us, but just depending on how you play.

Also the Raptors playing zone defense is also an excuse, that's a pretty weak excuse, yea H20 would spread the floor, but you're not the only team that get's injuries to important players.

I'd like to see us not win against the Knicks for the rest of the year, and also the Knicks are now guranteed to make it to the second round, interesting...

 

[Mr. J]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Knicks Analyst:</div><div class="quote_post">OK guys. One more post considering a bet made in this thread, and I will lock it. There is a high risk of a little war that may come out so lets, try to keep risk at a minimum.

If you want to place a bet, we have a very nice option on this board, it's called Private Messaging.

Now back to discussing the game, no more bets or wars.</div>
My fault. I should have never said that. I was just getting a bit frusturated with people not giving the Knicks enough credit. My bad

 

[Knicks Analyst]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting mrj18:</div><div class="quote_post">My fault. I should have never said that. I was just getting a bit frusturated with people not giving the Knicks enough credit. My bad</div>
It's actually not your fault. He probed you, me, Tribute To H20, BobbyEscobar, PrimeTime, Yming637, Tha Knick, and TNG Impact (all Knicks fans) to respond in a negative fashion. It was his fault, he probed you.
Next time, just ignore him, people like him aren't worth your time.

 

[og15]

Not giving you credit? You're the ones saying us beating you was a fluke like you're the Jordan Bulls or something.

 

[Knicks Analyst]

og15- The Knicks do not get enough credit from the league, that's a fact. And we all hear it all the time, and it grows on us and becomes annoying. And after a tough loss to a team that we, Knicks fans, feel isn't at our level yet we are all vulnerable to lose our tempers. We shouldn't have used the word 'fluke', it didn't come out properly.

We apologize if me made your team to feel inferior and we hope this doesn't happen in the future.

Now there is a little excitement to the Knicks-Raptors games, good job guys.

*One more post with a negative tone directed towards another poster and this thread will be locked.

 

[Mr. J]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">Not giving you credit? You're the ones saying us beating you was a fluke like you're the Jordan Bulls or something.</div>

When the Knick players were missing all of those open shots and the Raptors making all of those contested ones proves it's a fluke. We will see how good your Raptors are on Saturday when they play in a rematch.

 

[02civic]

I'm not sure if i agree with you Knicks Analyst. You're entitled to your opinions of course. but it seems as though Knicks games are always being nationally televised, and sports beat writers were predicing they'd win the Atlantic and seed 3rd in the East. Now i dont see how thats not enough credit. The play of the team last year and certainly this year do not coincide with the belief they are underrated. Almost everyone picks them to be in the playoffs....between 3-7....but as i've said before..and proven at lenght, there are some quality teams that are a good match for the Knicks that too many Knicks fans view as being inferior. Toronto for example, as well as Washington. It becomes annoying for us...as fans of other teams, to constantly have Knicks fans coming to forums with this superiority complex like the game has already been played and won by the Knicks...and when they DONT win, its brushed off like it was a "never suppose to happen, one in a million game". And it happens over and over and over. No other team does that, not the spurs, not the heat, not even Detroit.
Now if this is lock worthy, than i apoligize. I'm certainly not arguing or being negetive towards anybody...just stating that people should be more conciderate and understand as well that no team is a sure thing, and ANY team can beat ANYONE on any given night.

 

[02civic]

mrj18 - new your shot 41% from the field in the Toronto game...as opposed to 43% on the year. While its lower than the average...its not THAT much lower. The raps were on fire for sure. But you have to please realize that the shots the Raptors were talking...ALOT OF THEM....could not be classified as contested. A guy running at you from 8 feet away is not contesting...neither is a man standing in front of you with his hands in his pockets. Neither are the dunks and layups that seemed to occur with ease.

i look forward to the rematch. it'll be a good game for two closely matched teams. I also look foward to future games...i have feeling sunday might not go well for the Knicks, and i'm predicting we take the season series by 1 or 2 games.

 

[Mr. J]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 02civic:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm not sure if i agree with you Knicks Analyst. You're entitled to your opinions of course. but it seems as though Knicks games are always being nationally televised, and sports beat writers were predicing they'd win the Atlantic and seed 3rd in the East. Now i dont see how thats not enough credit. The play of the team last year and certainly this year do not coincide with the belief they are underrated. Almost everyone picks them to be in the playoffs....between 3-7....but as i've said before..and proven at lenght, there are some quality teams that are a good match for the Knicks that too many Knicks fans view as being inferior. Toronto for example, as well as Washington. It becomes annoying for us...as fans of other teams, to constantly have Knicks fans coming to forums with this superiority complex like the game has already been played and won by the Knicks...and when they DONT win, its brushed off like it was a "never suppose to happen, one in a million game". And it happens over and over and over. No other team does that, not the spurs, not the heat, not even Detroit.
Now if this is lock worthy, than i apoligize. I'm certainly not arguing or being negetive towards anybody...just stating that people should be more conciderate and understand as well that no team is a sure thing, and ANY team can beat ANYONE on any given night.</div>


I don't understand what you mean. The Knicks and the Raptors only played one game this year. So what do you mean it happens over and over again? The Knicks shots were ice cold while Toronto was on fire. What can you do if you're shots just are'nt falling? The Raptors also shoot 44.1% from the field which is only .5% higher than the Knicks that doesn't say much about the Raptors either.

 

[Karma]

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">
When the Knick players were missing all of those open shots and the Raptors making all of those contested ones proves it's a fluke. We will see how good your Raptors are on Saturday when they play in a rematch
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How can you classify that as a "fluke"?
It's like you're saying that all the shots the Raptors threw up weren't supposed to go in, they just went in by luck. And that's just false.
Knicks misssing open shots= Their faults.
Raptors making contested shots= skills.
You don't make the NBA based on abolsutely no shooting range. And Milt is a horrible shooter but he only got 2 or so shots as Og15 stated so I don't know who exactly you're reffering to as having 'flukey shots'. Almost everyone else on our team aside from Loren Woods is a average to above average shooter.

No, we will see how good your Knicks are on saturday. It's not the Raptors confidence that has been somewhat crushed. I expect a good matchup but I'm not gonna go out on a limb and gurantee a victory like you Knicks fans were doing prior to yesterdays game.
Hey, it's an NBA game, anything can happen, but if the Knicks blow out the Raptors, I won't degrade the winning team to the point where I call the entire effort and win a "fluke".

 

[Knicks Analyst]

All this talk of flukes and stuff-it's really not going anywhere. This discussion is dead.

The Knicks fans and Raps fans disagree, we argued, they argued. No one's mind was changed, some unnecessary words were typed. This type of argument doesn't result to anything but childish name calling or mocking the other's team.

Let's not forget, we're all NBA Analysts in our own respects and there is no need to force-feed an idea or opinion to a fellow analyst.
This thread has no where to go but down.

Call the game a fluke, call the Knicks performance cruddy, it doesn't matter. The Raptor beat the New York Knicks, that's all there is to say after the argument is over.

This thread can't possible be revived with a lighter spirit so I will lock it. I hope this type of arguement and misuse of words doesn't happen again.